Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/SM UB-10

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SM UB-10[edit]

Promoted --Eurocopter (talk) 13:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator(s): Bellhalla (talk)

This article is about the first of the German Type UB I submarines of World War I to enter service. The article has passed a GA review and I believe that it fulfills the A-Class requirements. (Note: Shields appears as an ambiguous via the link in the toolbox; I'm not sure if it is North Shields or South Shields which is why I have left it.) — Bellhalla (talk) 14:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but this time I did find one problem: the phrase "were all landed safely.[26]" should not be passive, and should explain what "landed" means...Were they taken prisoner by the U-boat? Escaped in lifeboats to England or Belgium? – Joe N 00:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry it took so long; I had to dig through the news archives. What I found was the sentence "The British steamer Fulgens … has been sunk. The crew has been landed." Typically, this means they were picked up by a non-enemy vessel and taken to some port, somewhere. (If they had all been taken captive—not a common occurrence—a news article would likely have stated that fact.) Given the scant details in the source, I changed the sentence to read …the crew of the ship—UB-10's largest victim to-date[16]—were all saved. which is about as definitive as anyone can be. — Bellhalla (talk) 04:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too bad it isn't covered better, but that change does make it better. – Joe N 22:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Excellent work, as usual. Just a few minor comments/questions:

Do the sources say why the boat was converted to a minelayer? Was it part of a new strategy or campaign?
- Not that can be cited. The implication is that by that time of the war they were pretty much obsolete in terms of offensive capabilities. — Bellhalla (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do the sources give the depth of the water where the boat was scuttled?
- No. From the coordinates provided, it was right off the Zeebrugge Mole, which was apparently deep enough for a British cruiser during the Zeebrugge Raid. Coincidentally, I've not seen anything that says the wreck was raised, nor have I seen anything that says the wreck is still there, either.
I assume that Uboat.net is considered a reliable source, much like CombinedFleet.com.
- Yes, from precedents at FAC it is. — Bellhalla (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You don't have inline citations within the footnotes, which I assume means that each foonote is attributed to the reference cited near it in its parent paragraph.
- Yes, that's correct. Are there any that you think should be cited for clarity? — Bellhalla (talk) 19:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Again, questions on minor points aside, excellent article. Cla68 (talk) 06:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Great article. Minor comments: The second sentence in the intro ("The submarine was scuttled in October 1918") seems out of place chronologically; also, the scuttling is mentioned a second time at the end of the intro anyway. Who rescued the crew of Fulgens - the submarine crew or someone else? Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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