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Donald Brashear

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I've listed this article for peer review because I want to make this a GA and I'm not sure about some thing.

1. I'm not sure if the intro is long enough and if not any suggestion on how to expand it.

2. The section subheadings, I used a very vague early career, mid-career, and later career and not sure if they should be changed. Common hockey articles have "team (years)" as the heading but since Brashear was such a journey man the sections would be too small to justify their own sections. I could make them "team-team (years)" but i want to keep some dividers in place since the article is long.

3. I had someone look at it for grammar so it shouldn't too bad but another pair of eyes can't hurt.

4. The awards section is a common thing on hockey articles but there is only one award and it is mention in the prose, I am wondering if I should just scarp it entirely.

Plus anything else thanks, Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Jappalang

• There is significant information about Brashear's past that is from his website, thus lacking detachment from the events. Is there a biography or third-party source about these events?

  The only source I found I used but it didn't talk much about his life after he moved to Canada. I used the info from his website because I felt it met the stipulations set forth on the BLP page:

  1. it is not unduly self-serving;
  2. it does not involve claims about third parties;
  3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
  4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
  5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

  In what way is "Brashear moved in with his mother and his new stepfather in Lorretteville, Quebec. He suffered further abuse in his new surroundings," not making claims about third parties? When abuse is discussed, someone (a third party) surely becomes the abuser. Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot that I had used it as a reference there. I used it in that instance because it specifically stated further abuse where as the Washington Post article implies it. I have removed it from that statement, and all other uses should fall under the above list.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• He just became good enough for the professional league at the age of 22? What was his formative period (the time of his childhood and teens when he forms his skills)?

  It was very difficult to find information from his youth. I could turn his junior stats into prose that would make up a couple of sentences.

  Please avoid doing that. We need information on how he became the man he is in his later years, not words that describe numbers. Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree. As an undrafted player he was most likely not a stand out and there probably wasn't much coverage of him during his junior career. Any that did exist have proven elusive.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• US's 12th place finish needs a cite.

  Currently looking for a cite. Referenced.

• What else did he do besides hockey and fighting? Does he have any ideals or goals? Does he affiliate himself with certain organizations?

  Added a bit about a construction company he started in 2007. I'll try and find more but personal information has been very difficult to find.

  That might become an obstacle to higher level of assessments as GA asks for "broad" coverage while FA asks for "comprehensive". Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• "... protect his teammates if an opponent is deemed to be crossing a line."

  Figuratively or literally "crossing a line"?

  Changed to taking liberties to clarify.

  Umm... as far as I know "taking liberties with <someone>" in common speak implies sexual molest... As far as I can tell, that is not what we should be expecting here. Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Reword in hopes of clarifying.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• "He could create energy for his team ..."

  I doubt human beings can become electrical generators; look to the word "inspire".

  "Energy" is a common expression in hockey. Certain players or lines are labeled as "energy players" or "energy lines", so as of right now I put energy in quotes. Due to the previous reasons and since the reference uses the word energy when talking about what Brashear can bring to the team.

  Write for the common person, not hockey fans. This is akin to the advice given to those who write about video games. Ice hockey is not so technical a game that it cannot be made accessible to everyone (Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable). Even in quotes, creating "energy" still is a question. Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I changed it around a bit and took your advice to use "inspire" to remove jargon. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• "... if he wasn't so feared."

  Contractions (xxxn't, xxx've) should be avoided.

  I put it in quotes since it was taken from the THN article, but could change was not or something similar.

  My apologies for that example; the issue is with "... to start a fight with him and didn't mean to hit his head. McSorley was found guilty but wasn't sent to jail", which are not quotes. Jappalang (talk) 01:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing those out I still have trouble now and then with using contractions. I have rewrote the two in question and took a quick look for others. Outside of the THN quote I don't think that there are any others.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• Why is The Hockey News not italicized on second mention?

  I just forgot to do it while I was writing and didn't notice later.

  Fixed

• "... from their mother, Gabrielle Desgagne his common-law wife, ..."

  There should be a comma after "Desgagne".

  Fixed

• Please see User:Tony1/Noun plus -ing on issues with such constructs.

Perhaps a copy-edit is in order. The more worrisome item the sourcing of a major portion of his early life to his own website. I agree that the Awards section should be removed. Jappalang (talk)

I also removed the Transactions section since it was redundant as well.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I have taken care of some of the things above, but still need to address a couple of things. Thanks--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 21:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)