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June 25[edit]

Template:Sambalpur University[edit]

Navbox with one link. DB1729talk 22:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 07:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That said, there are more links that could be added if this is wanted. Sambalpur University Institute of Information Technology, List of colleges affiliated to the Sambalpur University, Gangadhar National Award For Poetry. Might be more found in the category. Gonnym (talk) 07:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or add more links?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 23:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Southeastern Conference starting quarterbacks navbox[edit]

The NFL navbox of its type is listed here and makes a good argument that applies here. These navboxes are likely to not be updated weekly. It has Spencer Rattler listed as the South Carolina Gamecocks quarterback despite being drafted by the New Orleans Saints and editors at the college football WikiProject have noted that some players have entered the transfer portal. As it sits it is the only template of its kind collegiately and should not be replicated and this template should be deleted. UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline of the Mexican Revolution[edit]

This timeline template is not transcluded but linked to and used as an unreferenced article page. Replace links with a link to Timeline of Mexican history and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline of iOS device support[edit]

Unused iOS timelime. Gonnym (talk) 18:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline UNTV Cup[edit]

Unused basketball timeline. Gonnym (talk) 18:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timeline ECHL[edit]

Unused hockey league timeline. Gonnym (talk) 18:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Titan implosion[edit]

Unused sidebar which duplicates Template:Titan submersible implosion. Gonnym (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Military history/aclass[edit]

Unused sub template after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 18:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Richard Wagner/doc[edit]

Unused as parent uses |DOC=auto. Gonnym (talk) 18:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dancing with the Stars (American TV series)/doc[edit]

Unused as parent uses {{Navbox documentation}}. Gonnym (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Latest stable software release/Opera Mini[edit]

Unused and out-of-date. Main article contains up-to-date version. Hexware (talk) 18:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies[edit]

Propose merging Template:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies with Template:WikiProject History.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies was merged into WP:WikiProject History, so the banner should be merged as well. Gonnym (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were already merged, but then MSGJ reverted it; please see the talk page discussion of Template talk:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies#Duplicate banners resulting from merge. I don't think we really need a separate discussion here as the consensus for the merge (of the WikiProjects) is already there, it's just a question of how we do it technically. It would be great if you could withdraw this nomination so I can re-do the merge without the bot edit warring with me. – Joe (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a merge and the history of Template:WikiProject History doesn't show any new code there either. Part of the reason we have TfD is to make sure merges happen correctly with minimal cleanup after. Gonnym (talk) 14:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's the projects that are being merged. Both are just standard WikiProject banners; no code needs to be merged. It's a routine process detailed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces#Converting_existing_projects_to_task_forces. – Joe (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't correct and point 3 there should be more clear about it. Basically, if you redirect one template to another, you aren't merging anything the redirected template did.
If you wanted to preserve Category:WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies and its articles sub-categories (which aren't tagged for deletion, so it seems you are), then redirecting the template does not do that. If your intention is to delete those categories then in that case redirecting one template to another is also incorrect as that can lead to two identical templates on a same page, which we've recently eliminated with a group effort. Instead, a bot (TfD has one) should replace the usages while making sure there aren't duplicates left.
If you do actually mean to merge the code of Ancient Germanic studies into the History banner so that the article categories are kept populated then that template needs to be updated to accept the new parameters and then a bot needs to replace the template with again making sure there aren't duplicates left. Gonnym (talk) 22:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mate, I've been editing for nineteen years, can you give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that if the wording I use isn't clear, it's not because you need to condescendingly explain the difference between redirecting and merging to me? When I say merge, I mean the WikiProjects are being merged, not necessarily the individual templates. Maybe I didn't make that clear in the edit summaries, mea culpa. It doesn't mean you need to assume I'm an idiot.
We don't need to preserve the categories or its subcategories. We don't need to preserve any parameters that aren't already in the target. The problem with duplicated templates is acknowledged, covered in the instructions I've just linked you to, and I've already said in the discussion I linked to you that I intend to follow those instructions and submit a bot request when the process is finished. Ditto for the category deletions. This discussion isn't exactly getting us closer to that point.
Now, do you have any actual objections to proceeding to redirect {{WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies}} to {{WikiProject History}}? Or can we go ahead and close this? – Joe (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are about a thousand uses of this template, and eventually, we will need to consolidate those. Everything currently tagged with this template ought to end up with a single copy of the larger group's template. Once it's settled and stable, the cats will be empty and can be deleted as {{db-catempty}}. However, it doesn't all have to be done on the same day. There are benefits to being slow about this, as it gives editors an opportunity to understand what's happening. If we did everything quickly, some people would go to sleep on Monday night thinking that nothing was happening, and wake up Tuesday morning to discover that the page/tool/cat/template they were silently relying on had suddenly disappeared. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you've explained that you don't want to preserve the category system, then I finally have an understanding what you mean. So no need to merge, nor redirect. Just replace the nominated template with Template:WikiProject History with a simple bot run. Once that's done, delete the template and categories.
To WhatamIdoing, while I can see the benefit in going slow in some parts of the project, not when it comes to things like this. Once you get consensus for something (that part is what you take the time to make sure editors have enough time to know what is happening), you need to see it through in the least amount of time to cause the least amount of issues. Gonnym (talk) 14:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I have just reverted a similiar redirect at Template:WikiProject Colonialism. Should that be considered here too? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That depends, @MSGJ. Did you revert it because you are an active member of that particular group of editors who just accidentally missed the merge proposal for the last six weeks, but now you want to keep that group separate and try to WP:REVIVE the group?
    Or did you have another reason? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I do not oppose a merge of the projects (indeed I support such merges) and have confirmed as much to Joe. But I want to ensure that the right actions happen with the templates. We have all the right tools for replacing templates at TfD, and I don't understand the opposition to using TfD. As you stated above, there is no rush to complete this, so a week in TfD should not be a problem? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore the original redirect, since no substantive argument against doing so has been provided, merely procedural arguments. This can sit in the holding cell while people work out what's best to do. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Novovolynsk[edit]

