Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll/Part2

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Part II: Individual state conventions

For each state. Again you must have 100 edits to vote. Note if you live in the state and/or have a good amount of knowledge about the state's highways.

Each convention needs to follow the principle passed in Part I: [State Name] [Road Term] XX. The only allowed exemptions are Kansas and Michigan per this discussion. Any others will be subject to removal.

If your state has already discussed this issue and it agrees with the passed principle, you can link to the discussion and be exempted from the process (unless a few people object). However, you MUST be able to point to a specific discussion with a clear consensus.

Discussion can go with the votes this time but use bold to make clear what is a vote and what is discussion.

Any part of the convention in <> will, if adopted, be either removed or moved to disambiguating parentheses when linked in the text of an article in partnership with Wikipedia:Guide to writing about U.S. state highways.

Baja California (Example)

Convention 1

• Support. Because... BCman
  • But why? BCdude

Convention 2

• Support. Because... Oh yeah I live here. BCman2

Part II Voting

Voting ended 23:59, Tuesday, September 12 2006 (UTC).
The current time is 23:13, Sunday, June 30, 2024 (UTC).

Alabama

<Alabama> State Route X

Common and official name.

Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 22:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Alaska

<Alaska> X Highway

User Stratosphere is correct below, all routes named with a proper noun in Alaska are <name> highway. DOT has to designate a number, so they do, but there is no pattern or reason to what number is assigned. A number does not corrilate to a specific named highway, and a named highway can have more than one number. And no one in Alaska uses the numbers to refer to highway segments (most residents probably can't tell you the highway number of specific roads). List_of_Alaska_Routes does a faily good job of explaining this with charts and tables. My suggestion for naming would be "Alaska Glenn Highway", or "Alaska Parks Highway", and even "Alaska Highway". You can of course not take my suggestion and wikilink anyway you'd like - I've only lived here all my life - but residents from Alaska will not have any idea why the article/wikilink is called "Highway X" or "State Route X", and anyone researching Alaska better hope they don't plan a trip using highway numbers or they'll get lost fast. —akghetto ^talk 06:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)See below —akghetto ^talk 18:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that insight. That's pretty much what I suspected, so since it's common use to call a highway by it's proper noun, rather than number, I think they should be named as such.-- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 06:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, in case people are wondering, I'm assuming the "X" in this case stands for the proper noun to be used, rather than the number, which I'm sure is what AKGhetto was conveying in his message above...I just don't want people to think this is a vote for something like Alaska 10 Highway. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 06:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support per AKGhetto. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 06:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC) Stricken, see below -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose. Named highways shouldn't be considered part of this debate, and the Alaska should be left off. We're not considering changing it to New York Taconic State Parkway. (See also below.) -- NORTH ^talk 08:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

<Alaska> State Route X

From what I can gather, all routes named with a proper noun are <name> highway (i.e. Denali Highway), but in DOT files like this one they reference routes as State Route X. I'm going to see if anyone has any other input before I actually support this one. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support. --Shortfuse 02:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

X Highway for named highways, <Alaska> State Route X for numbered routes

Stratosphere and AKGhetto are both correct in their description of the situation. A quick look at Category:Alaska state highways shows that most of the articles on highways in Alaska are titled according to the highway name; however there is one exception (Alaska Route 10) where two highways share the same number, and I feel there is potential for more articles on the numbered routes as well as the named highways. Thus, I feel that <Alaska> State Route X would be an appropriate convention for the numbered routes, and that simply X Highway (without the <Alaska>) would be appropriate for the named highways. Including the word Alaska would be equivalent to renaming Taconic State Parkway to New York Taconic State Parkway, and is unnecessary.

• Support. -- NORTH ^talk 07:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. This was basically my intention -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. This is a good compromise. --myselfalso 15:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support, with redirects being created for the numbered routes that have articles under a highway name. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support - This idea is basically what I was trying to get at. Yes, I think "Alaska Glenn Hwy" is reduntant, but I thought that was my only option seeing how all the other states were titled. I also strong think the above idea by TwinsMetsFan should especially be considered, in that routes where the number does refer to just one named highway, a redirect be added. In situations where a numbered route shares more than one named highway, an semi-disambugation page should be created similiar to the existing Alaska Route 10 and a "See Also" section with wikilinks to the individual named highways. —akghetto ^talk 18:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support, with the same reasons that TwinsMetsFan listed. • master_son^{Lets talk} 14:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above and "State Route" prevents abiguity with the Alaska Highway and the Alaska Marine Highway System. --TinMan 16:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Arizona

<Arizona> State Route X

Common and official name.

• Support. per [1] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. --Shortfuse 02:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Arkansas

<Arkansas> State Highway X

Common and official name.

• Support per [2] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

<Arkansas> Highway X

Common and official name

• Support per [3]. I also live there. US 71 01:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per User:US 71. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Colorado

<Colorado> State Highway X

Common and official name.

• Support per [4] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Startosphere. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Connecticut

<Connecticut> Route X

Common and official name.

• Support per [5] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 17:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Startosphere. --myselfalso 20:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support - the only acceptable P1-style name --Polaron | Talk 23:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

There probably won't be more than a handful of "secret route" articles (since most of them are not really notable) but what do people propose to name these? --Polaron | Talk 15:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

From what little I know on the subject (mostly research from kurumi.com), they hold the same status as regular state routes (the numbers don't overlap, the only real difference is whether they're signed or unsigned), so they should be titled the same. -- NORTH ^talk 23:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Officially 4xx are Special Service Road X and 5xx-9xx are State Road X. As these are never signed except erroneously, and thus rarely referred to by either ConnDOT or the public, they're probably better placed at their local name if it exists. Otherwise <Connecticut> Special Service Road X and <Connecticut> State Road X seem best. --SPUI (T - C) 03:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse (please set up redirects to make the secret routes work out as SPUI discusses) ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

   note also that CT is at P2, if someone turns up and volunteers to convert the whole state's articles to P1, it gets converted. ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

4. Endorse --CBD 10:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Delaware

<Delaware> State Route X

Common and official name.

