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how to add titlle (i.e above) in native language in infobox

If i have written | above=University but i want to write "university" in a different language below the english rendering, how can i do it in template of infobox? Sohebbasharat (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Expanding on what I mentioned below, if you're interested in making an infobox for an article on a university, I recommend using {{Infobox university}} instead of a custom infobox. It's much more convenient. The university infobox has a parameter for the native name of the university. Hope that helps!--xanchester (t) 01:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

thanx, i wanted to make infobox for this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamia_Ahmadiyya actually in the infobox university, the labels are prefixed,this is a different kind of university,so i thought that a custom infobox of custom labels and headers would be a good one, infact i have made one in tutorial sandbox 1, can you see it? how can i show u?

I can see it on Wikipedia:Tutorial/Editing/sandbox. Great job, it looks good so far! However, I've noticed that the article in question already has an infobox. What other parameters do you plan on adding in the custom infobox?--xanchester (t) 01:22, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

thanx

yes there already is infobox, but i think that the labels are not exactly relevant like "Undergraduates=Shahid" It isnt like this, it isnt an undergraduate degree, it is a separate system, so Degrees Awarded is a better choice. similarly some other parameters might also be added. it was just an idea, i dont know if its good or not. also the formatting of flags in locations was shaggy, in the infobox i created, how can i add native language name below the title i have given? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohebbasharat (talk • contribs) 01:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Use the subheader parameter.--xanchester (t) 01:46, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

how to customize style options while making infobox

Sohebbasharat (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! Making a custom infobox is a daunting task. It might be more convenient to use one of the many infoboxes already available in Category:Infobox templates. Which article are you making this infobox for?--xanchester (t) 01:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

How to remove an IP address from an edit

I just summoned up courage to make a minor edit on an article to correct a wrong date - and found with dismay after I did it that I wasn't logged in. My 180 day login had just expired and I hadn't noticed. Is there any way of removing my edit and the "edit undo" from the edit history so that I don't make my IP address public. I can then put in the correct edit from my own ID. Thanks. Sarah Dluogs (talk) 23:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia's oversight policy for the full text, but I will summarize here. Due to you inadvertantly exposing your IP address, it is possible to permanently remove this from the servers. This is done using an extension named Oversight, which is only given to a very small trusted group of users who meet the WMF's requirements for access to non-public data, including identification to the WMF. To request this, go to the Oversight page linked above and follow the instructions above. Once your request is accepted (which I have no doubt it will be), an oversighter will remove the IP permanently. Depending on how the oversight is done, there may not be a need for you to redo the whole edit. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask! gwickwire | Leave a message 23:52, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this!! Dluogs (talk) 00:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Renaming a page, and this new name already exists for another article

I've been editing the article about the ancient city of Bocchoris, see article Bocchorum.

The issue is that the more correct name is Bocchoris; Bocchorum is just a declension of the noun in Latin, e.g., cited in a passage by Pliny the Elder

The version in Catalan is in line, with the correct name, Bocchoris.

How do I rename the Bocchorum page without altering the other, which is about the king of Egypt Bakenranef, also known as Bocchoris? Right now if you type Bocchoris it redirects you to Bakenranef.

Cheers

Pep marfran (talk) 19:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse. You can create a disambiguation page to address this kind of problems. Refer Wikipedia:Disambiguation. In this case, the redirect itself can act as the disambiguation page. When you type 'Bocchoris' and get redirected to Bakenranef, you can see the text "Redirected from Bocchoris" below the title. Click on Bocchoris there, which will take you to the redirect page. You can convert this redirect page into a disambiguation page by including links to both the articles and a single line description to identify them. Feel free to ask if you require any more help to do this. --Anbu121 (talk me) 19:44, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Pep, you should also move Bocchorum to Bocchoris (city), that deals with your original issue about the whole name. Using city will distinguish it from the other article. NtheP (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

How to upload image and then add it to the infobox?

How to upload image and then add it to the infobox? Sohebbasharat (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Welcome to the teahouse. To upload an image, use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. If you are the author of the image, and are willing to grant anyone the permission to use it however they want, go ahead and upload the image to Wikimedia Commons. However, if the image is copyrighted, please keep in mind Wikipedia's guidelines on non-free images. Copyrighted images must have a valid rationale indicating that the image qualifies for fair use. Once the image is uploaded, insert the file name into the infobox. (Some infoboxes require a "File:" before the image name, others don't. It depends on the template that is used.) Hope that helps,--xanchester (t) 18:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

deleted page

My account was blocked, (something to do with an inappropriate user name). I didn't know I was doing anything wrong. Now, even though I've received an email to say it's unblocked, my work has gone. Hours upon hours of listing botanical species - GONE! I find the reporting process very complicated, and I don't how how to go forward. Please help. Does this mean all my hard work has gone? Ferry Lane Estate Wildlife (talk) 15:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, and welcome to the The Teahouse. Many new users will start an account here representing some organization, but for a variety of reasons, we generally do not allow people to make user names representing some entity other than themselves. You've done the right thing by requesting a change in username, though Bwilkins (talk · contribs) has asked you some questions on your talk page that you need to respond to before your request will be accepted.

