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My Happiness (song)

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I've listed this article for peer review because…it's been a GA for a while, and I'd like to get it featured at some stage.

Specific things; prose, article layout (is it clear? does it flow?) and ensuring all the sources are OK.

Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 11:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Article seems pretty well written and sourced to me. I would ask User:Ealdgyth to check the refs / sources. Here are my suggestions for improvment, most fairly nit-picky:

• Per WP:LEAD the lead should probably be three paragraphs long. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way.
  • Note to self; still needs work. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• A model article is useful for ideas and examples on structure, refs, style, etc. There are a large number of singles that are FA at Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Music that may be useful models
• I am not Australian and had to click the links to see what the ARIA Awards and APRA Awards and the Triple J Hottest 100, 2000 were. Can the article provide more context to the reader - WP:PCR?
  • I've tried to make it a bit more clear, tell me if this helps. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• This is a fragment Sain journalist Christie Eliszer, describing the song as one of numerous "acoustic strumalongs" on the album.[2] either use "described" or there is a phrase missing at the end.
  • Reworded and moved. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Problem sentence He also noted later that the song was about time spent on the road, touring, and the distance from loved ones;[6] the purpostedly "depressing" nature of "My Happiness" and its fellow Odyssey Number Five track "These Days" saw Fanning dubbed "Mr Miserable" by music journalist Peter Holmes of The Sun-Herald.[7] has a typo "purpostedly", it says "later" but the article never gives a time frame for the earlier quotes, I am not sure how well the two parts go together (either side of the semicolon - does the Fanning information in the first part really lead into the journalist reaction in the second part?), and finally the last part is a bit awkward, perhaps something more like the purportedly "depressing" nature of "My Happiness" and its fellow Odyssey Number Five track "These Days" led music journalist Peter Holmes of The Sun-Herald to dub Fanning "Mr Miserable".[7] would work better?
  • You can tell I haven't copyedited this yet. :) Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Touring and promotion" section is all US and a little Europe, what about Australia?
  • Still working on this. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Is the girl in the skirt at the end of the video the same as the girl on the train at the start? Plot of the video seems a bit detailed. Any critical reception on the video?
  • Note to self; watch video. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• More context needed perhaps At the time of the single's release, [the band's previous album] Internationalist ...
  • Done as suggested, thanks. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Could be clearer - The single featured "My Kind of Scene" as a B-side; the song had already received strong airplay .. "the song" is a bit vague, how about something like The single B-side featured "My Kind of Scene", which had already received strong airplay ...
  • You rock; done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• SInce the article is about the single, should it be Furthermore, "My Happiness" topped the Triple J Hottest 100 in 2000,[32] and [the video] appeared on the DVD release in the same year.[33]?
  • It appeared on the CD, not DVD...fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Awkward verb - perhaps "expressed surprise" Adams also remarked surprise that "My Kind of Scene" was only released ...?
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Problem sentence - missing word(?) and second part of the sentence does not follow for me at least The Newcastle Herald's Chad Watson agreed, describing a mixture of acoustic and electric [sound? guitar?] and "a restrained yet warmly infectious chorus".[35] The first phrase on he agreed seems to refer to surprise at the B side not being a single on its own, so how does the second part follow?
  • Guitar, and removed agreement. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Since it is made clear early on what album this is from, does every mention of it have to spell out Odyssey Number Five? What about just using "the album"?
  • I'll be sure to minimise this. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Please use my examples as just that - these are not an exhaustive list and if one example is given, please check to make sure there are not other occurrences of the same problem.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much, it was really helpful. I'll try and do more PR work than I currently do. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Efe comments Some sections are jumbled. Need rework. The article is not comprehensive. Here are some comments below.