Per [6] and, more specifically, [7] the DelDOT lists them as "DE RT XX" are we sure the official name isn't Delaware Route X? Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 17:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

actually, now I see all the Delaware related articles, while located at State Route X (Delaware), the bolded term at the start of all the articles is Deleware Route X so...Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 17:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Delaware Route X

• Support Per above statement by me. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 17:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The angle brackets indicate that the state name won't be used in the term in article text (unless disambiguation is necessary). If DelDOT and the general public use this term (I'm pretty sure the general public uses it, since Marylanders use a similar convention) then the state name should be included in the bolded title, therefore, no angle brackets (Delaware Route X, not <Delaware> Route X). It's a minor formality, but I'm sure you intended the no-angle-brackets version. Also, the bolded titles are the way they are because that was the convention for Delaware before the mass renamings and edit wars.-Jeff ^(talk) 02:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

yep, you're right I did. Good catch. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 02:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem, In that case I support.-Jeff ^(talk) 02:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support per above. -Jeff ^(talk) 02:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. Jonathunder 15:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• This is by far not a common name. Route 1, probably the most important road in Delaware, gets no Google News matches for "Delaware Route 1" but a large number for Delaware "Route 1". Also compare DelDOT matches: [8][9]. --SPUI (T - C) 03:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Stratosphere. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Stratosphere. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 22:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Stratosphere. Its geographic location in relation to Maryland and Pennsylvania makes it highly likely that the state name is part of the common name. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

<Delaware> Route X

This is by far the common name. See [10], [11] and [12]. --SPUI (T - C) 04:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support - official usage (deldot.net, state.de.us, delaware.gov) shows "Route X"/"Rte X"/"Rt X" is much more common than "Delaware Route X" and its abbreviations. --Polaron | Talk 23:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Florida

<Florida> State Road X

Common and official name.

• Support per any page on this Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 17:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. --Holderca1 19:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. --TinMan 16:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Georgia

<Georgia> State Route X

Common and official name.

• Support Yep. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 18:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support from me as well. –Pedriana (talk) 00:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Shortfuse 02:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii

Hawai'i State Highway x

Using the official name of the state.

• I don't like the ' since noone will realize that that is there. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii State Highway x

No apostrophe. Current convention, but that's not what List of Hawaii state highways uses.

<Hawaii> Route X

Common and official name. --SPUI (T - C) 23:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support. per SPUI and [13] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 15:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per the official citation. FCYTravis 04:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above and SPUI. --TinMan 16:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 19:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii Highway X

• Support per Hawaii website. See [14] where it clearly says "state highway." --myselfalso 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • It says "state highway". Not "Hawaii Highway". --SPUI (T - C) 02:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Idaho

<Idaho> State Highway X

Common and official name.

• Support per [15] Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 15:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Stratosphere. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Illinois

Illinois Route X

• Illinois Route X. Common and accepted abbreviations for the purposes of referencing elsewhere in the article: IL(L)(.) (RT(E)(.)) X, ILL-X, Illinois X. Route X is acceptable if it cannot be confused with another nearby U.S. or Interstate highway, which is unlikely at this time. Neither newspapers nor advertisements have a good track record (actually, they have a horrible track record) of telling apart U.S. and Illinois Routes, much less from Interstates. —Rob (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support On [16] when referring to state highways, DOT lists them as Illinois Route XX with the exception of their generated maps, which lists it as state highway, but I was unable to verify if their GIS data is in-house or contracted, in which case, if it's from a third party, might be erronously labelled as highway. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 22:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. — Homefryes ^Say•_Do 10:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 22:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. --• master_son^{Lets talk} 15:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Indiana

<Indiana> State Road X

Common and official name.

• Support Sounds good to me. This fits with the current naming convention. Go for it. MrHarman 23:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support --Holderca1 19:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 22:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above and to have another state with "State Road" (other one is Florida). --TinMan 16:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Iowa

Iowa State Highway xx

Current convention.

Support Fits P1 convention decided previously. All roads are named using this method master_son^{Lets talk} stricken by self per SPUI/Stratosphere comments--master_son^{Lets talk} 17:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Support: I believe this is common usage locally. It is what we southern Minnesotans call the highways that continue under the same number across the Iowa line, as many do. Jonathunder 14:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Changed vote for sake of consensus, see below. Jonathunder 16:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Support per above comments Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 22:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Stricken by myself, per SPUIs findings below. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 01:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not a common or official name. --SPUI (T - C) 23:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

<Iowa> Highway X

Looks to be the common name.[17][18] "Iowa X" is used more by the DOT, but is probably too ambiguous. --SPUI (T - C) 23:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The first reference you provide, they're all postal addresses and probably omit "Iowa" out of redundancy. Some of the other links referenced are news stories, and one of those reference "highway 6" when they really mean U.S. 6 since there is no IA-6. As far as documents on the DOT site, it looks like Iowa XX is more common as you said, but Iowa Highway XX is also used. I'd support this principle, but I'm not sure about the brackets around Iowa. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 01:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

support per Stratosphere and SPUI's comments I thought about adding as it fit more but wasn't sure I could --master_son^{Lets talk} 17:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Support Probably is better. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Iowa Highway X

• Support. I feel that the state name should be included. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. If "Iowa X" is used by the DOT, then we should include the state name in the naming convention, along with the term "highway" to eliminate the ambiguity. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per TMF. -- NORTH ^talk 03:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per TMF. --TinMan 16:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per TMF. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 21:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support (changed vote): I'll go along with the above, even though we neighbors to the north are more likely to use the first option. This is fairly close to that. Jonathunder 16:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 02:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky

Kentucky Route X

Common name, fits P1 and P2. Official name seems to always be KY X.