As for your deleted material, was it the content on your user page? It's possible you may be able to recover your work by asking the deleting administrator (Mufka (talk · contribs) to e-mail or move the material. The reason it was deleted was because you were using a your userpage presumably to host an article. If it was about your organization, this would be an inappropriate use of userpage as it represents promotion of your company. In any case, one's user page should not be used to host articles-in-progress. I've asked Mufka to comment here, so hopefully this can be resolved. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 15:52, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

The page is restored. I'd recommend moving it to User:Ferry Lane Estate Wildlife/Sandbox. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 17:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll wait to see if the user changes their username, and move it then. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 21:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Why discuss wiki on a wiki?

This relates to the problem I have just experienced in asking a question here at the teahouse.

If a person is having problems editing Wikipedia, it seems unhelpful to require them to describe the problem using the same wiki markup that is causing the problem in the first place. It would seem to me to make more sense if this Q and A was done using plain text (or a conventional web discussion forum) and not as wiki markup. Kerry (talk) 05:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kerry, unfortunately, Wikipedia doesn't currently have the ability to use a WYSIWYG editor right now; however, there is one in progress that you can test out at mw:VisualEditor:Test. Another option is to use the IRC channel at #wikipedia-en-help ^connect; however, some people have difficulty using IRC as well. Ryan Vesey 05:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not asking for WYSIWYG, just plain text would do. Since Wikipedia's edit window appears to be plain text, why not use that same type of window? There is a certain "arrogance" to the logic of insisting wiki markup be used for everything. Sure, wikis are useful for certain applications, but not all. Kerry (talk) 06:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree that editors would initially have problems using wiki-markup initially (I have seen much discussion on this during my time here). However, we have no choice because this page still runs on Wikimedia software, which demands the use of mark-ups. However, that being said, I don't think any of my fellow editors here on the teahouse would take issue with the wrong wiki-markups used here. I would say that the only way to change this situation you mentioned is to hope that Wikimedia quickly develops a usable WYSIWYG fast. Meanwhile, do continue to ask your questions here and do not worry about giving the wrong wikitext or something. We are here to help after all. As for editing other places on Wikipedia, there is the WikiProject Wikify which deal with such problems on articles (just tag it {{wikify}}). There is also a helpbar above this editor to help with the basics of wikitext. The "Help" section contains particularly useful information.Last but not least, it is possible to use Wikipedia's edit window here. See the edit button at the top right hand corner? Click on it and scroll down till you see the line "". Add a new section below it (== Your Question title ==) and edit as per any other Wikipedia talk page. Hope this comment is useful. Happy editing!--Lionratz (talk) 10:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. this Q and A could be run on one of the many other discussion forums out there, eg google Groups , facebook etc. There isn't a good reason to use wiki markup in this case and indeed a good reason not to if the intention is to support new users with markup questions. Kerry (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Two things have already been pointed out above. First, that Q and A is already available in a non-wiki format, on IRC. (There are also various Wikimedia mailing lists which get a lot of traffic, although I don't know if they have one dedicated to help questions.) Second, that new users not being familiar with wiki markup does not prevent them asking a question here, or indeed reading the answer. (In other words, if they forget to sign their posts or whatever, a human or a bot will do it for them.) If you feel there is a need for a help facility on Facebook or Google Groups or any other social network, I don't see why you shouldn't go ahead and set one up. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I was prevented from asking my question About templates because the markup got in the way, and someone did take issue with it, so the assertion that it does not prevent Q and Aappears to be ill-informed. For people with disabilities using special keyboards (I can't use a regular keyboard), the common characters for markup such as brackets, pipes, etc are not always available, making it much more complicated and time consuming to create them. i know of irc but cannot use it, I was told to come here for friendly help and I made my suggestion in spirit of trying to help others and thank you to those of you who took it seriously in your responses. while I have physical limitations,for many it is a conceptual barrier. If this forum is ro be helpful, it needs to be more accessible. Kerry (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Kerry, when you open a screen to edit, does it look like this?

If so then is a drop down menu (in the picture it says Insert, if you select the option Wiki markup then you will see most of the special characters like brackets and pipes that can be selected by clicking on them (sorry I am assuming here that your accessibility issues do not prevent the use of a mouse or similar). Until the interface is improved this is probably about as good as it gets. NtheP (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

coordinate templates do not work

I am trying to use the Coord template for the City of South Brisbane but all I get onscreen is

