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{{AP-stub}} / no cat

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The result of the debate was delete


From discoveries. Too narrow. Can restub articles into {{edu-stub}}. Delete ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 18:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also thoroughly fails the dab test. I work for AP (not to be confused with AP). Delete. Grutness...wha? 22:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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{{African-music-stub}} → {{Africa-music-stub}}

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The result of the debate was rename


We usually have the country as a noun in the template, so this should be renamed. This was on the Discoveries page, and it just needs to be renamed before I put it on WP:STUBS. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 17:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok with me. Goldenrowley
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Scotland national football team squad template

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The result of the debate was moved to WP:TFD


{{Template:Scotland football squad}}

This was created as an example template (by me) and is not needed. Nominate for deletion. Fedgin 15:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Belarus politics and history

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The result of the debate was delete -history- redirect, upmerge others


Discoveries cleaning again. (Expect to see this a lot today.)

Too small. Re-stub these with {{Belarus-stub}} (Category:Belarus stubs is not oversized) or upmerge. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 13:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathematician redirects

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The result of the debate was delete 1,2,3 and maths-bio-stub


More cleaning of Discoveries.

  1. {{mathbiostub}}
  2. {{mathbio-stub}}
  3. {{math-bio-stub}}
  4. {{mathematician-stub}}

1-3 are currently redirects to 4. I vote that we delete 1 and 2 and possibly redirect 4 to 3 because math-bio is a lot easier to spell that mathematician. I would also be fine with keeping the 3 → 4 redirect as it stands. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 13:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete 1 and 2, redirect 3 to 4, not the other way round. "Math-bio" is a US-only construction (it would be Maths-bio in Commonwealth English, since we've never managed to work out what an individual mathematic might be), and it's better to avoid the US/UK language split where possible. Grutness...wha? 22:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete 1, 2, and 3. How many "hits" do these phantoms get? I agree with Grutness's remarks. In addition, everyone who works on math(s) bios or history knows that {{mathematician-stub}} is the stub template to use. Also, I would hate to have to clean up after an editor who has any difficulty whatsoever spelling mathermatician (OOPS!). Personally, I copy and paste such things, and I suspect that many others do likewise. Finell (Talk) 06:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "[E]veryone who works on math(s) bios or history knows that {{mathematician-stub}} is the stub template to use." Ummm, I didn't. I haven't made many edits of bios, but I've made a few. And the tag I used I copied from somewhere else. (I don't remember where.) Also, if these really are redirects and not stub types in and of themselves, then doesn't this belong on WP:RFD instead? Note that you may have a tough time on RfD: these redirects don't cause confusion nor are they cross-space redirects. Also, redirects are cheap. Lunch 04:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Stub redirects are always handled here, and template redirects are not cheap in terms of the servers, as has been explained here many times in the past. They also cause problems in trying to maintain uniformity in stub template naming. Perhaps a viable compromise would be to keep mathematician-stub as the mains tub, with the redirect from math-bio-stub, and create a maths-bio-stub redirect, deleting the two which fail the naming guidelines. Grutness...wha? 21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okey doke. Lunch 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like Amalas suggestion, support, it eliminates 2 redirects. . Goldenrowley 00:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And I just created {{Maths-bio-stub}} as a redirect. If it is decided to delete the other ones, please delete this one too. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
... on what basis? Two of them clearly clash with the naming guidelines, the one you just created does not. The real issue as far as I'm concerned isn't the server load, it's the cognitive load caused by creating confusion as to the pattern of stub template names. Someone typing "mathbiostub" either has a nervous tick about hyphens, or is going to be mighty confused when they try to use any other "-bio-stub" type, which they're invariably called. Alai 04:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all Redirects are cheap — enough. Why go out of our way to make it harder for editors to classify a stub? If it is really all that hard on the servers, then some bot could be written to convert all the uses of the template redirects. Humans should tell the commputers what to do not the other way round ;-) Paul August ☎ 20:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I run such a bot, "on the basis of SFD outcomes" as it's approved to do, and ironically, keeping the redirects would preclude me from running it on these instances. Alai 04:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template redirects are not cheap. See Grutness 21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC) above. Finell (Talk) 20:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Err, Finell must mean User_talk:Grutness#template_redirects. To sum up: in their use, template redirects cause a marginal increase in server load that would best be avoided. Their practical effect is a bit different than that of article redirects. (And template redirects only benefit editors whereas article redirects benefit readers - the idea being editors are easier to corral and get to do something that benefits the project.) That said, they're not super-duper-ultra cheap, but they're not that expensive either. Lunch 23:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Uhh, no, Finell means, as he said, Grutness's comment time stamped 21:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC), on this Talk page, several paragraphs above. I've also read elsewhere in WP policy documents that template accesses hit server load more heavily than page redirects. Finell (Talk) 07:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection

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The result of the debate was delete


Extremely limited in scope: There are very few Nintendo WFC games (certainly not the fifty articles that this page suggests), and even fewer that are stubs. {{Nintendo-stub}} should cover the stubs that do exist. Hbdragon88 07:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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