• Support Probably the best, C2 is too vague, C3 is too long. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Rschen7754 Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC) vote recanted by self, for now -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 23:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support - per Rschen. FCYTravis 04:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note that you are agreeing that "C2" was once 'KY X' and "C3" was once 'Kentucky State Primary/Secondary/Supplemental Road X'. To remove further confusion (after I had made the comments below under former C2 and C3, I struck out Rschen7754's comment to prevent further confusion. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support common name,[19] not original research.[20] --SPUI (T - C) 03:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Didn't we run into this issue before, where you cannot accurately make a comparison based on Google searches? That is trying to say who is more popular: Bush or Kerry based on the amount of hits Google has. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I have given evidence that Kentucky Route X is a more common name. You have not done the same on your end. --SPUI (T - C) 04:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional support per SPUI, unless someone provides a citation showing that "State Route" is a common term. -- NORTH ^talk 03:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Conditional support per NORTH. --TinMan 16:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Kentucky State Route X

• Support To imply that it is a state route. Fits under Principle I. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Please see Wikipedia:No original research. --SPUI (T - C) 23:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • This has nothing to do with "original research" but more of a difference between Kentucky route and Kentucky stste route. The latter implies that it is a state maintained highway much more than the former in my opinion. Of course, you are allowed to make up your own opinion. Keep your discussions or rants in the relevant discussions part of this page as this is used for voting only. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 14:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Nah, you can comment in this section too, per the guidelines at the top. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support Current convention, etc. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

KY X

Shorthand falls under KY X, per SPRS listings.

Sorry, this was meant to be discussion only for what it would be referred to inside the body of the text. The title would be whatever is agreed upon, and I was only making a discussion on if it should be referred to as primary/secondary/supplemental within the body. Please strike this from the voting.

Kentucky State Primary/Secondary/Supplemental Road X

Official deignation, per SPRS listings. They are too classified to be used in offical titles, but would be excellent as a reference. (e.g. Kentucky State Highway 10 is a primary route...)

They use "State Primary Route" and "State Primary Road System" but never "State Primary Route X" or "State Primary Road X". It's "State Primary KY X" that they use. --SPUI (T - C) 06:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you clearified that. They do classify the roads as Kentucky State Primary/Secondary/Supplemental Road. For simplicity purposes, it should be kept as Kentucky State Highway X or Kentucky State Route X, with a reference to its type in the description. Also see [Ref. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 16:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, this was meant to be discussion only for what it would be referred to inside the body of the text. The title would be whatever is agreed upon, and I was only making a discussion on if it should be referred to as primary/secondary/supplemental within the body. Please strike this from the voting.

Louisiana

Louisiana Highway X

Common and official name, fits P1 and P2.

• Support per nom. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Maine

• Comment - any evidence supporting any of these three names is appreciated. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

<Maine> State Route X

One official name.

• Support per MDOT documentation. Kirjtc2 14:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support as no documentation is here, and this seems to me to be the best option for those who, like me, are almost completely unfamiliar with Maine. Nyttend 23:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

<Maine> Route X

Another official name.

• Support - much more common than "State Route X" and "Maine Route X". --Polaron | Talk 23:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Maine Route X

• Support. State name included. --myselfalso 15:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Massachusetts

<Massachusetts> Route X

Common and official name.

• Support Route X is official name, this conforms properly to P1. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support I live in MA presently, and have lived here since August 2002, and also lived here from June 2000 to May 2001. I have worked here continuously since June 2000, even while I lived in NH. I've lived in Boston as well as in various suburban towns. It is the common and offical name, and agrees with P1. --Tckma 19:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 02:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 22:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems to have consensus. --CBD 10:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

<Massachusetts> State Route X

• Support. Sounds formal and complete and more like a proper encyclopaedia article title. I live in Boston.
  Kether83 09:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Mississippi

Mississippi Highway X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

• Support if there's no opposition, since it doesn't look nice to have no votes on the question at all :-) Nyttend 23:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Missouri

<Missouri> Route X

Common and official name.

Support, this is used by MoDOT in official documents and signs. —Scott5114↗ 16:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Support per MoDOT website [21] and personal observation (I live in an adjoining state) US 71 00:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Montana

Montana Highway X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

• Support if there's no opposition, since it doesn't look nice to have no votes on the question at all :-) Nyttend 23:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Nebraska

Nebraska Highway X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

• Support if there's no opposition, since it doesn't look nice to have no votes on the question at all :-) Nyttend 23:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Nevada

<Nevada> State Route X

Common and official name.

