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Operation Trio[edit]

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (send... over)


I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it has recently undergone a GAN review and I consider it ready for ACR. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:45, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Comment: is there a contemporaneous map (perhaps of the NDH)? I found it a bit hard to contextualise the area of operation with only modern boundaries. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

G'day, the short answer is no. I have asked a couple of editors that have done map work for articles I've worked on before, but no dice thus far. The eastern boundary of the NDH and the current eastern B&H border are essentially the same (ie the Drina). Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:54, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I am hopeful this will be done soon. The editor in question is working on another map and hopefully will do this location map next. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 04:46, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We now have a template and map for the NDH (both lots of borders). I've substituted the map, let me know what you think? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Better - is there any way to make it smaller without losing the detail? Also, what's the dashed line? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've explained the dashed line (the Vienna line, between the Italian and German zones), and reduced the map slightly, but any more and I'll have to start removing the locator pogs. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've tinkered with the original map and cropped it down to the eastern NDH and reduced it to 200px. What do you think? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Much better. I'm sorry this got bogged down over a single map. (A scale would be a further improvement.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem at all. I got to learn how to create location map templates, always happy when I learn something new. Happy with the images now? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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    • No dab links [1] (no action required).
    • External links check out [2] (no action required).
    • A couple of the images lack Alt Text [3] so you might consider adding it for consistency (suggestion only - not an ACR requirement).
    • The Citation Check Tool reveals no issues with reference consolidation (no action required)
    • Images are all PD or licenced and seem appropriate to the article (no action required)
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    • "General Bader was named tactical commander of the combined forces...", should just be "Bader was named tactical commander...", rm rank following previously formally introducing subject per WP:SURNAME.
    • "overall command of the Italian Second Army, commanded by General Roatta...", just "Roatta" as above.
    • This seems a little awkward to me: "The original planned start date of 15 April was pushed back when the Italians had problems transporting to their start positions and later had trouble establishing lines of communication across the Adriatic." Specifically "...Italians had problems transporting to their start positions...". Perhaps consider something like: "The original planned start date of 15 April was pushed back when the Italians had problems moving to their start positions and later had trouble establishing lines of communication across the Adriatic due to a lack of transport." (suggestion only)
    • "In the wake of Francetić's offensive, the Germans moved pre-emptively to clear the area...", suggest "In the wake of Francetić's offensive, the Germans pre-emptively moved to clear the area..." (suggestion only)
      • Note: the above four prose issues have been taken care of. - Dank (push to talk) 00:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are a couple of references that don't appear to have corresponding short citations:
      • Burgwyn, H. James (2005). Empire on the Adriatic: Mussolini's Conquest of Yugoslavia 1941–1943. New York: Enigma. ISBN 1-92963-135-9.
      • Ramet, Sabrina P. (2006). The Three Yugoslavias: State-Building and Legitimation, 1918–2004. Indiana University Press. ISBN 0-271-01629-9
    • Unless there are used in an inline citation they should probably be moved to a "Further reading" section. See WP:LAYOUT.
    • Overall this is a concise and well written article, which has been completed with an obvious high degree of attention to detail. Only a couple of minor issues to deal with / discuss that I could see. Anotherclown (talk) 22:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • G'day Anotherclown, all done. I didn't add alt text to the map as I think the caption covers it. Thanks very much for the review. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:45, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. Please check the edit summaries. - Dank (push to talk)

  • Support: just a few nitpicks from me:
    • in the infobox, currently you use the strength field for units, I wonder if this shouldn't be changed
      • I assume you mean to a numerical strength. I've been back through the sources and haven't been able to get figures for the various units involved, so I think listing units is as good as it gets.
        • Sorry, I didn't explain that well. What I meant is that instead of "|strength1= ", you could use "|units1= " to display units instead of strengths. Only a minor point, though. AustralianRupert (talk) 05:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • in the lead, should the quote "confederacy of local warlords" have a citation next to it?
      • whoops, misuse of scare quotes. Fixed.
    • "ten towns and 92 villages" --> "10 towns and 92 villages";
      • Fixed.
    • in the Planning section, the link to the Second Army (Italy) should be moved to the first mention (where you talk about General Mario Roatta);
      • Fixed.
    • in the Further reading section, place of publiction for the Ramet work? AustralianRupert (talk) 06:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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