Template:Coord/display/City of South Brisbane

in red. Also, I know how to find out if someone has written my talk page but how to do I find out if there is an answer to this question. Could you please email e-mail address removed, user has Special:emailuser enabled as otherwise I don't know how to find out. Kerry (talk) 03:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello there, and welcome to the teahouse! First of all, I'd like to point out that I did in fact remove your email from the page. If you wish to replace it, go right ahead, but us users here can email you through the Special:EmailUser feature without knowing your e-mail, to help prevent spam from clogging your inbox. If you'd like to permanently have your email removed from the server's history of this page, you can request it to be oversighted which will remove it from everyone's view forever. Now on to your question. Try using this: {{Template:Coord|(degrees north or south)|(minutes n/s)|(seconds n/s)|(N/S)|(degrees east or west)|(minutes e/w)|(seconds e/w)|(E/W)|display=title}} replacing degrees, minutes, and seconds with two digit numbers, and the N/S and E/W with the letter corresponding to its latitude and longitude. This information can be found many places online, including Google Maps, etc. Alternatively, if you use {{Template:Coord|(degrees N/S with up to 3 decimals)|(N/S)|(degrees E/W with up to 3 decimals)|(E/W)|display=title}} it will show up as a decimal instead. Again, just replace the numbers with your lat/lon coordinates. Hope this helps! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I did. I copied the appropriate template (the one with decimal degrees using postive/negatives rather than NSEW) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord and just changed the specifics but it does not work. I wish you would explain how to email Wikipedia users as it is very difficult to use this idea of talk pages and it's not private either. Kerry (talk) 03:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Specifically I copied and pasted this one {{Coord|44.112|-87.913|display=title}} Kerry (talk) 03:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

If you want to see what I typed, you will have to look in Edit mode as it does not display otherwise Kerry (talk) 03:49, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you do me a favor and copy the template (from the {{ to }} and then try it? Copy it directly from the page view mode, not from the edit window. Then fill in the information and see if it works. The two problems in the one you used the first time are your use of / instead of the vertical pipe | . Also, you need to specify the coordinate, not the city, in one of the two formats in my above comment. Thanks! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:56, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

It's here in this thread. Look up a few lines at the sentence starting "Specifically I copied and pasted this one". The copy-and-paste is there but you cannot see it because it does not display unless you look in Edit mode.Kerry (talk) 04:03, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

This is what it says Kerry (talk) 04:23, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kerry! It is great to see you at the Teahouse. :) The problem ended up being an odd one - like you, I thought when I read it that "title" had to be replaced with the name of the location the coordinates are for, but if you do that the template breaks. Instead, you need to leave the word "title" in place and enter

The display tag refers to where to display the coordinates on the page, rather than anything to do with the location that the coordinates are pointing to, so "display=title" simply says to add the coordinates to the top of the article. - Bilby (talk) 06:30, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

And in this case, the top of the Teahouse!

We probably should remove it so that people don't get confused. Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. :) - Bilby (talk) 06:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

So this would appear be to a design and/or a documentation error? I mean if the purpose is to be a layout parameter, then why would you call this "title", a word that has a very different meaning in terms o page semantics? Why not call it "top" which would then be less ambiguous? This is why it is a design error, which should be fixed or at least better documented. Should I "be bold" and fix it? Kerry (talk) 12:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Please it is crucial the creation of the following locator maps:

1)Cyprus-Iraqi Kurdistan 2)Cyprus-UAE IsrArmen (talk) 22:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back! The Maps Wiki-Project page is likely the best place to request these. Thanks--Go Phightins! 23:07, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

That link’s more of a resource page for map-makers. There’s a request board for maps at the Graphics Lab.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Rate this page is disabled.

On my article C++ grammar the section "Rate this page" is disabled. At least it is displayed as disabled to me. Who/when/how can rate my page? Looking at the links about this feature it seems to me that something (version5?) is under development. Can anybody provide any update? Should I do anything to enable collection of the feedback? Code-Analysis (talk) 00:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Hmmm. I have the "rate my page" feature on the bottom of the page. This sounds dumb, but have you refreshed the page? If that doesn't work, a good place to inquire might be the Village Pump, where some of our technically inclined editors hang out and mess around with problems like these. Go Phightins! 03:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict):Hi, Code-Analysis, welcome to the Teahouse. Since you are the creator of the page, feedback for the page is disabled for you. It would not be very helpful for someone to rate a page they have created. I am able to use the tool on that page just fine, so don't worry, it works.

But the more pressing issue is that it has been nominated for deletion. As a computer science student I see great potential in the article, but as it currently has zero references, others may not see it that way. I have commented at the deletion discussion, but, as expected, the user who posted after myself has argued for its deletion on the grounds that it has no references. I understand that you may not be versed in Wikipedia's citation paradigm, but we need something to go on. If you provide a list of references, others will be in a position to help you format them. That action alone may save the article. You may have known everything you wrote without looking it up, but readers need concrete verification. If you would like to try your hand at formatting the references yourself, you may want to take a gander at Help:Footnotes. Note that they do not have to be perfectly done right away. It is much more important that we can see where the information comes from. hajat vrc @ 03:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

how to make a montage for a city page using wiki commons pictures?

how can i make a montage for a city page using wiki commons pictures? (182.177.219.132 (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

182, welcome. If all the picture on on Commons then they will all be licenced for reuse so you could download the ones you want, create your montage and then upload the result onto Commons to be used. As far as I know there isn't any image editing facility her or on Commons that allows you to create a montage within wiki. NtheP (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi 182. You can find many free image editing programs with a quick search engine query. The industry standard would be GIMP, (which works on all common operating systems), but that has a slightly steeper learning curve than others, especially if you aren't familiar with Photoshop-type programs. You can find an on-Wiki list at Comparison of raster graphics editors, which will list the free ones for you. hajat vrc @ 20:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

