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Gulfton, Houston

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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to see this become a featured article; it is already listed as a good article, but I think this can become something even greater.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Very briefly, here are some suggestions for improvement.

• Places in the United States are almost always named "Place, State" (see Houston, Texas for example). Why is this not named Gulfton, Houston, Texas?
• The lead needs to be expanded to 2 or 3 paragraphs. The lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way. Please see WP:LEAD
• The lead sentence makes it sound like there are only low rent apartment compleexes there, but the article makes it clear there are schools, libraries, businesses, etc there too.
• Despite the maps, I am not clear where the borders are or where this is relative to the rest of Metro Houston - could there be a locator map
• References should be in numerical order, so fix things like HPL Express facilities are library facilities located in existing buildings.[120][40]
• Internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
• Seems like there are too many pictures of schools and several sections that have no pictures at all.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

• • Thanks for the feedback! Here are a few things I thought of:
  • 1. This is not an independent city, nor is it an unincorporated area. This is a neighborhood of Houston. This was named "Gulfton, Houston, Texas" but a user moved all Houston neighborhoods to "X, Houston"
    • I think the names should be changed back. I also think the lead needs to make clearer that this is a neighborhood - just reread the lead and neighborhood does not appear in it. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • If you want the names changed back, please start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Houston and we will be happy to hear your rationale. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
  • 2. I will correct the reference orders.
  • 3. Regarding the borders, Susan Rogers gave a definition of the "boundaries" of Gulfton - So I could modify the image and add the boundary according to Rogers's map.
    • COuld the borders be overlaid on the maps? Could a map of Houston with a red dot showing Gulfton be made? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I could see if I could find a map of Houston showing the municipal boundaries and put a dot of a different color on it. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
  • 4. Some of these references, even though they are on the internet, originate in published works (i.e. newspapers, TV channel websites), so I did not include access date in many of them. I tend to only include access date on things which do not have dates attached to them per se. If you want I could simply generate new access dates for newspaper articles, etc. Also some of the internet refs I found have no author, per se. I only attach authors if I know an exact authorship.
    • If something is available on the internet and then is changed / moves / disappears, having the access date helps to locate the version you accessed for this. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:22, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Usually news publications stay the same. Although URLs do change, the web publications themselves often stay the same (but are in a different area) - however access dates can help in that respect. I also love web.archive.org as I can use that to access prior materials that vanished. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:03, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)