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Coordinates: 38°35′3″N 121°30′0″W / 38.58417°N 121.50000°W / 38.58417; -121.50000
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Documents

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  • Buford House (Napa, California), refnum 77000314, has photos doc where expected but text document is not available:"National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Buford House". National Park Service. With accompanying two photos from 1977. --Doncram (talk) 06:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Omissions and exclusions

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  • There is an apparent omission error in NRIS for Yolo County Courthouse, which was NRHP-listed on February 26, 1987, as can be seen on page 26 of the 144 page PDF file of NRHP listings during 1987. Which you access by clicking on "1986" (not 1987) on the NRHP announcements page [here]. However, NRIS reports only that its application was received on date of December 16, 1986, in refnum 86003660, with status "DR" that apparently means "Date received/pending nomination". NRIS should be corrected to show its NRHP listing in 1987. Issue identified by User:Killiondude, and Elkman and i also helped sort out what happened. doncram (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A webpage about the property http://www.yolo.courts.ca.gov/AbouttheCourt/HistoricalView.html states it was NRHP-listed in 1987. doncram (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Big Four House, moved to Old Sacramento area
  • Big Four House, in Sacramento, vs. Southern Pacific Railway Station, in Davis.

NRIS entry is missing for Big Four House. The NRHP refnum given in the NHL summary webpage for Big Four House, and used in the filename for its inventory/nomination document (https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NHLS/76000541_text) is 76000541. However, NRIS shows "Southern Pacific Railroad Station" in Davis, instead, for that refnum (see NRHP.COM version, which gives " (added 1976 - Building - #76000541), H and 2nd Sts., Davis)" ). Further notes (adapted from Dudemanfellabra posting at wt:NRHP):

  • The nomination form has information about the "Big Four House" and not the "Southern Pacific Railroad Station", but says that the Big Four (which are people) founded the Southern Pacific Railroad, so there is at least some connection with the two. The NHL summary page said the house was designated in 1961 before the NRHP was started in 1966, so the house should have been among the first listed on the NRHP on October 15, 1966.
    Note, the date on the nomination form was September 1975 and it talked about events that happened as late as 1967. The Railroad Station wasn't listed until 1976, so a September 1975 nomination form date would fit, but nowhere in the form is there any mention of "Southern Pacific Railroad Station"... only "Big Four House".
    The nomination form mentioned that the Big Four House had been moved in 1966 from its original location at 220-226 K Street, Sacramento to the North side of I Street between Front and Second Streets, still in the city of Sacramento, and the address listed for the Railroad Station is the corner of H and 2nd Streets, in Davis, California, an entirely separate city. Most of the Davis (Amtrak station) article was written by User:Duran7 (talk) way back in 2006 (and he hasn't made an edit since 2007), and I'm not sure how reliable it is.
    I am thoroughly confused as to the connection of these two properties. Maybe there's an error in the NRIS database? Perhaps whoever made the NHL summary page accidentally put in the wrong refnum and it propagated into the creation of the pdf at the wrong location? Maybe the two buildings are actually the same place, and there is an error in the address of the railroad station? All I know is that there are currently two properties in different cities linked to the same reference number, which I thought was impossible. Can anyone sort this out? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 08:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems possible the October 15, 1966 data entry was missed. Also perhaps there were 2 related NRHP entries to make into NRIS database, for "Southern Pacific Railroad Station" to cover the Davis or Davisville railroad station (Davis (Amtrak station)) and also a change to the Big Four House property in 1976, and they got mixed up. Will check the National Register printed announcement of changes in 1976 to look for these, next. doncram (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot
WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/California is located in California
WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/California
Location5th and I Sts., Sacramento, California
Coordinates38°35′3″N 121°30′0″W / 38.58417°N 121.50000°W / 38.58417; -121.50000
Area5 acres (2.0 ha)
Built1925
ArchitectBliss & Faville
Architectural styleLate 19th And 20th Century Revivals, Mediterranean
NRHP reference No.75000457[1]
Added to NRHPApril 21, 1975

References

  1. ^ "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. 2009-03-13.
  • Page 23 of 218 in this PDF of the Federal Register reporting of 1966-1978 NRHP listings (if link doesnt work try accessing from here, click on "1966-1978" towards lower left) shows, in Yolo County, CA: "Davis. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD STATION, H and 2nd Sts., (11-7-76)".
    Page 19, in Sacramento County, CA, shows: "Sacramento. SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD COMPANY'S SACRAMENTO DEPOT, 5th and I Sts., (4-21-75)".
    I see no mention of "Big Four House" or "220-226 K Street" in the Sacramento County section. There are other places listed in Sacramento. Another person's scanning the PDF might possibly turn up something else that seems relevant. doncram (talk) 16:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    From NPS Focus searching on "Southern Pacific", i find the "Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot" listed, with refnum apparently 75000457 (from url of where document would be, although no documents are available online). doncram (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The Sacramento county NRHP list pipelinks from "Southern Pacific Railroad Company's Sacramento Depot" (at 5th and I St) to Sacramento Station which is "an Amtrak and Amtrak California train station which serves the city of Sacramento, California. It is located at 401 I Street, on the corner of I Street and Fifth Street." doncram (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Adding NRHP infobox for the Sacramento depot, apparently a structure in 1925, from Elkman's system, at right. It appears the Sacramento depot was listed in April, 1975, and was adjacent or close to the original location of the Big Four House building which was being moved away in 1966. doncram (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Sacramento Depot is actually closer to the new location of the Big Four House. I just looked on Google Streetview and found the Big Four House in it's new location (though I had to look across a courtyard from J Street to see it because Streeview isn't available on that part of I Street), and at its old location stands an empty lot. At 401 I Street, a few blocks down from the new location of the Big Four House, is the Sacramento Depot. I don't think the Sacramento Depot has anything to do with the Big Four House. The only problem I see, as you stated below, is the mismatched reference number. --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding a pic to that infobox here (and added to Sacramento Station article now too). There are 2 or 3 errors at the National Register involved here:
    1. The 1966 beginning of the NRHP should have included the Big Four House, as it was already an NHL, but may not have. There is no entry in NRIS for this building.
    2a. If the 75000456 refnum belongs to the Big Four House, as suggested by NHL webpage and the inventory document filename, then the NRIS entry for the Davis station is wrong, should have a different refnum
    2b. If the 75000456 refnum belongs to the Davis station, as NRIS currently shows, then the NHL webpage for Big Four House and filename for its inventory document are wrong, should use a different refnum
    doncram (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Property names

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Demolished but still listed

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Town location issue

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Street address issues

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  • Mary Andrews Clark Memorial Home is NRIS-listed at 306 S. Loma Dr., Los Angeles. That address is not recognized in Google maps. Per google maps, 306 Loma Drive in Los Angeles is located close to the NRIS-provided coordinates for the site. There are other S. Loma Drives in the L.A. area. My current belief is that it should be listed at 306 Loma Drive, Los Angeles. doncram (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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architect, builder, engineer issues

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other

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