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Captain class frigate

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I've listed this article for peer review because I want to seek suggestions for improvements, so all constructive criticism and suggestions are welcome. I'd like to one day get this article to FA status however at the moment my immediate goal is to get the article to a point where it would pass a GA review.

Thanks, Thefrood (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, first of all, it needs some copyediting. I'm working on copyediting another article right now, but will try to get to this one after that. In the meantime, you may wish to click on the "automated tips" link in the sidebar - it found a couple of things, including possible problems with the links from uboat.net (I don't think they're actually dead links, despite what it says, but they may no longer be pointing at the right place). Allens (talk | contribs) 11:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

The uboat.net links are working fine, they just don't like bots. I've used uboat.net instead of a bibliographical reference because Guðmundur Helgason and the rest of the uboat.net crew try very hard to keep on top of the latest research published in books and journals, revising positions as and when wrecks are located.

A good copy edit would also be appreciated, thank you --Thefrood ^talk 19:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Some things found while copyediting:

• What happened to the returned vessels? Were they all scrapped, or were some preserved?

The fates are listed on List of Captain class frigates, There are no preserved Captain class I know of, with a few exceptions all were scrapped - Affleck was converted to a cargo carrier and Balfour was acquired by the State of New York for use as a training ship by New York Maritime Academy (DANFS can used to reference both of those if you think I should add some detail to the article) --Thefrood ^talk 13:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

At the minimum, I'd put some info on this into the infobox. Allens (talk | contribs) 12:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

• Was the draft actually 9 feet for both subclasses? The Buckley article indicates 11 feet.

fixed --Thefrood ^talk 21:02, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Any info on armour? How about decks?

Added info on thickness of steel plate used to early history and No. of decks to infobox. --Thefrood ^talk 19:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

• In the infobox, instead of (Evarts/Buckley) after differing measurements, how about Evarts: or Buckley: before them? (That way, there aren't cases of ") (", which at least to me look rather odd.)

IIRC another user exprimented with that a while back, if memory serves me right it also looked very odd --Thefrood ^talk 14:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, well... Allens (talk | contribs) 12:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

• I've noted the two ship's boats; more info is needed on the US Navy-supplied one.
• Early History: "superfiring position ("B")" - what's the B?

a gun mounted so it fires over the "B" gun position - I've altered the text a little bit to try and make things clearer --Thefrood ^talk 16:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Early History: How about the time required to produce one - compared with a fleet destroyer?

Given Halsted as an example (24.5 days) --Thefrood ^talk 21:36, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Early History: "graceful shear to deck-line from the forecastle to midship" - did the Admiralty-designed ships lack this or did the Captain-class frigates?

The Captain-class were considered more "graceful" - "graceful shear" and "rakish" are the words the referenced text uses. Thefrood ^talk

I've tried to make this clearer; please correct if I've misunderstood. Allens (talk | contribs) 17:07, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

That works for me --Thefrood ^talk 13:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Early History: Use of welds instead of rivets - any practical difference made by this?

I've added some details on how this reduced production costs --Thefrood ^talk 19:16, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Sea-keeping equipment: Were the "lifesaving rafts" actually "liferafts" or "lifeboats", as per the definition in the liferaft article?

The wikipedia article seems skewed towards modern concepts`when defining a liferaft, suffice to say they were considered rafts by the Navy - a lightweight solid buoyant outer ring with a thin flat flexible base (deck?), I think anyone who has viewed old war movies that show similar rafts in the water would have no trouble describing these as liferafts (as opposed to lifeboats) --Thefrood ^talk 15:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

See Carley float --Thefrood ^talk 16:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Gunnery: What other extra guns were Coastal Forces control frigates fitted with, besides the bowchasers?
• Gunnery: Was it actually only on some ships that either a gun shield or a "spray and blast" shield was fitted? And, again, what's the B gun? And why would more rocket flare projectors be fitted to it when it had a spray and blast shield?

Altered text with regards to location of "B gun" to reflect discussion on Milhist talk page - trying to find a reference --Thefrood ^talk 17:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I've no idea on the criteria for deciding if "gun shield" or "spray and blast shield" should be fitted (but given the wartime condition it could be as simple as what was available from stores), as to the extra "rocket flare projectors" when a "spray and blast shield" was fitted as I read it the implication was that the "spray and blast shield" took up less space and the extra "rocket flare projectors" were fitted to take advantage of this freed up space - this is however reading "between the lines" of the referenced text so I can't really include it in the article. --Thefrood ^talk 17:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Gunnery: "the addition of a two-tier director which improved visibility and gave better protection to the equipment" - this is not the purpose of the "director" linked to.

From the linked article "On ships the director control towers for the main battery are placed high on the superstructure, where they have the best view", the linked article has a poor intro. Thefrood ^talk

I've tried to make it clearer that this is talking about the tower giving better visibility, etc, not the "director" itself, from what I understand; please correct if I've misunderstood. Allens (talk | contribs) 17:07, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

That works for me --Thefrood ^talk 13:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Navigation and communications: "fighting" lights?

I've no idea what these are, they are listed in the referenced article but no explanation is offered. I've asked over in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history to see if anyone can offer enlightenment --Thefrood ^talk 14:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

If the referenced explanation given over at "talk:WikiProject Military history" is correct it seem that "fighting lights" belongs in gunnery, I'm giving a little time for more replies before making the move (there is also some discussion of "B gun" over there) --Thefrood ^talk 15:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at http://www.admirals.org.uk/records/adm/adm239/adm239-261_SectVIII.php section 442 "RECOGNITION BETWEEN THE BATTLEFLEET AND ITS SCREEN" --Thefrood ^talk 20:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I've expanded the text to try and explain the purpose of fighting lights and what they are --Thefrood ^talk 23:06, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

• Ships companies: "Hostilities Only"?

I'd assumed that this phase was self describing but during the war the military was composed of regular career military and those who had either volunteered or been called up for the war. This latter group were "Hostilities Only" - I have nothing that references the exact terms of a H.O. enlistment but if memory serves me I seem to remember reading it was something like the duration plus six months - as this does seem to cause confusion I've changed the wording to emphasize the lack of previous military or seafaring experience. Thefrood ^talk

Addition copyedited; I've also changed the header to "Ships' companies". (Is there some British/naval usage of "Ships companies", without the apostrophe, that I'm not aware of?) Allens (talk | contribs) 17:07, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that was just my poor use of my native language. --Thefrood ^talk 13:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Allens (talk | contribs) 00:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Heh! Everyone goofs sometimes... Allens (talk | contribs) 12:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I've just got back from 5 days of mud at a music festival so sorry for the delay answering - give me a day to unpack and recover and I'll start trying to work through your list. --Thefrood ^talk 21:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Understand fully! Allens (talk | contribs) 22:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)