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SM U-14 (Austria-Hungary)[edit]

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This article is about a French submarine that was captured by Austria-Hungary and had most of its success with Georg Ritter von Trapp (of The Sound of Music fame) at the helm. The sub also sank the largest cargo ship in the world. The article passed a GA review and I think it's ready for A-Class. — Bellhalla (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Five disambig links need to be located and if at all possible fixed. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the dab link tool posting, Tom. I've taken care of four of the dabs. French submarine Curie is in the hatnote at the top of the page as a link to a shipindex page and should remain so. — Bellhalla (talk) 13:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, looks good; a couple of comments:

  • "Curie was laid down at the Arsenal de Toulon and launched on 18 July 1912, and completed by 1914, and commissioned into the French Navy." Take out the and before "completed by 1914," otherwise you have three ands in very quick succession.
  • You use both First World War and World War I. It would be preferable to make these consistent; I suggest First World War.

Other than those minor and optional comments, looks very good. It reads well to me, images are appropriately licensed and placed, seems to cover the topic completely. Well done, Woody (talk) 14:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both were good suggestion and both were implemented. Thanks for taking the time to review. — Bellhalla (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good; the only problem I found was the the image of von Trapp sandwiched with the infobox, but I don't see how that could be avoided and have the image in a logical place with the text, so everything is good. – Joe Nutter 15:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Support Congratulations on a fascinating, well-researched and presented article. At present I can see only one issue preventing my support:

  • Per A2: more complete information on the submarine's post-Trapp history might be good, if sources exist. The sub was in service from 1914 to 1928, but the article only really covers '14-'18 (less than a third of her career). I realise that it was an eventful third, but for completeness it would help to know what use the French made of her once they had her back.
    • Regrettably, there are no sources I have found that give anything about the post-war French service other than what's already included in the article. — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A few additional minor suggestions for further improvement (not A-Class blockers though):

  • "stricken" sounds slightly odd in the lead (stricken with what?). Per WP:JARGON, I think a more 'layman's terms' phrase might be helpful here.
  • "Believing that he had accounted for all of the defensive measures" Perhaps "was now aware of" instead of "had accounted for"? The latter implies O'Byrne took active measures against the defences.
    • Well, he did take measures to avoid the defenses during the attempt at infiltration… — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "When the sounds stopped after a half minute..." The article seems to be in Br-E, so would "half a minute" be more appropriate?
    • I use American English, but have no opinion for the phrase one way or the other. I have changed it. — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The figures for ship tonnage sunk (in various places) have no corresponding conversion template. If this is standard practice on such articles, no problem ;)
    • The tonnage figures for the ships sunk are in gross register tons (which are actually a unit of volume). Typically, gross register tonnage is not converted in ship articles. — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...departed her base in the Ionian Sea under tow by the French armored cruiser Jules Michelet." Is there an appropriate wikilink for "armoured cruiser"?

EyeSerenetalk 20:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I've interspersed specific responses to your comments above. — Bellhalla (talk) 05:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did you save your edits? I'm still seeing the version I reviewed. EyeSerenetalk 09:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently not. :) (But trust me, they were the Best. Edits. Ever.) OK, let's try this again… — Bellhalla (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
<grin> Actually, I responded to your earlier comments expressing my support before I thought "I know it's Bellhalla, but I really ought to double-check..." It brings to mind a story I can only half remember about a monarch heavily criticising a poem/composition and proposing many alterations, and the disappointed author being quietly advised by a courtier to go away and come back in a week without having made any changes, but to say he had; apparently the king was greatly pleased by the 'new' version.
Anyway, I've responded to your comments, and changed to 'support'. Thanks! EyeSerenetalk 13:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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