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USS New Jersey (BB-62)[edit]

previous peer review here

Its been 18 months since the last Peer Review for Big J, so she being re-reviewed so as to stay current with the times. I welcome all suggestions, comments, questions, and observations about the article and how it may be improved, note though that due to school I likely will not have a chance to adequately address the suggestions left until Spring Break at the earliest. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cam[edit]

I can remember when this was on the main page (I swear to all that is holy if I have to rollback "HAGGER?!" one more time....;) From start to finish, as thorough as I can go:

Infobox

  • 9 x 16 in (406 mm) 50 cal. Mark 7 guns is linked twice (once in 1943, once in 1982). Could the second one be delinked?
    • Yeah, I meant to do that earlier so as to make the infoboxes as uniform as possible, but this errand keeps getting put off for various reasons.
  • Is there a figure for the approximate range of New Jersey? during its service? If so, could this be added to the infobox?
    • Can you be more specific? Range of the ship at cruising speed, range of the guns, range of the missiles, or none of the above?
      • Essentially how far New Jersey could go without refueling. Cam (Chat) 00:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • could the armour parts be delinked?

Lead & Construction

  • New Jersey was one of the Iowa-class "fast battleship" should be New Jersey was one of the four Iowa-class "fast battleships"
  • There's a lot of jargon words throughout that could simply be delinked, such as "commissioning", "air superiority", "launched", just to name those within these two sections.
    • That sort of presents a problem since those outside milhist aren't particularly familar with the terms, so they are linked for the benefit of the un-initiated. I'll see what I can do, but since I have to balance the needs of the project with the demands of the community the delinking may be more narrow in scope.
  • and is the only one to serve off Vietnam during the Vietnam War..., shouldn't "is" be "was"?

World War II

  • again, more words that can be delinked ("flagship", "fuel tanks", "airfield", "headquarters" etc)
  • After rehearsing in the Marshalls for the invasion of the Marianas, New Jersey put to sea.... Could "rehearsing" be replaced with "training", since that's technically more correct?
  • I'm slightly suspicious of the claim that only 17 aircraft were lost, since a lot of aircraft had to crash-land next to the fleet after the night raid on June 20. Most of my sources put that figure closer to 120 (of which the crews of 80 survived).
  • In the section on the Battle of Leyte Gulf (during which the Iowas and the Yamatos almost fought one another), it mentions on that on 23 October American carrier aircraft sank a battleship. Could it be added which battleship it was? (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's referring to Musashi)
  • As with the other battleships of TF 38, skillful seamanship brought New Jersey through the storm largely unscathed.., except the Iowa article states that that particular ship was damaged enough that it had to return to the US for repairs, could this sentence be fixed to reflect that?

The Korean War

  • The frequent references to "Communist" targets are somewhat vague. Could they be replaced with "North-Korean" or "Sino-Korean" or something along those lines? They were fighting a country, not an ideology.
    • Problem there is that the Soviet and later Chinese forces did participate, and the record books aren't always clear about whose units were doing what when the Iowas unloaded on them. I will do some cross checking to see if I can nail down more precisely whose units were being engaged, that should help clear up the vagueness. TomStar810 (Talk) 22:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alright. It's a shame there isn't a more event-specific term like "Axis" or "Central Powers" or "Insurgent" or something like that that could be used. Cam (Chat) 00:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not much to report in this section. Excellent work on this particular bit!

Post Korean War

  • Again, no issues here.

The Vietnam War

  • a study aimed at determining what would be required to get New Jersey reactivated in her present condition..., what was her "present condition", the wording is slightly confusing.
    • WWII configuration, probably. I'll try nailing this down more when I get the chance.
      • I would think Korean configuration since the majority of the AA battery was removed for Korea because of ineffectiveness (wasn't a 40mm tub used as a swimming pool? -MBK004 22:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • New Jersey, now the world's only active battleship.., shouldn't it be "then the world's only active battleship"?
  • Again, "communist" doesn't fit the situation. "North Vietnamese" would definitely be more in-place here.
  • The continual use of "16 in" and "5 in" does make it a bit confusing. Shouldn't this be "16 inch" and "5 inch"?
  • what is the DMZ?

Post Vietnam War

  • What is the relevance of the unarmed recon plane being shot down in regards to New Jersey?
    • I believe you are referring to the EC-121 the North Koreans shot down; if so, then the significance was that the Navy ordered New Jersey to the area of the incident for what I believe was a show of force. I'll dig into this more when I get a chance.

Reactivation

  • No issues in this section.

Lebanese Civil War

  • Bob Hope and his troupe of entertainers give a show on board the New Jersey on 24 December 1983..., shouldn't "give" be "gave"?
  • New Jersey fired 11 projectiles from her 16 inch (406 mm) guns at hostile positions inland of Beirut..., does your source mention what these targets were and what effect New Jersey's shells had on said targets?
  • The section on the controversy of New Jersey's actions, are there any particular critics outside of the armed forces who take this view? (I know a few of my Chomsky books make reference to American actions in Lebanon, so I'll check there) Any specific within the armed forces?

Post-Lebanese deployment

  • What's the third B for in BBBG? Shouldn't it just be BBG?
    • BBG would translate into "Guided missile battleship", as noted over at USS Kentucky (BB-66). BBBG is therefore used to denote "Battleship Battlegroup".
  • No other issues with this section.

Reserve fleet and museum ship

  • The cost to fix New Jersey was considered less than the cost to fix Iowa..., do you have any approximate numbers for the costs?
  • selected the Home Port Alliance of Camden, New Jersey, as the battleship's final resting place... could the wording be changed? It makes it sound as though they sank New Jersey there.
    • Lol, good point :) will see about rewording.
  • Other than that, no issues.

Superb work on this article and the other Iowas. I hope my comments help. Cam (Chat) 21:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Every little bit helps. I replied to some suggestions in the above text, but likely will not have time to address them in an all out fashion until the weekend. TomStar810 (Talk) 22:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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