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United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia[edit]

Nominator(s): Tomobe03 (talk)

United Nations Confidence Restoration Operation in Croatia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because it was developed further following its GA review (copyedited once more by GOCE) and I think it meets A-class criteria Tomobe03 (talk) 18:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. - Dank (push to talk)

  • "made no explicit reference to Chapter VI or Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter.": The text should explain the relevance of these chapters.
  • Support on prose per standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 02:36, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the comment - a brief explanation is added now.--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Changed to "would have permitted" (which is best if that's correct). Looks good. - Dank (push to talk) 11:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Are there more images you could add?
  • Could not find any that specific to the topic. Generic images of UN peacekeepers are available, but none of UNCRO specifically.
  • Several external links are dead or have connection issues.
  • Updated a couple of UNGENSEC reports urls, and rescued the rest from wayback machine. All urls reported fine by checklinks now.
  • Please try to use American or British English, not both (ex. centred or criticize)
    I think I got them all now to BE (except one in references, reflecting exact source wording)
  • No DAB's
  • No bad citations
  • May want to seperate ORBAT
  • Give the size of the mission info, I'd rather not - if it is not a dealbreaker here.
Thank you for the comments, cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:11, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support: good work, this looks pretty good to me, although I am not a subject matter expert so I couldn't really check it for content etc. I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 06:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • in the order of battle table, I suggest adding the year to the month as it is not clear whether it is March 1995 or March 1996 you are referring to;
  • Added
  • I found the first paragraph of the "Response to Croatian offensives" a bit awkward. I had a go at copy editing, but wasn't really able to come up with anything better, so it might need another set of eyes, sorry;
  • Had another go at ce of the paragraph - could you have a look to see if it is any better now?
  • in the References, some works have place of publisher and some don't. For instance compare O'Shea with Ramet. If possible, please make this consistent.
  • All book sources now have the location parameter.
Thanks for your comments. Cheers--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Image review: where did you get the data reflected in the map? Nikkimaria (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From Balkan Battlegrounds, Map I: National Battalions in UN Forces in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Early 1993 - I just added that info to the file description at the Commons.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley Miles

  • "South Korean diplomat Byung Suk Min was the civilian head of the mission, while the military commanders of UNCRO were Generals Raymond Crabbe and Eid Kamal Al-Rodan." The generals are red linked but not the head of mission, who seems just as deserving of an article.
    • I'm not quite sure Byung Suk Min meets WP:GNG - please correct me if I'm wrong - and therefore does not merit a standalone article. The pair of generals, on the other hand, satisfy WP:SOLDIER criteria and are (red)linked in consequence.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia". I see that was the legal name at that time, but I think "Serbia and Montenegro" would be clearer for readers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think such a change could lead to confusion of casual readers who might think that the reference is made to the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro rather than the federal republic which preceded it. I am aware there is no substantial difference to most readers, but I also don't see a point in deliberate introduction of an inaccuracy when the FRY term is linked to an article explaining away any doubt. If there's a consensus of all or nearly all reviewers to change this, I'd be more willing to accept such a move, but personally I don't see it contributing to clarity.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • For someone like me who is colour blind, south and west in the map look quite similar. Could one of them be changed to, say, bright red?
  • "In 1990, following the electoral defeat of the Communist regime in Croatia, ethnic tensions worsened." I assume a Croatian nationalist party won and tensions between the Croatian majority and the Serb minority then worsened, but this needs spelling out.
  • "After the elections, the Yugoslav People's Army (Jugoslovenska narodna armija, or JNA) confiscated the weapons of Croatia's Territorial Defence Force (Teritorijalna obrana, or TO) to minimise any resistance." Presumably Serb-controlled JNA and what resistance. Again needs explaining.
  • "allow negotiations by neutralizing any influence caused by fighting" - problems might be a better word than influence.
  • "disarming Croatian Serb elements of the TO, overseeing JNA and HV withdrawal from the UNPAs, and return of refugees to the area." The multiplicity of initials is confusing - is it possible to re-word?
  • This is a first rate article, but I found it difficult to follow due to the excessive use of initials, which I think is unsuitable for an article intended for general readers. I think in many cases they should not be needed - e.g Croatian and Croatian Serb forces could be referred to instead. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your comments. I'll see what can be done right away to cut down a number of initialisms.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support
    • No dab links (no action req'd).
    • No issues with external links (no action req'd).
    • No duplicate links (no action req'd)
    • All the images have alt text (no action req'd).
    • Images are PD and appear to have the req'd info (no action req'd).
    • Captions look fine (no action req'd).
    • That said the only images though are the logo and the map - I wonder if there are other images available which illustrate the operation? (Perhaps of some of the forces involved?) (suggestion only)
    • The Citation Check Tool reveals no issues with ref consolidation (no action req'd).
    • I made a few tweaks - one to alpha sort the reflist [1], and the other an endash for MOS compliance [2].
    • Otherwise I've read through the article and couldn't find any major issues. I'm not well versed on the topic but it seems to be a well written summary. Anotherclown (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the only thing I'd suggest is to give the nationality of the two UNCRO commanders in the introduction. Excellent wrk. Parsecboy (talk) 13:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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