Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Schiller Institute

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Schiller Institute

The filing party (the editor who opened this request) will add the basic details for this dispute below.

Editors involved in this dispute

1. Serialjoepsycho (talk · contribs) – filing party
2. Joe Bodacious (talk · contribs)
3. Binksternet (talk · contribs)
4. Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs)
5. Waalkes (talk · contribs)

Articles affected by this dispute

1. Schiller Institute (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Other attempts at resolving this dispute that you have attempted

• Talk:Schiller_Institute#.22Allegations_of_antisemitism.22.3F
• Talk:Schiller_Institute#Request_for_comment_on_.22Allegations_of_antisemitism.22_section
• Talk:Schiller_Institute#Three_repetitive_sections_on_Jeremiah_Duggan.2C_all_with_same_sources.3F
• Talk:Schiller_Institute#.22Speculation.22_tag

Issues to be mediated

What is this dispute about? What sections, sentences, or issues in the article(s) can you not agree on? If you are the editor who opened this request, list these issues to be mediated under "Primary issues". If you did not open this request, you can add additional issues to be mediated under "Additional issues". The issues to be mediated would be properly agreed upon later, if this request for mediation is accepted.

Primary issues (added by the filing party)

1. This is an NPOV issue. Does criticism section (other than Death of Kenneth Kronberg) as is create a POV issue or does removing those sections cause a POV issue.
2. It is more complicated than that but I do not want to misrepresent the other positions there and I would rather allow everyone else to come forward with their positions. The page is locked for edit war and I think an uninvolved mediator could help.

Additional issues (added by other parties)

• Should we accept references discussing in general the practices of the various Lyndon LaRouche organizations, one of which is the Schiller Institute, if the reference does not name the Schiller Institute? Binksternet (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• Since the Schiller Institute is controversial due to its association with a living person, Lyndon LaRouche, to what extent does WP:BLP or WP:BLPGROUP apply? Joe Bodacious (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• What should be the standard for sourcing of allegations made by the institute's political opponents? In a recent discussion[1] of whether Robert Kagan should be said to be "regarded as a neoconservative", someone suggested this as a standard. Joe Bodacious (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• The criticism section, both the "Jeremiah Duggan" and the "Kenneth Kronberg" sections, is devoted to insinuations that the Schiller Institute was somehow criminally involved in the deaths of two individuals. However, since both deaths were officially ruled to be suicides and there are no criminal investigations of the institute or anyone else, let alone convictions, is it proper for an encyclopedia to offer a platform to such insinuations? See WP:BLPCRIME. Joe Bodacious (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
• Three tags have been added to the article without either an explanation or a proposed text for improvement being offered on the talk page. This too should be addressed. Joe Bodacious (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• Does the use of the article to promote the theories that someone connected to the Schiller Institute somehow caused the suicides of Duggan and Kronberg violate Wikipedia:PROFRINGE? Waalkes (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Parties' agreement to mediation

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1. Agree. Serialjoepsycho (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
2. Agree. Joe Bodacious (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
3. Agree. Waalkes (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
4. Agree. Binksternet (talk) 04:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
5. Agree. Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Decision of the Mediation Committee

This section should only be edited by a mediator. The Mediation Committee's representative will indicate in due course whether the request is accepted (meaning a mediator will be assigned) or rejected (meaning you will have to try a different type of dispute resolution). If the mediator asks you a question in this section, you may edit here.

• Accept. Mediator to be assigned. For the Mediation Committee Sunray (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
• Assigning self. Hello there! I'm Tristessa de St Ange (talk · contribs), your friendly neighbourhood mediator. Please bear with me while I read up on all of the detail of this case; I will be in contact shortly. --Tristessa (talk) 14:49, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Welcome to the party! Thanks for offering to mediate the dispute here. Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you, Binksternet! It's a pleasure to offer all of you some help with this. I can't, of course, promise any miracle cures or strokes of genius, as the article editing diaspora surrounding the LaRouche topics is extremely intricate and contentious, but I can at least provide a friendly voice to hopefully get some consensus organised between all of you based on the above. You will have to bear with me whilst I read all of the discussions and related articles, since there is certainly plenty of homework for me to do on this before I get started. I will have some preliminary comments for you within the next 24 hours or so. Onwards and upwards! --Tristessa (talk) 16:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Great stuff. TDSA would you be able to move the "Mediator notes" section to the talk page and then continue on from there? Sunray (talk) 21:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• *slaps forehead* Of course — MedCab habits die hard! I just forgot. --Tristessa (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

• Apologies for the delay. I'm still reading the discussions — I hope you'll bear with me, there are rather a lot of them! Thank you for your patience. --Tristessa (talk) 00:16, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
• Ready to proceed. I've finished "casing the joint", as it were, having read all of the discussions carefully. (My, that was a job!) Mediation will start shortly at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Schiller Institute. --Tristessa (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.