• Just a question regarding the phrase "The single was Powderfinger's most successful to date". The single peaked at number four which means that non of the many singles released by the band did not reach number four or higher position?
  • Yep, #4 is the highest they've gone. See Powderfinger discography. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• If this is the first single to appear on a US chart, just write "…and charting on a US chart—the first Powderfinger song to do so. If not, put something that will identify Hot Modern Rock Tracks. Like, "…making it the first Powderfinger song to appear on a US chart…" or something like that so that non-familiar with the subject would know why is the first song to do so or why it’s important.
  • Did something. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• …which he said "is" about…
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Touring with Coldplay is more significant. What about Late Night with David Letterman?
  • The Letterman show had 50 million viewers and they were the 4th Aussie band on it, ever... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Give context to readers, especially those who do not know what Late Night with David Letterman is. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Who is Coldplay by the way?
  • Lol seriously? Fixed... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I know. Hehe. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Vocal effort?
  • Now vocals. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Why are award titles quoted?
  • Precedent on my articles, I guess. Any issues with it? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Link the entire Triple J Hottest 100 and 2000 to Triple J Hottest 100, 2000.
  • No, Triple J Hottest 100 goes to the article about the event in general. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Both paras in the lead are incoherent. There should be some in the second that is much related to the first one.
  • Will work on it. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Background, writing, and recording" is not the proper title for the first section. Its like all about lyrics and interpretation. There is a mentioned writing thing but its not much definitive to title it partly writing and there was even no recording. Im afraid the article is not yet comprehensive.
  • Not sure how to retitle it; I will work on adding more. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• The criticism thing. What are those specifically? Why did Haug had to explain what the song basically is?
  • Added. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• …like "Waiting for the Sun", "is" about…
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Fanning said "My Happiness" "is" "about love…
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Fanning said "My Happiness" was "about love and the pinning feeling you experience when you spend time away from the one you love", noting the influence of gospel and soul on his work, stating "I listen to a lot of soul music that's unashamedly about love and how good it makes you feel" and noting that love was "much more important than anything else to me"." Is very long and needs to be chopped.
  • Better? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Who are James Taylor and Neil Young? They should be identified.
  • They're wlinked and identified as influences. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Give context to readers. What if they dont have links? --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• He also noted later that the song "is" about time…
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• purpostedly  purportedly?
  • Typo, see above. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I actually fixed it myself. I forgot to remove this one. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• …and its fellow Odyssey Number Five track "These Days" saw Fanning dubbed "Mr Miserable" by music journalist… saw here is an awkward choice of word.
  • Reworded, see above. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Spell out 2 in "…2 months prior…"
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Needs a full stop after "…to its United States release…"
• Causality: was the song considered a success after a considerable heavy airplay that led to signing contract with Republic?
  • Not sure what's being asked? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• …to appear on a Billboard magazine chart…
  • I think the wlink is done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Again, add identification to Coldplay.
  • Done before. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "in a row in London thanks in part to the success of the single" That "thanks in part" sounds not encyclopedic.
  • I think it's OK...any suggested rewordings? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• The "touring and promotion" section is incoherent.
• The first para of the section "music video" needs clean-up.
• Powderfinger's guitarist Ian Haug is redundant. Haug only; already identified above.
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Is it possible to upload a screenshot of the slinky?
  • Will try. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Link Chris Applebaum and possible others if existing.
  • No links. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Internationalist needs to be linked.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Same with ARIA Albums Chart.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• use a comma after "and on a Kerrang! compilation"
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Put dash between "highest charting".
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Where Queensland is?
  • Australian state...the wlink covers it, I hope. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Reword #7 to number seven and same through with #23 to number 23.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• There is an inconsistency in using United States, US and USA.
  • Fixed, I hope. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Furthermore, "My Happiness" was Powderfinger's first single to chart in the USA, reaching #23 on the Modern Rock Tracks chart." is already mentioned in the second section but that part needs much rework.
  • Note to self; work on this. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Needs dash between "most played".
  • I don't think so... :S dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• What is the relevance of this two non-free audio files? The captions are just mere reviews and its inclusion, especially to what section it belongs, is not justifiable.
  • First is the song, second is the much praised B-side...will work on captions. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I believe it will be criticized in FAC. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
      • It is an intense process. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• riff needs linking.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• "The band were described as following in the footsteps of Crowded House." Who said this?
  • Same guy as last sentence...is it unclear? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Add he or she so that we well know that this opinion is his. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Aah, OK, done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• The whole critical reception needs rework. Like the others, its jumbled.
  • Trust me, I know. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Music video must be put after the reception; sections need re-arrangement.
  • Really? I thought it goes like that... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Remove those charts.
  • Gone. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• Use en dash in the track listings.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
• References are not well-formatted. For instance, incomplete dates like September 2000 should not be linked (like ref 1, 2, and 3). Please go over with the references and format them accordingly.

That's all for now. I'll re-read the article after some suggestions are addressed or objected accordingly. Im not a good copyeditor so another fresh eye(s) would be better. --Efe (talk) 03:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome DM. --Efe (talk) 03:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Drewcifer's comments Looks pretty good! I have some minor suggestions, but nothing too earth-shattering. Otherwise, I'd say this bad boy's close to being ready for FAC. My suggestions are in no particular order, just they order in which I noticed stuff.