By far the best program I have used is paint.net, furthermore Googles Picasa program should have some tools.Airbender3 (Talk) 02:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

Hi 3 sugars please :) Where do I find people to review my article's talk page that is on my userspace? They should comment on editions needed, perhaps help with editions etc. before I move it to main userspace. I don't want to create my first article and then have it deleted for reasons I could have resolved earlier! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Airbender3 (talk • 13:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Airbender, add the markup {{subst:submit}} to the top of your page. This will add the request for the page to be reviewed at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. It may take some time as there a lot of pages awaiting review. NtheP (talk) 13:43, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Airbender3. Your draft of MyWapBlog.com is not yet ready to be moved to mainspace. You need to find some verifiable second-party sources to satisfy Wikipedia notability guidelines for web sites. The MyWapBlog.com sites are primary sources. I searched Google and found no independent coverage of MyWapBlog.com. Then I did internal searches of tech sites like CNet.com and PCMagazine. I found only one mention that it had been downloaded 11 times and a link to the site. Look for articles in newspapers and significant coverage on independent websites so show that MyWapBlog.com is notable. DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 02:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks NtheP, {{subst:submit}} is what I needed!!!

Thanks DocTree. I really just started the article a few days ago. I posed the question in anticipation of when I would move it. I am aware that the main service domain as a citation isn't very notable. There is another independent citation. The service reached number 3 in Indonesia on Quantcast last year. And has majority Indonesian users.

I'm sure there's lots of references in that community...

But the owner isn't Indonesian.

In the particular category there isn't a service like this available so its a sort of 'pioneer'. The creator hadn't done any marketing on the service and it spread by word of mouth.

Thanks for the the edit on 'there', I have a disability with that word lol.

Airbender3 (Talk) 02:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

want to edit this page as per wiki norms. can anyone help

am interested in creating this page. Can anyone help me edit this page as per wiki norms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ubsingh/Shubi_husain Ubsingh (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Ubsingh, welcome to the Teahouse. There are a few issues with your draft article as it stands.

you need to establish her notability by providing independent, reliable sources about her.
the language you are using is quite effusive. Phrases like Shubi Husain has been a name synonymous with Health & Nutrition and outstanding knowledge & work in this field really need a lot of clarification but preferably should be removed unless you really can justify the statements.
a lot of the article is about her company and what it offers making it sound like an advertisement for the company rather than an article about its founder. NtheP (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I will assist with infobox and sections. Airbender3 (Talk) 12:58, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Looking advice on create band entry

I created an entry for an indie rock band who have just got airplay on BBC 6Music. The article was refused when I submitted it and the editor said I should ask here for advice as he doesn't specialise in music. The band had no biographical info on the playlist and I saw that the BBC uses wikipedia to get it. The band have been promised more airplay on 6Music so I'd be keen to have an article that can be used by the BBC when making new playlists. They are also due to get an interview on BBC Radio Foyle later this month so I imagine there will be another track played then and another playlist on BBC website. Here is the link to my page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Musicfan1812/sandbox Musicfan1812 (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Musicfan, if you haven't been given this link, go to WP:BAND. It sounds like the band may not be notable yet, but it's possible they will be, at which time there will be sufficient sources for them to have an article.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I think that part of the issue is that there is not enough local knowledge on Wikipedia. BBC Radio Foyle is an autonomous service unique in the BBC, no other region in the UK has two regional radio stations. The band have had airplay for the first album, exceptional praise and the follow up of an interview for the second album, they have been mentioned in the Derry Journal which is the paper of record in the area, established in 1772, which makes them notable in the local area, plus this month twice being featured in national radio. There is a chicken and an egg aspect here, the BBC uses Wikipedia as an authoritative source but by not being featured on Wikipedia it dilutes the impact the band makes on playlists as band information is derived from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicfan1812 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC) Musicfan1812 (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not supposed to be used to promote a company or organization, and it should not necessarily be regarded as reliable. It sounds like the band might meet our qualifications, though, but the key is independent reliable sources.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:29, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The use of company/personal websites as references.

I was recently started an article on an online performance group called the Plaintext Players that was deleted because, so far, it only referenced both the companies website http://yin.arts.uci.edu/~players/ and the founders website http://www.forger.com .

I was further going to add sections which referenced academic text such as http://playground151.servus.at/sites/default/files/OP6_HelenJamieson.pdf

My question is, I've noticed various other articles on wikipedia that use company websites and personal websites in their references in combination with actual academic text, is it ok to use company websites and personal websites when used in combination with other sources? Or can they never be used? (should the articles i found on wikipedia be notified?)