• Support It's common (do a Google search). It's official (at NDOT: [22]). Route is preferred term from my travels to Nevada. --TinMan 17:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

New Hampshire

New Hampshire Route X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

• Support I lived in Nashua from May 2001 through August 2002. This is the common and official name, and fits P1. --Tckma 19:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey

Before WP:NJSH came into full force, the agreed upon convention has been Route XX (New Jersey) which has been in place for several months. As far as I know, all New Jersey state highway articles exist and are in this format. There is also a 500 series of county routes that cross county boundaries, which use the convention County Route 5XX (New Jersey), of which most exist and all use this format. Much less developed are county-specific routes, which are in the format County Route XXX (Foo County, New Jersey), though little progress has been made on this front. Alansohn 02:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This does not follow the new Principle I. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It can be changed, that's not a problem. We'll help. --TinMan 05:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to the compromise, you don't even need to fix pipe-tricked links. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

But how would this affect the county route articles? 5XX routes cross county lines, and thus cannot be titled something like Monmouth County Route 527, but New Jersey County Route 527 makes no sense. Logically, these should stay at their current title, which should technically be allowed since this is a state route naming conventions poll. Yet then we have inconsistency between the county routes and the state routes, since the state routes have to follow Principle I. -- NORTH ^talk 05:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

This poll should have no bearing on the naming of articles regarding county routes, if only for the name of this poll (as emphasized above by Northenglish.) --TMF ^{T - C} 19:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

<New Jersey> Route xx

Converting current convention to P1. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support, although I dislike the inconsistency this causes with county routes. -- NORTH ^talk 05:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support. --myselfalso 15:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. New Jersey is no exception when it comes to conforming to P1. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per TMF and is the only one that keeps "Route xx" as the common name that many NJ people seem to like. It is a compromise. --TinMan 16:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse (note that if someone turns up and volunteers to convert NJ's P2 usage to P1, it gets converted) ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

New Mexico

<New Mexico> State Road X

I can't find the common or official name, but State Road was used on the earliest route shields and is still one of several names used.

Stuff from here shows them using NM XX and NM State Road X[23] -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 03:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

New York

New York State Route X

Common and official name, fits P1 and P2.

Support per nom. Am a life-long resident of New York State. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Support per nom. Traveled to and through New York on many occasions. --myselfalso 15:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Support. I lived the first 18 years of my life on Long Island, and the next four in Ithaca. While not the official name of the road, NYS is used commonly by DMV to disambiguate from NYC, and the common name is "Route X." --Tckma 19:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Support. I have lived my whole life in New York as well. —Mets501 (talk) 02:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 12:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

North Carolina

"NC x" is the most common format, but it does not comply with Principle 1 and has been debated as being too vague. No consensus was reached at WT:NCSH prior to this poll on the article title. There was a consensus, however, on having "NC x" for links and body text.

Convention 1: North Carolina Highway x

This is the unabbreviated form of what is found on some road signs in the state. It is sometimes used by the former NCRoads website.

• Support- NC could mean other things. Simple and unabiguous. --MPD01605 (T / C) 02:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support- After much consideration, this is going to be my first and best choice. It does not have vague abbreviations, is found on many road signs (in abbreviated form), is shorter, is simple, avoids neologism, and is commonly used in my opinion. For credibility reasons: founder of WP:NCSH and resident of North Carolina. --TinMan 05:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. I dislike using abbreviations in the article title in this case (as opposed to US highways) for resons given on WT:NCSH. -- NORTH ^talk 23:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. Not ambiguous, but brief. Nimur 15:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. The reason that I oppose abbreviations in the article title in this case as opposed to U.S. routes is that U.S. is an internationally used abbreviation for "United States" where NC (or some variant) is not widely known to be an abbreviation that instantly corresponds to North Carolina. This title conforms to P1 and eliminates all ambiguity. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. Jonathunder 05:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Convention 2: North Carolina State Highway x

This is a disambiguated form of "State Highway x" for North Carolina. It is the current convetion and is often used by website like state-ends.com and NCRoads Annex, neither of which is a reliable source for these purposes.

Convention 3: [State abbreviation] Highway x

This is an abbreviated form of convention 1 and is in more common use. We use abbreviations for U.S. Routes; I believe doing it here is both more common and consistent with principle I. --SPUI (T - C) 19:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

• I suppose we're stuck with the periods? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll make that a seperate convention for now. --TinMan 00:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know - is no periods more common? We're "stuck" with periods for U.S. Routes, but I've never seen complaints there. --SPUI (T - C) 04:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The only point of contention I can see with this one (as well as the one below) is that not everyone's gonna know what N.C. stands for; remember, this is for a global audience. —IW4^U_T^C 05:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Not everyone knows what HMS means in HMS Enterprise. --SPUI (T - C) 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Good point, but I don't think NC is more globaly understood as HMS. That's very debatable though. It should be considered. --TinMan 05:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I've seen it both ways before on the signs, but I see "N.C. Highway x" more, but that could just be because I'm in a certain area. Heck, I was driving through Apex one day and saw signs that say "US 64 Highway", which I thought were odd. It really doesn't make a difference. U.S. and US and U. S. are the same thing. If you're trying to find the best way to use the common "NC x" format, then Convention 4 would be your choice. If we combine Convention 3 and 4 for now, and together if they win in the end, then we can debate which abbreviation to use. --TinMan 05:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

N.C. Highway x

Periods in abbrevation with no space.

NC Highway x

No periods in abbreviation.

N. C. Highway x

Periods in abbreviation with a space.

North Dakota

North Dakota Highway X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

I believe "North Dakota Highway X" is just fine, it's been mentioned before on ND talk pages and it's the position I've supported. --AlexWCovington (talk) 06:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ohio

If anyone feels that there should be other conventions on the table in accordance with Principle I (such as "Ohio Highway X" or "Ohio Route X"), please feel free to add them below, including a brief reason you feel this should be included (a sentence is sufficient, as have been provided with 1 and 2).