• "The single was Powderfinger's most successful to date, peaking at number four in Australia," there's something awkward about that sentence, and I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it's the "was": weird tense with the rest of the sentence, or something like that, I'm not really sure. It just flows oddly to me. Any way you could reword it? Something like "The single proved to be..."
  • Comment prove sounds POVic. --Efe (talk) 07:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I've reworded somewhat. Is it any better? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
      • • "The single is Powderfinger's most successful to date" I think is fine. --Efe (talk) 09:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Powderfinger lead singer Bernard Fanning wrote "My Happiness", which he said was about love and loneliness—it followed in a melancholy mood that could be found on much of Odyssey Number Five." Kind of an awkward passive tone here.
  • Reworded. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• I think the em-dash is a wee bit overused. You could definitely get rid of the second one ("...about love and loneliness—it followed...") and the third ("...as a result of the song's success[10]—Beat journalist..."). The latter could probably be worded better as two separate sentences.
  • But I like it so much! :) Workin' on it, and done as suggested. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• I think ARIA Awards should be ARIA Music Awards, per the article title.
  • Sounds ORish, but I've never heard anyone in Australia include "music" in the title. That includes all the TV networks (IIRC), newspapers, and the like. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Not really sure how people refer to it, but I'm just going off the article title. Perhaps it's the award's article that needs renaming? Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "...and topped the Triple J Hottest 100, 2000." is a little awkward because of the weird name of the chart. That's not your fault, but maybe you could lessen the blow a bit by putting the word "chart" in there somewhere.
  • Good idea & done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "As most of Fanning's songs were written as emotional responses to situations..." I'm not sure this should be in the past tense. They guy is still alive and writing songs, right?
  • Yep, fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Fanning said "My Happiness" was "about love and the pinning feeling you experience when you spend time away from the one you love", noting the influence of gospel and soul on his work, stating "I listen to a lot of soul music that's unashamedly about love and how good it makes you feel" and noting that love was "much more important than anything else to me"." is a very long, somewhat confusing sentence.
  • This was chopped somewhere in the above comments. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Alot of the "Background, writing, and recording" section doesn't actually have anything to do with the background, writing, or recording, it's just various people opinion's about the song, what the song sounds like, and how Fanning feels about it in retrospect.
  • I know. :) Working on it. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Upon release, "My Happiness" peaked at number 23..." seems a little redundant to say "Upon release". Can a song peak without being released?
  • I'm sure it's happened, but yeah, done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Incidentally, it was reported that Australians were "starting to get sick of My Happiness", one of the reasons the band decided to focus overseas." I don't think "Incidentally" is the right word here.
  • It probably reads differently to what I was trying to write. How is it now? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Better. Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• The first paragraph of the "Music video" section goes into a bit too much of a plot-based synopsis, I feel. Also, what the heck does "busking" mean?
  • Busking. Will work on that section when I get around to watching the video again. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• I'm not sure it's necessary to wikilink "single" in the "Release and commercial success" section.
  • No harm in linking it once IMO. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "At the time of the single's release, Internationalist..." What the heck is Internationalist? It's not mentioned, explained, or wikilinked anywhere else in the article (except the Powderfinger template at the bottom, but that's totally cheating).
  • I think it is now (done after your review) (cheating is fun). dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• ARIA should be spelled out the first time it's mentioned (in the "Release and commercial success".
  • Done in the lead; is it necessary here too? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd say once is fine. Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "...and on a Kerrang! compilation; Kerrang!2 The Album." not a good use of a semi-colon.
  • Yep, fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Furthermore, "My Happiness" was Powderfinger's first single to chart in the USA..." The "Furthermore" seems unnecessary here.
  • Fixed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• "which he rated one and a half stars" out of how many? 2? 5?
  • 5. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Not sure why the audio samples are in the Critical reception section.
  • There was a fair bit of reception to "My Kind of Scene"...I'm thinking of moving the "My Happiness" sample up and leaving them split. Thoughts? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• In a related note to the above, the article is sorely missing a "Music"-type section. Like I mentioned above, alot of this type of info is already in the background section (which doesn't fit well in that section), so this might just be an issue of rearranging stuff you've already got. The audio samples would definitely be better suited there then in the Critical reception section.
  • Good idea. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Not sure why the years are bolded in the Awards table. Also, consider wikilinking the years (to ARIA Music Awards of 2001 for example).
  • Done and done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Per WP:Album, the dashes in the track listing section should en-dashes.
  • Done. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• A personnel section would be nice.
  • Facepalm; forgot that. Will do. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• As would an external links section.
  • What to put into that, though? dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I dunno, if nothing else a link to their official site will suffice. Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• The presence of Billboard in the in-line citations are a bit random. Some say Billboard, some say billboard.com. Some are italicized, some aren't. If it's the website it shouldn't be ital, if it's the magazine it should. Choose one and stick with it.
  • Now consistent. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• mvdbase.com is not a reliable source.
  • Bummer, looking for something else. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• All Music Guide is now called Allmusic.
  • Yeah, but I'm old fashioned. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I know, it's been tough for me too... Drewcifer (talk) 11:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hope this comments have helped. Let me know if you have any concerns with my suggestions or if there's anything else I can do to help. Drewcifer (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

• PS. I complete disagree with Efe's suggestion to remove the charts. Plenty of FA articles have such info, but more importantly, it presents facts that are better done in a table rather then prose. Drewcifer (talk)
  • Comment I disagree. One chart only contains three entries. Usually, charts are used when there are a lot of entries that it can facilitate easier and smooth browsing than a prose. --Efe (talk) 09:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)