I'm new to wikipedia and eager to learn. SWalton91 (talk) 18:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

SWalton, welcome to the Teahouse. Use of company and/or personal websites is ok in limited circumstances, for example, to establish non-controversial facts like date of founding, but as Wikipedia wants to establish the notability of the company then the evidence needs to be from reliable Independent sources which indicate how the company is at least acknowledged, if not well regarded by the rest of the world. NtheP (talk) 18:29, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Company and personal websites are known as primary sources. As Nthep has said, primary sources can be used to verify non-controversial details, but cannot be used to demonstrate a subject's notability. Self-published primary sources are not considered reliable, which is why Wikipedia favours secondary, and to a lesser degree, tertiary sources..--xanchester (t) 18:37, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou both User:Nthep and User:Xanchester So, correct me if i'm wrong, you're allowed to use their websites for information such as specific facts, dates of founding/performances and information only they can provide like how a piece was devised. For the rest of your article you should rely on secondary sources, articles written about the company from someone not involved with them. Your help is most useful, SWalton91 (talk) 19:38, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

That's correct, but only secondary and tertiary sources can be used as evidence of notability, and there must be significant coverage of the subject. A detailed article profiling the subject by the New York Times, for example. Trivial mentions by sources are usually not sufficient enough to meet the guidelines. Hope that helps,--xanchester (t) 21:09, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

To help you out, I found some usable sources for you on the Plaintext Players. The Routledge Companion to English Language Studies published by Taylor & Francis, Women, Art, and Technology published by MIT Press, and Cyberpl@y: Communicating Online published by Bloomsbury. The subject does seem to be notable, but the page just needs more citations.--xanchester (t) 21:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Xanchester Thank you very much that's incredibly useful, i'm going to be updating it on my sandbox tomorrow morning between 09.00 and 12.00 GMT and will provide you with a link. Your continued advice would be very helpful. SWalton91 (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Xanchester I've now updated the initial overview of the Plaintext Players with more reliable sources (academic texts rather than personal websites). I'm about to undertake a section which details brief descriptions of their work, unfortunately the main source would be the company's website http://yin.arts.uci.edu/~players/, do you believe it would be allowed as a reliable source as it is conveying facts rather than subjective opinions on whether it's good or not. I learn as I do, SWalton91 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

With caution, primary sources can be used, as long as the content is neutral and impartially written. Basic facts are fine, but analysis requires secondary sources. For further reading, see Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Keep up the good work, and cheers,--xanchester (t) 11:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

User: Xanchester Thank you very much. Basically you just need to keep it factual yet simple. Just make sure you have sources.

Yolofamicom22 (talk) 23:48, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/KAT-TUN_no_Sekaiichi_Dame_na_Yoru!

Hi, This is the page i'm currently trying to add. Now I get the FB, wiki page etc don't count. But why is this still rejected when I've added 3 Reliable Sources, all TV shows that have talked about everything I've added. I've seen many pages on wiki with less or none. So can someone please tell me exactly what it is I need to make this page happen? TraditionalCow (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! First of all, there are three references that aren't formatted right. There are two ways to fix this. 1) Have all of the references as inline citations, and then put {{reflist}} at the end (strongly recommended). 2) Have all of them formatted, without <ref> tags, at the bottom under a level 2 "references" heading. If you'd like me to go fix this, I can see if I can when I have time, just ask. Otherwise, the TBS page is not a reliable source for this, as it is related to the subject. Also, the other "Johnny's Net" source looks to me to be either related to the subject, or a fan-blog, if I'm wrong correct me (I don't read Japanese..) Other than that, the article itself could use a little more content, but it's certainly getting there! Thanks for sticking with it! gwickwire | Leave a message 03:45, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your help. I had issues trying to work out how those three are to be formatted, I learn more from seeing rather than reading on how too. So if you don't mind that would be great please. Johnny's Net is an official page, I guess talent agency may be the correct term, so I guess its related to the group (I don't get how these are not reliable sources considering its the best source, especially for times, dates etc. but whatever). There isn't much more I can add, I was just hoping to get the page going so others that are better at Japanese then me can fill in the stuff that I can't. Several people have been talking about wanting to do a page but didn't want to mess around at this stage, and I understand now why I won't be doing it again. Thanks again for your help its greatly appreciated. TraditionalCow (talk) 04:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

timeline

How long does it take for an article to be approved/ go live? BigInk (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, BigInk. There is a large backlog, so expect to wait at least a week or longer. We're actually quite on top of it at the moment though - at one time there were more than 1300 items pending review! Rcsprinter (natter) @ 20:45, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

missing entry?

Hi there, I've created a new article under the title "Mavi Marmara Trial", and submitted it for review. I saw the note that says it may take a few days to be reviewed, which is ok. But I can't see my article under "my contributions" or "my sandbox". When I refresh the submit page, it seems as if nothing has ever been written. Is this normal? Where can I find my article? How do I know if it's really awaiting review for approval? Thanks! Silik seksek cizgisi (talk) 19:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. It may have been deleted via speedy deletion, especially if it was created in the article space. When creating a draft article, it's best to start it in the user space, or as a subpage of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. Hope that helps,--xanchester (t) 19:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Silik, just wanted add something here. It sounds like you did, in fact, submit the article for review under Articles for Creation. If you didn't, let us know. Otherwise, the only thing I can think of was that you might have created the article under a different account? If you did create the article through normal means, the current article for Mavi Marmara Trial has been deleted twice as its content is already duplicated in a section under Gaza flotilla raid. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 19:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Expanding on what Jethrobot has said, if the deleted Mavi Marmara Trial article is the one you're looking for, you can request an undeletion to restore the content and userfy it as a draft article. Once the content has been recovered, moved into the user space, and expanded to the point that it no longer qualifies for WP:CSD#A10 (for recently created articles that duplicate an existing topic), consider submitting it for AfC again. Cheers,--xanchester (t) 19:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Notifications of the deletion were given at User talk:Deniz Duman and User talk:Ceren Akinn, so the implication is that the articles were created by different accounts, neither being the original questioner here. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Having own edits deleted