Convention 1: <Ohio> State Highway X

This is the format currently in place on nearly all of the articles.

Convention 2: <Ohio> State Route X

The Ohio Department of Transportation uses "state route" as their naming convention [24].

1. Support – Having lived in and near Ohio for more than half of my life, it is my experience that "state route" is the commonly used term by residents and media alike. — Homefryes ^Say•_Do
2. Support per nom and Homefryes. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Support Nyttend I've occasionally heard "State Highway __", but "State Route __" is far more common.
4. Support per nom. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 19:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Support per nom. --myselfalso 20:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
6. Support as a resident and daily user of state-maintained roads, and beacuse it sounds right. Einstine85 15:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
7. Support as long as it is generally agreed upon. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 11:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 01:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Oregon

<Oregon> Route X

Official name. Common name is apparently Highway X, but that's ambiguous, since ODOT uses Highway X for a separate unsigned system.

• Support since it has to be Route. Also, should the unsigned routes be addressed here? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 19:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose. The term "Route" is only used in Oregon by people who've moved here from another part of the country. Please, sir, can't we have another choice? -- llywrch 20:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • you can add it to the list for Oregon if you wish to support a different format than this one. Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 02:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Using Highway is ambiguous, as ODOT refers to a different system as Highways. From Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)#Don't overdo it:

    In cases where the common name of a subject is misleading, then it is sometimes reasonable to fall back on a well-accepted alternative. For example a "common" name for a tsunami is "tidal wave" (this term being less often used for the tides-related tidal bore). For this reason, the Tidal wave page is a disambiguation page, with links to the two other pages, and not a page giving details about either tsunami or tidal bore.

  • --SPUI (T - C) 04:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom and SPUI. -- NORTH ^talk 15:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC) see below

<Oregon> State Route X

This is the convention currently used (see Category:Oregon state routes).

Oregon Route X

This convention (which has no angle brackets) indicates that the official name is Oregon Route X, not Route X, which appears to be the case looking at ODOT publications which always abbreviates state routes as OR XX (occasionally Ore XX), and particularly Routes to State Highway Cross Reference which divide the state's routes into Interstate Routes, U.S. Routes, and Oregon Routes.

• Support per above. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. -- NORTH ^talk 01:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• This is definitely not a common name.[25] --SPUI (T - C) 01:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

And I hate Google tests. -- NORTH ^talk 01:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

If you confine your searches to oregon.gov or state.or.us, it's not that uncommon compared to plain "Route X". --Polaron | Talk 01:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support per Oregon gov't PDF file. --myselfalso 01:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per Oregon gov't PDF, which clearly distinguishes the state routes from the other classes by using "Oregon Routes". --TMF ^{T - C} 02:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above. Jonathunder 05:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico Highway xx

Seeing as we have no articles one article, it's best to leave it like this. We can change it later.

Puerto Rico Highway xx for main title with PR-xx used for linking & text

This main title is translated and unabbreviated into English, also placing "Highway" after "Puerto Rico" which in Spanish can be the other way. Plus, common name "PR-xx" is used for most of the article and links.

• Support per above. --TinMan 16:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support. This just seems right. --TMF ^{T - C} 19:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse (please rdr link from Carretera xx) ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

<Puerto Rico> Highway xx

This (or Carretera xx) seems to be the common name. Compare [26] with [27]. --SPUI (T - C) 03:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

This needs to be moved up to the debates then. Also, a Google search is not definitive. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It's more definitive than "it's best to leave it like this". --SPUI (T - C) 03:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

A DOT link would be better. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I looked pretty carefully when I created PR-52 and all I could find was PR-X.[28] A search for carretera gives some interesting results - Carretera PR-X? Highway PR-X? --SPUI (T - C) 03:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Carretera PR-X

Similar to Michigan and Kansas. No disambiguation is needed here. --SPUI (T - C) 04:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Highway PR-X

Similar to Michigan and Kansas, but translated. No disambiguation is needed here. --SPUI (T - C) 04:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support Common name is "PR-X". Also referred to by ACT as such. This might even be better as a Michigan style ("M-X") name. --Polaron | Talk 23:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Rhode Island

<Rhode Island> Route X

Common and official name.

• Support - Common enough and it matches what Mass. and Connecticut (which surround RI) seem to have chosen. --TinMan 16:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

South Carolina

South Carolina Route X

Fits P1 and P2. Current convention.

South Carolina Highway X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2. Found on official SCDOT maps: [29]

I don't see this anywhere on that map. However, it does seem to be a more common use. --SPUI (T - C) 08:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

If you zoom into the legend, you can see "highway" is used as opposed to "route". Agree it is more common. --TinMan 04:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I see "state highway", a generic term. I do not see "South Carolina Highway" anywhere. --SPUI (T - C) 05:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

But as you see it is "state highway" and not "state route". --TinMan 02:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Massachusetts has state highways but Routes. State highway is a generic term. --SPUI (T - C) 03:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It is also the exact name used by the SC legislature [30] --TinMan 02:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Support - Since nobody seems to be voting on this and I frequently travel Charleston and Myrtle Beach area rotues, I'll support this one because it seems to be more common for the reasons stated above and then some. --TinMan 02:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Support per SPUI (regarding common use) and TinMan (official name used by the South Carolina legislature). --TMF ^{T - C} 02:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems to have consensus. --CBD 10:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

South Dakota

<South Dakota> Highway X

Common and official name.

