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I've listed this article for peer review because I think it is a thorough and complete article that is ready for a peer review and I would like the opinion of a good contributor on how to improve it.

Thanks, Deoliveirafan (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Bradley0110

This is great article that has had substantial work done to it over the last couple of months. It draws on a number of high-quality sources and a number of bad ones too.

General
Lead
Early life and stage career
  • The first sentence should begin with Dolen's full name, as the body of the article is separate from the lead. Filmreference.com is not a reliable source so should be replaced.
Film career
1943-49
1949
  • "Kelly, Sinatra and Munshin play three sailors on a 24-hour shore leave in New York City whose romantic ambitions get they more than they bargained for." Get them more than they bargained for?
  • "Like Orson Welles, Donen made his film debut at the age of 25." What is the significance of the Welles comparison?
    • Well, its a notable young age to make one's film debut. This admittedly was my contribution, and is certainly true. For me it is noteworthy due to the age being considered a benchmark for many young filmmakers. Also, praise for Welles often makes a point to point out his age when he made Citizen Kane. I could live without this I suppose, but will leave it for now.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 04:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Never gratuitous or amateurish[...]" Is this Wakeman's opinion? If so, it should be signposted as such, as it seems like a personal commentary.
1952
1970-2003
Legacy
Relationship with Gene Kelly
  • I don't have access to the sources myself, but the writing style in the Donen/Kelly/Coyne paragraph makes me worry that it is a big block of synthesis. For example, "Blair's autobiography makes no mention of an affair between Kelly and Coyne or of any romantic attachments to or from Donen. However she does state that Donen's marriage to Coyne was unhappy[127] and that Donen was very close to Kelly and herself.[128]" has an element of "It doesn't say X, but it does say Y, so that means Z." about it.
    • Hmm, to be honest I was mostly trying to be fair and show both sides. The basic premise is that their relationship went sour partly because they were both married to the same woman, and the rest is meant to be supporting material. I don't believe that any difinitive explaination of the Donen/Kelly/Coyle relationship could exist since all personalities involved are strong and a bit proud. Will do what I can to improve this though.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
References
  • The main sources (Silverman, Casper and Wakeman) appear sound, however much use has been made of unreliable sources. Apart from the aforementioned filmreference.com, use is made of genekellyfans.com (the original article that is cut and pasted to the blog can easily be referenced instead), IMDb.com (which has unverified user-contributed content) and Yahoo Movies (again, user-contributed). Additionally, web references are just listed as bare URLs; they need the page title, publisher, publication and access date as a minimum.

Bradley0110 (talk) 00:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Yea, what references could I use for his sons work in the film industry. For instance, his youngest son has no notable film experience aside for being a PA on one film, so I doubt I will find a source for this other than in list form like those already used. Certainly there must be some way to use the actual credits of a film as a reliable source. Otherwise, will deal with the web sources.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the review. Since requesting the review I've decided to work on the Legacy section some more as well. But hopefully it will be better soon.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 04:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]