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January 14

ICE Detainers

How does ICE know when to issue an ICE detainer for someone when they are arrested? The reason I ask is because I had someone arrested for a misdemeanor who I know is an illegal alien, I live in probably the second most conservative/Republican area of Florida (behind the panhandle), and the person was released with no ICE detainer that I am aware of, and I'm curious why one wasn't issued, or why the Charlotte County Sheriff would ignore the ICE detainer if one was issued. 76.123.85.189 (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

If they look particularly Hispanic enough, and if the local cops are particularly racist, then ICE will get called following an unrelated arrest. Otherwise, there's not much else reason.--Jayron32 05:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

This PDF [1] appears to be a current ICE policy (it was issued in 2017 and is linked to from this ICE Page[2]) and outlines the requirements before a detainer may be issued. Notably, probable cause is required before a detainer may be issued, pag 4 outlines the ways this can be established. It's specifically noted that evidence a person being born outside the US and the 'absence of records in available databases'" which it calls '"foreign-born-no match"' is not sufficient for probable cause. The policy is probably at least in part influenced by these court cases [3] (most of which date from the previous administration). This PDF outlines steps taken to investigate any potential claims of US citizenship although it's partially redacted and from 2015 although linked in the earlier page so it may be current [4]. I didn't find any other specific policy guidance on how to investigate immigration status if the requirements for probable cause have not been met. Note that even if a detainer is issued per [5] (which says it may be outdated) and this form [6] and the guidance for the form [7] which the ICE page linked near the beginning suggests is current, people should only be detained for an additional 48 hours before they have to be released. (I.E. ICE has 48 hours to take over custody.) The FAQ suggests weekends and holidays are excluded although this is mentioned in the form. Of course as Jayron32 has already indicated, ICE will need to become aware the person has been arrested before they can begin to establish probable cause (if necessary) or otherwise issue a detainer. Nil Einne (talk) 14:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Should clarify that they ask for notification as soon as possible about plans to release the person from custody so with a extremely compliant law enforcement agency and assuming the LEA actually knows, ICE should have more than 48 hours to get their act together. Nil Einne (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

For anybody else who has no idea what this is about, see What are ICE detainers?. Alansplodge (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Cellphone holsters

Back in the 1990s and early 2000s how popular and widespread was the trend of wearing cellphone holsters on belts? In my area at the time it was a kind of nouveau riche and businessman look. Brandmeister^talk 10:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• As I recall, most cell phones of that era were sold with holsters, and most could not fit in your pocket, so it was more of a necessity than a fashion statement. As the phones got smaller, the inclusion of the holster with a new phone was retained due to marketing inertia, but eventually died out. -Arch dude (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

And now that my phone is again big enough to be inconvenient in a pocket, where's my belt attachment?! —Tamfang (talk) 07:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Have any real leaders of anything significant been known to laugh maniacally?

Maybe a crime lord or some Caligula-type ruler? The article (evil laughter) doesn't say.

2. What's the closest thing to "but it can't be, I'M INVINCIBLE!!" a leader of anything significant has said while being vinced? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• You really can't stop yourself, can you?--Jayron32 02:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Do you mean... →

2606:A000:4C0C:E200:1D4C:29E3:6313:60B3 (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• It doesn't really answer your question, but I am considering laughing maniacally as I go to WP:AN to propose that you be topic-banned from the reference desk due to an ongoing pattern of posting whatever pops into your head here. I will probably skip the laughing maniacally thing, though.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Do the rules prohibit people asking about whatever random subject pops in to their head? "Does this common fictional trope have any real precedents?" doesn't strike me as unreasonable in principle. Iapetus (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Rules apparently don't figure into it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

In answer to the second question, the best I can come up with is John Sedgwick's "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance". DuncanHill (talk) 21:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

A man who laughs out loud leaves nothing to hide, and has no reason to, presuming something's funny. Hell, even Santa Claus does it. It's the weird, canned and completely inappropriate smile that betrays the sinister side. That's not to say everyone who appears to have red-eyed rats gnawing their brain is a televised villain; they could be nervous simply for the bright lights and big stage. Also not to say everyone who starts two of the deadliest, longest and costliest invasions most Earthlings have known is necessarily criminal, evil or maniacal; they might just be absolutely fucking INVINCIBLE. (Also maybe just stupid.) InedibleHulk (talk) 21:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

TV tropes has a "real life" section ins his evil laugh article.link here--Pacostein (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)