• Support I don't think we have SD articles though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

yeah there's a couple. They are currently at South Dakota Highway X with redirects setup from Highway X (South Dakota) but there's only like 3 articles. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 03:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Tennessee

<Tennessee> State Route X

Common and official name.

• Support per TDOT website [31] US 71 01:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per above and know it's common. --TinMan 16:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Texas

<Texas> State Highway X

Common and official name.

1. Support. This is the official TxDOT usage on the designation files. 25or6to4
2. Support --Holderca1 19:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Support. —TheMuuj ^Talk 22:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Support per nom. --myselfalso 04:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Support per above and counter-mass-move. --TinMan 16:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

What mass move? It has always been at State Highway. --Holderca1 17:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

The articles now are at P2. For example: State Highway 4 (Texas). It was moved to this from Texas State Highway 4 by SPUI and others: [32]. --TinMan 02:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The articles started as P1, but were switched over to P2. I've been naming them as P2 just because of consistency and the fact I just wanted to write articles. 25or6to4 03:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

But that is not what we are voting on here. That was voted on in Part I. Supporting here supports the name State Highway vs. State Road, State Route, ect...--Holderca1 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly! Which means that Texas doesn't need a so-called "exemption" so it can remain at P2. Agreed, State Highway is what's going to be used either way. --TinMan 14:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that Michigan and Kansas were the only ones getting an exemtion. I never knew the option existed. This is the biggest cluster I have ever seen. --Holderca1 14:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

This principle would move the articles to Texas State Highway X and any links to Texas highway articles would be done using the redirect (and pipe trick), i.e. [[State Highway X (Texas)|]]. Michigan and Kansas exemption was based on the fact that their routes are M-XX and K-XX and writing Michigan M-XX or Kansas K-XX for the articles didn't make any sense, as it was redundant, so they're allowed to stick with P2. I think. :P -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 15:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The exemption being referred to for Texas is totally separate from the exemption for Kansas or Michigan. A compromise was reached on the talk page that states that are entirely at P2 and for which there is no controversy over the naming convention would be allowed to stay at Principle 2. This would be New Jersey, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Texas, and Oklahoma. -- NORTH ^talk 22:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

OH! that controversy. I was just confused because of the comparison to KS and MI. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 23:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, got it, that is the only exemption we need, redirects for P1 are already in place. Just whenever someone gets time, they will get moved. --Holderca1 13:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse (with the reminder that if someone turns up and volunteers to do the whole conversion, they're going to get converted to P1, that is, to this convention) ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Utah

<Utah> State Route X

Common and official name.

• Support from what I can tell on the Utah DOT. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 03:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Vermont

Vermont Route X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

Support per nom. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Support per nom. --myselfalso 01:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Virginia

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Virginia Highways for previous discussions on naming conventions

Primary routes:

<Virginia> State Highway X

Curent naming convention, not an official name. Was debated for NC. Result of debate was no consensus.

<Virginia> State Route X

Per this discussion, the Virginia Department of transportation uses the "State Route" convention or the below convention. This convention would be with "Virginia" in front, as per prior decisions in this Poll.

I've done a large amount of research on Virginia highways, and, while the Route style is used more, even in official usage, "Route 13" could refer to either U.S. Route 13 or State Route 13, both of which exist. For that reason, I think State Route, which is more common than Virginia Route, especially in the media, is the best style. --NE2 07:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe that this format would be more preferred, since this designation is more in line with what the stete highway department uses. I like to stay in lign with what is in common use, as long as a standard is in place. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 14:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support- simple, easy, makes sense. I'm more likely to say "Route X" in the article body, however. That just seems natural to me. --MPD01605 (T / C) 02:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support- from recent travels and recent discussions, this is most common. Credibility: Do not live in VA, nor part of the WikiProject, but been there many times and traveled many of the routes. VA has a very unique system. --TinMan 04:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support Seems like the only reliable version. As with P1, no parantheses are allowed. This is the way to go.UberCryxic 12:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Virginia Route X

Per above discussion, VDOT claims they use this form. The Virginia Senate also uses this version (ref: above discussions).

<Virginia> Route X

Route X is a common name also used by VDOT, but is in some ways an abbreviation that also applies to other types. So Route 33 can refer to State Route 33 or U.S. Route 33.

Secondary routes:

Secondary Route X (N County, Virginia)

The current NC, but since every route is numbered, major routes like Fairfax County Parkway, are named by the name, rather than the number.

Doesn't this break our precious P1? --SPUI (T - C) 05:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Since they are county based, it does not interfere with P1. I COULD support parentheses in this case, since there are different sets for each VA county. Weird ain't it? This doesn't really matter at all because all VA secondary routes are given a alphabetic name. --TinMan 05:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

So are primary routes (given alphabetic names), but again, like Route 625 in Loudoun County, it has the names Church Road, Waxpool Road, and Truro Parish Drive. Route 606 is Old Ox Road and Loudoun County Parkway, while Loudoun County Parkway is designated for Route 607 and part of Route 606. So, the route numbers would be best for those. --MPD01605 (T / C) 05:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Virginia Route X (N County)

Would fall in line with other conventions, as the common person would most likely search for "Virginia Route 606", instead of "Secondary Route X".

Same as primary

Virginia Route X and State Route X are both used.[33][34] --SPUI (T - C) 04:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, it just needs the county dab. --MPD01605 (T / C) 05:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ratification

Seeing how no further comments have been made in 6 days and the poll supports one solution, I move that the Virginia conventions be ratified as

<Virginia> State Route X for primary routes

<Virginia> State Route X (N County) for secondary routes, with exceptions being made by consensus for major routes with a consistent name, such as Fairfax County Parkway.