Hi, I accidentally edited a wiki page without logging in. Since this saves your IP address, this is a problem for me. How do I get those edits erased from the history page in order to safeguard my privacy? Fordx12 (talk) 13:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. You will need to request a Wikipedia:Revision deletion by either contacting one of the administrators listed in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests (through email or by talk page) or on IRC via #wikipedia-en-revdel ^connect. Hope that helps,--xanchester (t) 13:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Fordx12 (talk) 13:40, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

how to make a template

Hello. My name is yolofamiom22. How do you make a template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yolofamicom22 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! What sort of template are you trying to make? There are navigational temples, known as navboxes, infobox templates, and others. If you're trying to make a navbox template, as an example, it's easier to fill out the parameters for {{navbox}} than to start a template from scratch.--xanchester (t) 00:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Yolofamicomm22, Templates are created just like any other page on Wikipedia but are part of the Template namespace. You create one by naming your new page Template:name of your template. As templates can be quite complicated there are a number of places you can experiment before committing your page. These are the Template sandbox and the templates X1, X2, X3, X4, X5, X6, X7, X8 and X9. NtheP (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Quality upgrade for article?

My current project is macaw pages. I've added about 95% of the content to the Spix's Macaw page, and note that it was pretty anemic, graded "Start Quality". Can anyone tell me if it's good enough to be "Better Quality", whatever that gets? Sbalfour (talk) 01:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! With the exception of the highest grades (FA-class, A-class, and GA-class articles), article grades are determined by WikiProject members individually. For further information on the criteria for each quality grade, see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. Based on a cursory glance of the article, I agree that it certainly isn't a Start article at this point. If you desire a detailed reassessment, consider contacting the WikiProject talk page, in this case, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds.--xanchester (t) 01:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Sbalfour. There's actually a WikiProject Birds Assessment group. Add your article to the list and you should get a reasonably quick response. You can also nominate the article for Good Article classification but there's quite a backlog there. I quickly scanned of your improved article and it's close to GA and should easily pass with a few tweaks and perhaps a bit of attention by a member of the Guild of Copy Editors. I know I can never find flaws that I inject in articles on which I work but those folks find 'em and fix 'em. Take care, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ·cont) Join WER

disambig at top of page

Hi there. I tried to add another disambig link at the top of the Matangi page but it didn't come out right, could someone fix it for me please? Thanks. Tooironic (talk) 23:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Done--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 23:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Looks like someone beat me to it though, but we got it done. In that instance, you'd need to use the For template twice, and put each one in its own template. Thanks! gwickwire | Leave a message 23:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse! The {{about}} template allows the inclusion of multiple "for"s. I've replaced the {{for}} templates with the {{about}} template, thus combining the two lines. Hope that helps,--xanchester (t) 23:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Layout overhaul

Hello.

Has there ever been any consideration for some sort of project involving the rearrangement of articles into a uniform structure? That is subject permitted, of course; for example, pages encompassed by a general topic, such as classical liberalism and modern liberalism to political ideologies, would have a specific layout of content.

As it stands, classical liberalism contains the following structure of contents:

1 Core principles 2 History 3 Intellectual sources 3.1 John Locke 3.2 Adam Smith 3.3 Say, Malthus and Ricardo 3.4 Utilitarianism 4 Political economy 5 Free trade and world peace 6 Relationship to modern liberalism 7 See also 8 Notes 9 References

However, modern social liberalism contains the following layout of contents:

1 Origins 1.1 United Kingdom 1.2 Germany 1.3 France 1.4 United States 2 Implementation 2.1 United Kingdom 2.2 Rest of Europe 2.3 United States 3 Reversal 4 Active social liberal parties and organizations 5 Historical social liberal parties and organizations 6 Notable social liberal thinkers 7 See also 8 Notes 9 References 10 Further reading

Would I be within my rights, provided that all information (unless found incorrect or irrelevant) remains within the article, to restructure the articles, and, of course, others, to a peer assessed template that would allow a consistent layout of information for readers? This would imply I have the time to meticulously recreate a convoluted encyclopaedic article; hypothetically, though, just so I know for future reference!

Thank you. YoungPhoenix638 (talk) 22:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi YoungPhoenix and welcome to the Teahouse. I imagine there is some sort of consensus, but I would check at the Politics Wiki-Project. If you'd like, I can find this out for you, or you can ask at their talk page. Go Phightins! 23:05, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've asked the question there and will let you know when I get an answer. Go Phightins! 23:07, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

See, part of what's good about Wikipedia is that we are able to have questions about this! However, before you go and drastically change structures, like Go Phightins! said, you should go to other editors who have edited the article and then determine a consensus that you all can agree with. I wish the best of luck to you! gwickwire | Leave a message 23:08, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Quoting references

Hi

How do I properly reference exact quotes. E.g. On a source I found 'John Doe is a good man' Now I would want to use it exact as is. I'm aware that after the statement I would use <ref>{{cite}}</ref> but do I put the statement in quotes or...?