No transclusions. A navbox with only one link. Created in 2015, not edited since 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jimbo Wales[edit]

No transclusions or documentation. Created in April 2024. FWIW, the creator has been blocked for abusive editing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EU-112[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Legifrance/CT and other subpages[edit]

Subpage with no transclusions or incoming links. Created in early 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the infrastructure for planned template functionality expansion. Userfied. Mathglot (talk) 01:43, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Continental Asia in 200 CE[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in early 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please keep , it's part of a series, and it will be used at some point. पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This template is part of a series of over thirty template maps of Continental Asia across different time periods. I know I've seen this one transcluded in an infobox before, early in article development prior to replacement by a newly created more specific map template.
    Our encyclopaedic coverage of circa 200 CE Asia history topics is not yet particularly thorough, and it would be a shame to discard this work just because it's currently unused.
    In general and as a set, I think all templates in this series should be kept whether or not they have any transclusions at the moment. I think my memories of how this template was previously used could be extrapolated to future use cases: templates from this series are transcluded until a more specific map is located or created, if ever. Just because the usage is temporary doesn't mean that it's not useful. Folly Mox (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tunisian Women's Football Cup[edit]

No transclusions or blue links in this navbox. Created in mid-2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Formation of the Liberal Party of Australia[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in mid-2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SNTF[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in mid-2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EST-jc[edit]

No transclusions, documentation, categories, or incoming links. Created in late 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:List redirects[edit]

No transclusions, categories, or incoming links. Created in January 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has several transclusions. @Jonesey95: was this a misclick? jp×g🗯️ 17:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see them. Gonnym (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None are listed in the usual place. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone removed them in between when I wrote that comment and now. I don't know what to tell you -- I made it so that template documentation could list redirects to the template, and I had it on several doc pages. I guess I can go add it on them again. jp×g🗯️ 17:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Polish-Moldavian Wars[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in January 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EIDR[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. Created in January 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are 222980 records in wikidata with the property that template presents, the thing itself is an ID for identify media that is not tied into a particular vendor or platform, if effort is needed, it is it promoting EIDR not in dismantling the infrastructure around it Back ache (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete template is of little use. It would be used to add an external link to articles, however the link in reality really adds little value to the articles. The basic information is already in the articles, and providing IDs solely for other databases and streaming platforms isn't of any use to the vast majority of article readers. Anyway the link itself per WP:EL needs to be immediately useful and they aren't. Additionally it seems to provide nothing that isn't already what Wikidata's point is which renders it a pointless duplicate link. Canterbury Tail talk 00:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ouch :-( Back ache (talk) 08:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't seem to be useful for the reader? The creator is now mass adding them to film articles, with no explanation. Mike Allen 00:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to show by example some of the articles it covers, it also has the potential to me more than just a link template because as an industry wide ID there maybe microdata that could be added Back ache (talk) 07:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should be rewritten as a catalog id template for citations, rather than for use in external links (which no one uses templates for anyway). See my comment below. SamuelRiv (talk) 09:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In regard to external link templates, there are some very popular ones for example youtube, twitter, linkedin etc the advantage with using them is as a platform evolves (as is currently happening rapidly with twitters transformation into "X") if the surrounding URL's change, just a change to the template is needed. Your point about transforming it into a citation template makes sense Back ache (talk) 11:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mountains of Argentina[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links. This could be converted to a list article if such a list is desired. Created in January 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:OJEU[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With catalog id templates, the purpose is to have a uniform replacement for entries in the |id= field of CS1 templates (there are many of this variety, until/unless CS1 adopts a specific field for that catalog). As build-it-and-they-will-come doesn't work (and it seems a lot of people are confused as to the point of catalog id templates, and I've had two erroneously rewritten into citation templates), the best option is to use an AWB script to convert OJ url citations automatically. I am extremely busy this summer, but the script should be quick to at least populate a few transclusions. SamuelRiv (talk) 09:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ODCC[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions about this template. Created in 2013 and listed as deprecated in its documentation since 2013. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:OBOD[edit]

No transclusions. It is unclear if this was made as a joke around the time when the OBOD went away, but it is not useful and does not appear to work as designed. Created in 2013. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Piano[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2011. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pre-wrap[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2015. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rail line four routes and one sibling template[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2013. Possibly superseded by Module:Adjacent stations and its more modern ilk. From the amount of usage of the other templates in this family, it appears that they are slowly being replaced as articles are updated. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Read parameter name[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by MSGJ (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 21:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No transclusions, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2020. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Revisiondate[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in mid-2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this template always substed? Folly Mox (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:State parks of Nevada map[edit]

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2011. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Towns of Bornholm[edit]

No transclusions. Appears to have been superseded by {{Bornholm Denmark}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2026 FIFA World Cup knockout stage bracket[edit]

Per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 December 6#FIFA World Cup knockout stage bracket templates, a separate template is not necessary when this is used on only two articles. Transclusion has been standard for recent tournaments, and the wikitext for the bracket isn't even that long. S.A. Julio (talk) 03:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ulster Rally[edit]

Navbox with one blue link. DB1729talk 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I could wear the template as a statement of intent if there was a realistic change of those links turning blue imminently, but they've sat in red for fourteen years. UndercoverClassicist T·C 15:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]