Time shall be alloted for opposition to the ratification, per the discretion of Rschen7754. --MPD01605 (T / C) 03:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I think most people who "voted" above oppose this. --SPUI (T - C) 03:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Which part? --MPD01605 (T / C) 03:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The convention, period. People "voted" for <Virginia> State Route X. --SPUI (T - C) 03:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops, you're right. I meant that, I didn't even realize I'd written it wrong. Force of habit, have to get used to that. Fixed it now. --MPD01605 (T / C) 03:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

OK - I support now. Pipe trick links to follow WP:USSH will be State Route X (N County, Virginia). --SPUI (T - C) 03:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Support. -- NORTH ^talk 22:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Support. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Support if all that pipe trick stuff works. --TinMan 16:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Washington

Convention 1: <Washington> State Route xx

Current convention, I doubt it will be contested, but want to get this approved nonetheless.

• Support as WP:WASH leader, co-leader, or whatever it is now. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • <sarcasm> No, Rschen, you are "fellow editor," no more, no less (except for your admin privileges). </sarcasm> --physicq210 00:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support as fellow WP:WASH leader, co-leader, or whatever it is now. -- NORTH ^talk 05:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support; glad to see this getting close to wrapping up. WA resident Travisl 22:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --myselfalso 01:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support I pity whoever moves all the State Route XX (Washington) pages to the new convention... Sonic3KMaster^(talk) 14:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per general consensus expressed above. --TMF ^{T - C} 02:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 11:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Convention 2: SR xx

This is the abbreviation most often found on mast-arm signs at intersections and in internal WSDOT documents. It is also occasionally (mis)used for U.S. and, less frequently, Interstate routes.

This one is out of the question. It is ambiguous. Which state's "SR" will you be talking about? --physicq210 05:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, we could certainly change it to <Washington> SR XX, which is probably what the user meant to put anyway. However, this convention has already been briefly mentioned on WT:WASH, and consensus there (and other projects nationwide) is that abbreviations are bad. (SR is an abbreviation for State Route.)

Also, it's not misused for US and Interstate routes. WSDOT defines all the roads it maintains as State Routes (SRs), and throughout its documentation, Interstate 5 is referred to as SR 5, etc. -- NORTH ^talk 06:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. Too ambiguous. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 06:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

West Virginia

West Virginia State Route xx

Current convention, official name as discussed at Talk:West Virginia State Highways.

1. Support as it is the current convention and one most often used within the project. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

West Virginia Route X

Despite the email on Talk:West Virginia State Highways, WVDOT never uses West Virginia State Route X and only rarely WV State Route X.[35][36] It is used occasionally in state laws,[37] but a simple State Route X is used much more.[38] West Virginia Route X is also used in laws,[39] and WVDOT sometimes uses West Virginia Route X or WV Route X.[40][41] See also [42] and [43] for further evidence. --SPUI (T - C) 23:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support per nom. --TMF ^{T - C} 03:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Support per SPUI. --TinMan 16:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse --CBD 10:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Wisconsin

Convention 1: <Wisconsin> Highway XXX

This is the unabbreviated form of what is found on some road signs in the state. It is also the most popular use in the state and is the basis on the current convention based on Principle 2 (Highway XXX (Wisconsin))

1. Support: Close to the popular form that we'll get to under the circumstances --master_son^{Lets talk}
2. Support: Probably the best of the three options, and requires the least work and is closest to the current standard. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Support – What I would say/use when referring to them, since they're north of where I live — Homefryes ^Say•_Do 07:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Support - the best of all available options. Sounds the closest to what is used in common conversation here. Lifelong resident of Wisconsin, and a member of WikiProject Wisconsin Highways. Royalbroil 04:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Support: much of my life I've lived just across the river and have driven many Wisconsin Highways. This is common use in my experience. Jonathunder 05:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
6. Support per nom. --TMF ^{T - C} 03:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Seems uncontroversial. --CBD 11:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse Syrthiss 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 01:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Convention 2: <Wisconsin> State Highway XXX

This is a disambiguated form of "State Highway x" for Wisconsin. It seems to be rarely used though

Convention 3: <Wisconsin> State Trunk Highway XXX

"State Trunk Highway is the format that WISDOT uses in official documentation, many websites such as Chris Bessert's Wisconsin Highways use this format. This convention, however, is not very often used on road signs, writings or common dialogue.

1. In line with WP:NC, this is the best option, since it is the legally correct name. Most common vernacular usage should be handled via redirects in this case. Tomer^talk 05:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Wyoming

Wyoming Highway X

Common and official name, fits P1 and P2.

• Support. Not sure if we have any articles here though. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Endorse - Unchallenged version. --CBD 10:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
2. Endorse CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 20:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Endorse Syrthiss 23:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Endorse ++Lar: t/c 03:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Ratified conventions

These conventions have already come to consensus.

American Samoa

American Samoa Highway xx

Seeing as we have no articles, it's best to leave it like this. We can change it later.

The naming format to be used in the title of the territorial highways of American Samoa shall be American Samoa Highway XX.

California

<California> State Route XX

Per this (extremely dirty and tense) discussion prior (and perhaps leading) to the ArbCom case, it is interpreted that (barring SPUI's views at the time) consensus has been reached regarding the naming of California's state highways. As the current accepted convention of the California State Highways WikiProject regarding the titling of the articles of California state highways conforms to Principle I as decided in Part I of this poll, no vote is necessary regarding state highways of California.

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of California shall be <California> State Route XX.

District of Columbia

District of Columbia Route x

Current convention and DC 295 is the only one left in existence.