Secondly is referencing in my own words allowed? E.g. Source: 'John doe was a bad man and killed 10 people' My words... John doe was a serial killer.(Reference tag).— Preceding unsigned comment added by Airbender3 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Airbender3, those are some really great questions!

For the first, your formatting is correct as you note, and generally you would follow the standard of WP:Citation and just include the basics like author, title, publisher, date as shown. There are also automated citation creators at the top of your editing screen, or outside-wiki apps like reftag.appspot.com that can format GoogleBooks URLs into footnotes. If the source is available online, definitely hyperlink the title to it so others can go check the source as needed. People don't usually include specific quotes, but if it's a controversial issue it might save fighting to quote a very short and specific snippet. Say, for example, that it was commonly believed John Smith started out playing guitar in rock bands, but a very reputable book notes he was a bassist in his very first band, for that you might have a standard citation to the book, and at the end of the footnote include "- But Smith didn't realize the appeal of the lead guitar until 1975, having spent a year plodding away on bass with The Blue Jackals in Bristol until he quit that band and formed his own."
Secondly, yes you can paraphrase, but carefully. Your example is actually one you shouldn't do, because serial killer is a very technical term, so you don't want to go there unless a police agency, psychologist, or experienced crime writer applied that label. A better example would be the book says "John Doe killed 15 victims, some with knives, other with guns, others with a tennis racket", and you would simplify that for brevity and say "Doe used a variety of weapons in his murders."

Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I understand what you mean by the serial killer situation. It is an error I'm sure many could make. I haven't seen the automated citation creators. Maybe I was not paying attention :x. And I never thought of sourcing Google Books.. Thanks!!Airbender3 (Talk)

GoogleBooks is a huge resource for a ton of subjects, and easy to autoformat with Reftag. GoogleNews Archive is also good for anything where you're looking for media coverage. Honestly, when helping folks source articles, "go to gBooks" is one of my most common suggestions. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding pictures to an Article...

I'm a bit confused as to how to add pictures to an article. It seems you have to download a picture into commons first. And once it's accepted , can you add to article ?

Many Thanx !!Speak4u (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the teahouse. To upload an image, use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. If you are the author of the image, and are willing to grant anyone the permission to use it however they want, go ahead and upload the image to Wikimedia Commons. Use of Commons is recommended, but the file must be free. However, if the image is copyrighted, please keep in mind Wikipedia's guidelines on non-free images. Copyrighted images must have a valid rationale indicating that the image qualifies for fair use. Once the image is uploaded, insert the file name into the article by using [[File:Filename.png|thumb|Caption]].--xanchester (t) 15:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

My submission was deleted

Hi - I recently submitted an article for inclusion under the main title of Video Editing Software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software

The title was trakAxPC

The article was deleted. In the list above there are many software titles that are discontinued and others that are for professionals with a small user base. Other articles in this list (such as Sony_Vegas_Pro /Final Cut Pro) have a definite positive slant in the descriptions, but have remained completely untouched.

trakAxPC has a large and growing user base of beginners users and could be compared to VideoPad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoPad). Can I get further information on why this article was deleted?

Many thanks,

Catriona Catrionabarry (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Catrionabarry. The reasoning behind the deletion is expounded at the deletion discussion page. Basically, it was felt that insufficient coverage in independent sources existed to pass the basic inclusion guidelines - Wikipedia only hosts articles about topics that have been covered sufficiently elsewhere first. Having looked at the deleted version of tha article, it also appears slightly promotional in tone, extolling the features of software without really saying anything meaningful (for example: "a multimedia creative and management solution with professional standard tools which are supported with comprehensive video tutorials and help centre", "aimed at the beginner user, but has many of the features associated with professional applications" - statements like these belong on a corporate website, not in an encyclopedia).

If you wanted to recreate the article, the most important thing to do is to find some reliable sources which are unaffiliated with TrakaxPC and which talk about it - either positively or negatively - in some detail. A few such sources would suffice to pass the notability requirements; you can can then focus on content. Unless you can create a version of the page which addresses the issues raised in the deletion discussion, I'm afraid that it isn't likely to get an entry here. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello

I just created an awards and nomination table for this article Idris Elba, however the table does not appear when it saved but it does appear when it is previewed. (Monkelese (talk) (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. In which section are you attempting to add a table? Go Phightins! 02:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I see that the content in the section where your edit summary indicates you were looking to add organizes the content into columns, but were you trying to make it comparable to the other tables? Go Phightins! 02:21, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I just created the table like how every awards and nomination section is created, however I cant figure out what I did wrong while organizing it. The table lines are not appearing.(Monkelese (talk) 02:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC))

