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Draft Eisenhower movement[edit]

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The article is about the Draft Eisenhower movement, which eventually persuaded General Dwight D. Eisenhower to run for the presidency in 1952. The famous campaign slogan "I Like Ike" was associated with this movement. The article passed its GA review, and I feel that it is comprehensive, but concise. Would appreciate any suggestions on prose and citations. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 11:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Hawkeye7[edit]

  • Dwight Eisenhower enrolled at the United States Military Academy at West Point, New York in June 1911 You don't enrol at West Point; you are appointed by a politician. Suggest "entered", although probably best to skip entry and just say that he graduated in 1915 with the class the stars fell on.
  • Following the war, he served under several notable generals Really just one: Douglas MacArthur.
  • He was responsible for planning and supervising several key wartime operations, including the invasions of North Africa (1942), Sicily (1943), and France, along with the 1944–45 allied advance from Paris to the Rhine along the Western Front. He didn't plan them, and I would leave out everything after 1943, as this is covered in the next sentence. Consider adding the Allied invasion of Italy.
  • In the second paragraph, I would move the Montgomery quote to the second sentence, and Montgomery was a field marshal. So it should be "Field Marshal Lord Montgomery"
  • The text is a little jumbled; Eisenhower served as Chief of Staff from 1945 to 1948, then left to become president of Columbia University from 1948 until 1950. Five star generals theoretically don't retire, but he was recalled in 1950 to head NATO.
  • "Due to his notoriety" Wrong word; "notoriety" means "the state of being famous or well known for some bad quality or deed". That wasn't the case.
  • "President Truman" -> President Harry S. Truman Full name, with link on first appearance.
  • "Democratic and Republican Party" -> "Democratic and Republican Parties" plural. Also, link them. They don't have them anywhere else in the world.
  • "and politician" -> "and politicians" Plural again.
  • "mostly unopposed" What does that mean? Unopposed in most primaries?
    • Yes; Truman faced very little opposition in the primaries, though his candidacy was opposed by Dixiecrats in the Convention. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Amid President Truman's low popularity" Nothing wrong here, but this is an understatement; Truman was the least popular president in history. Less popular than Johnson at the height of Vietnam, Nixon at the height of Watergate, or Donald Trump at, well, his entire presidency. Mainly because Truman managed to combine the attributes of all three with his unpopular war, rampant corruption and general ineptitude.
    • I included his approval ratings (22% in 1952). Though, Truman's approval ratings were low even during the 1948 election, but he did win! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • An important part of this story is missing; you need to mention the role of General Lucius D. Clay in persuding Eisenhower to run as a Republican. See Smith, Jean Edward. Lucius D. Clay: An American Life
    • Borrowed the book from Internet Archive.  Doing....... – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have read the chapter, and have included things which I felt were important. Thanks for your suggestion! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link New Hampshire presidential primary
  • "Eisenhower asked to be relieved of his NATO assignment and soon retired from the military" That's not right. Eisenhower retired from the military after winning the 1952 presidential election, though his rank as General of the Army was restored by an act of Congress in March 1961

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 – I believe I have addressed all your concerns. Do let me know if there are any other suggestions. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to support. I've done a minor copyedit. Well done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Ian[edit]

A nice, succinct article. I copyedited so let me know any concerns there -- overall I found prose and layout fine.

Query/suggestion -- Finishing the article with the nomination and presidential win is logical but I'm wondering if anything might be said in an 'aftermath' or 'legacy' section -- for instance do any sources discuss the impact on subsequent elections of this movement, or indeed on Ike's presidency?

I have now added a paragraph on Aftermath and legacy of the draft. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Tks, I think that ties up the article quite well. One thing though: after being perused by various Republican leaders through another Draft movement, he agreed to run for the re-election -- my understanding of "perused" is essentially "looked at", which sounds a bit odd, do we mean "persuaded" or "encouraged"? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that is a typo ... Replaced with "persuaded". – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 11:27, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, happy to support now. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

All licencing looks fine but I can't find the source for File:I like Ike (cropped).jpg.

Added the archived link. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Sources appear reliable, although I'd have thought we could find a better one than the Military Memorial Museum for its sole citation. Not saying anything wrong with it but doesn't exactly appear scholarly. Couldn't spot any obvious formatting errors.

Replaced the Military Memorial Museum citation with a better one.

Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian Rose – I have made all the changes. Hope that addressed your comments. Thanks for copy editing. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Ian Rose – Just a courtesy ping that I had made the changes. Is the image/source review passed? Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, happy with images and sourcing. Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HF - Support[edit]

Will look at this one. Hog Farm Talk 14:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "and placed Eisenhower's name in the New Hampshire primary ballot without Eisenhower's permission." - Clarify if this was the Democratic or Republican one
  • "Eisenhower was responsible for supervising several key wartime operations, including the invasions of North Africa in 1942 and Sicily and Italy in 1943" - state directly this is WWII
  • Link 1948 United States presidential election somewhere in the Eisenhower boom section
  • "detailing state of the campaign and noted the dates of the upcoming state conventions" - detailing the state of the campaign?
  • Recommend a better source than history.com, especially if you plan on taking this to FAC. That specific piece is probably fine, but history.com/History Channel has developed a bad reputation due to publishing fringe crap like
  • All of the external links are popping up as 404 deadlinks for me
  • Should this be in Category:1948 in American politics?

Looking pretty good; if this is going to FAC might recommend trying to borrow a copy of Pickett from a library, as it seems to be a significant work in the field. Hog Farm Talk 05:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm – Thanks a lot! Will see what I can do about that book. Rest, I have addressed all your concerns. Do let me know if there's anything else. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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