The naming format to be used in the title of the district highways of the District of Columbia shall be District of Columbia Route XX due to having only one route in existence.

Guam

Guam Highway xx

Seeing as we have no articles, it's best to leave it like this. We can change it later.

The naming format to be used in the title of the territorial highways of Guam shall be Guam Highway XX.

Kansas

Exemption from process

Kansas should be exempted from this process, as there is no way to conform to both Principle I and official Wikipedia policy (that is, Use common names.) Current naming convention is K-x (Kansas highway). See also Part I discussion and Michigan below. —Scott5114↗ 05:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a discussion that shows consensus? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, you allowed the exception yourself. And there really is no way to adequately reconcile this naming scheme with P1. --physicq210 05:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

For Kansas only, then, I'll leave it be unless there's objections. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 18:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Kansas shall be K-XX (Kansas highway) due to the special exemption allowed.

Maryland

For the previous discussion on this naming convention see: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Roads_in_Maryland/Archive1#Naming_convention

Exemption from process

We already established a convention that follows both principles.-Jeff ^(talk) 19:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Maryland Route X

Common and official name; fits P1 and P2.

• Support. This is what's already in place and was agreed on by myself and another member at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Roads_in_Maryland/Archive1#Naming_convention. -Jeff ^(talk) 17:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I know Maryland has discussed this, you could request an exemption. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 18:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Maryland shall be Maryland Route XX.

Michigan

Exemption from process

Per the guideline above and offered exception for Michigan:

“ If your state has already discussed this issue and it agrees with the passed principle, you can link to the discussion and be exempted from the process (unless a few people object). However, you MUST be able to point to a specific discussion with a clear consensus... ”

the Michigan State Highway WikiProject, and the pages it oversees -- namely all Michigan state trunk line related articles -- wishes to be exempted from the process as the current naming scheme has been agreed upon previously [44], barring any objections that appear here.

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Michigan shall be M-XX (Michigan highway).

Minnesota

Minnesota State Highway X

Common and official name.

The participants in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Minnesota State Highways adopted the convention of naming Minnesota state highways as follows: Minnesota State Highway x. Kablammo 16:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Note: the convention adopted was precisely as Kablamo wrote. "Minnesota" is not dropped. Jonathunder 04:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Exempted. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 18:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Minnesota shall be Minnesota State Highway XX.

Northern Mariana Islands

Northern Mariana Islands Highway xx

Seeing as we have no articles, it's best to leave it like this. We can change it later.

The naming format to be used in the title of the territorial highways of the Northern Mariana Islands shall be Northern Mariana Islands Highway XX.

Oklahoma

<Oklahoma> State Highway X

"Oklahoma State Highway" should be used, as it is the term which is both conformant to Principle I and is both commonly used and seems to be the official name, as well. —Scott5114↗ 04:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

For clarification, "State Highway X" is the official name; the Oklahoma is P1 in action. --SPUI (T - C) 04:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Support. Sounds good. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Oklahoma shall be <Oklahoma> State Highway XX.

Pennsylvania

If anyone has any ideas that is in line with Principle I, [State Name] [Road Term] XX feel free to add them.

Convention 1: Pennsylvania Route x

This is the convention used for Pennsylvania routes. See WP:PASH. Also see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pennsylvania_State_Highways/Archive_01#Naming Convention for debate about naming convention.

1. Support. I see no reason to change it from what has been established at PASH. --myselfalso
2. Support - fits P1 and P2. --SPUI (T - C) 05:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
3. Support – agree w/ User:Myselfalso — Homefryes ^Say•_Do 07:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
4. Support per Myselfalso. --TMF ^{T - C} 16:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
5. Support per others. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 19:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
6. Support if that's what the project decided, and it follows both principles, no need to change it.-Jeff ^(talk) 02:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

• Can we consider this convention ratified? This was previously discussed at WP:PASH, and there seems (I can't stress that enough) to be a general consensus. --myselfalso 02:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Then you can go ahead and request exemption. --physicq210 02:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Here's just an idea I had: why not vote on an exemption and kill two birds with one stone. If you ask for an exemption, then we have to decide if that's really what the state wants; a poll here would settle any confusion. Would this work for all? You could put up notices on the talk pages of those who have already voted to let them know that exemption is an option. It's just a suggestion. --TinMan 04:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I think what Myselfalso wants is not an exemption (which sounds like we're trying to bypass the standardized convention, which is certainly not the case) but more of a "speedy close", if you will, like what happened with Minnesota, since this convention has already been discussed, is already in place and would require no page moves or anything of the like. --TMF ^{T - C} 06:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, a "speedy close" is a more appropriate term to be used here. So, is anyone opposed to a "speedy close" for this vote? --myselfalso 11:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
          • It should be exempted... you didn't have to even put this up for discussion, just point to the discussion and request exemption. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Exempted. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Convention 2: Pennsylvania State Route x

This is the former convention used in the early days of WP:PASH.

The naming format to be used in the title of the state highways of Pennsylvania shall be Pennsylvania Route XX.

U.S. Virgin Islands

U.S. Virgin Islands Highway xx

Seeing as we have no articles, it's best to leave it like this. We can change it later.

The naming format to be used in the title of the territorial highways of the U.S. Virgin Islands shall be U.S. Virgin Islands Highway XX.

Administrator rulings

• I have briefly examined all the votes in this section and they all seem to be in good order. Exemptions from the official principle adopted in Part 1 are a little unusual but since they seem to have a good amount of support they are fine by me. Ashibaka tock 22:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)