Well, this isn't my area of expertise, but I can take a look. No promises though :) Go Phightins! 02:54, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Bizarre, I got the same thing you did...it shows up in show preview but not in save page. I am stumped. Can another host mess around with it please who has more expertise in this area? Go Phightins! 03:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I copied the table to my sandbox, and it worked there. This is strange. Go Phightins! 03:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea...I copied it from my sandbox back to the article and it didn't work. I'm out of ideas. So if someone else could take this over, I would appreciate it. Go Phightins! 03:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorted, or at least I hope so. The table formatting you both did was fine but at the start of the preceding, discography, section there was an unpaired {{col begin}} meaning from there on the software was trying to parse the text into a column. Remove that errant template and job done. NtheP (talk) 06:56, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Birth and Death locations

Are birth and death locations supposed to be the location of the place where someone happened to be when they were born or died (usually a hospital), or wouldn't it be more accurate to use the place of residence immediately after birth or before death? --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 12:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Wikitiki! To be honest, I agree the locations are sometimes slightly inconsequential. But you can get around the problem by saying, for example "XX was born on [date] and brought up/raised in YY", or simply "XX lived in YY" or "XX spent their last few years in YY before he suffered a heart attack and died on [date]" etc. Of course, statements about dates/places of birth need to be reliably sourced and verifiable so, in general, I would stick to whatever the source says. Sionk (talk) 13:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but I guess that would have to be left of of the infobox on the right. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 13:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It is not compulsory to fill in every entry on the Infobox so I suppose if you think the info is inconsequential or misleading you can leave it out. You could always put the county or state name instead. If the person was born or died whilst on holiday it may be an interesting fact to place in the body of the article. In the developed world people often get born or die in hospitals so it is just a fact of life these days. We can put as much or as little weight on the information as we choose. Sionk (talk) 13:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikitiki, don't get too hung up on how specific, town is normally the lowest level of information supplied in infoboxes. If you don't have the info at that level in most cases I wouldn't bother adding it. NtheP (talk) 15:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

But if I do have all the info, which one should I add? That's what I'm asking. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 15:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

As I said I'd stick at town. NtheP (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

But which town, the one where the hospital is or the one where they lived at the time? --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 18:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know which to use, but I do know that the article on Madonna only mentions the city (Bay City) in which she was born, making no mention of the the fact that the family was only visiting there (http://www.biography.com/people/madonna-9394994). Kdammers (talk) 04:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Wikitiki! Thanks for bringing your questions to Teahouse, where we all can learn from it. IMHO, the place of birth or death would be a matter of consensus on each individual article. Sorry there isn't a clearer answer. My suggestion: BE BOLD! Put in whichever you find more appropriate, and if somebody disagrees with you, you can discuss it at the article's talk page. I grew up in a town that did not have a hospital, and I know that to a man, every person listed on the Notable people section of the article on my town were in fact born in the nearby city. Gtwfan52 (talk) 01:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. I just wanna try to be fair to the small towns that don't have hospitals. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 07:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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Can someone add a <BR> to the start of Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions-answer? 77.166.70.218 (talk) 07:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Anbu121! 77.166.70.218 (talk) 07:59, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Good find. I am perplexed seeing the way it is transcluded --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Disney and 007

I having a chat about 007. I think the last James Bond film to be distributed by Sony Pictures was 'Skyfall'. Disney will have one next in 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackFM (talk • contribs) 03:17, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jack, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure if you are asking a question or not. If you are, could you clarify what it is you need help with? If you're not asking a question, this isn't the place to speculate about future films. In fact, nowhere on Wikipedia is it really appropriate to guess about what will happen in the future. I've noticed on your Articles for Creation pages that there are no sources presently. Just to give you a heads-up, you're going to need sources to support the claims in those articles. If you have some, and aren't sure how to put them in the article, let me know. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 03:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Page breaks in a 'book'

Thank you for your time and patience. Is it possible to force each article in a book to start on a new page? (Published as e-pub).Mdscottis (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't really understand your request. Are you talking about a Wikipedia Book, or an electronic book you have bought for your Kindle or other device? gwickwire | Leave a message 03:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Making my draft page "live"

I have created a page for one of my classes at LSU and I was wondering what I should do about making my page live. I started with copying an existing page to my draft that I felt could use some work and now that I'm close to finished I was wanting to put it out there for all to see. I'm not sure how I am supposed to go about doing this.

Should I paste my page over the existing one? Or do I just make it live somehow and the editors will make the changes? Any info would be wonderful! Thanks in advance! EJR (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey EJR and welcome to Wikipedia! The avenue I would recommend for moving your article to mainspace (or making it "live") would be by submitting it to the Articles for creation page. There, a reviewer will check over it and make any last minute changes or suggestions and then move it into article space (or make it live) for you. That would be my recommendation, but if you wish, you may simply copy-paste it into the corresponding redlinked page in mainspace, but there's a far greater risk of deletion if you do that as opposed to going through AFC, where the worst thing that can happen is that your submission is declined and you'll be given specific suggestions for improvement. I apologize for the rambling response, but those are the two options for making your page live. Thanks again for dropping by the Teahouse. Go Phightins! 01:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

A quick addendum, assuming the article in question is on slow earthquakes, I think that it'd easily be accepted at AFC if you choose to go that route. Go Phightins! 01:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)