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I am submitting this for peer review because this has undergone a general peer review back in April 2010, then underwent a Good Article nomination process before being accepted on 22 June 2010. Am pushing this toward WP:FAC on this is done. Please do so ASAP. Chris (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Parutakupiu — I'm going to do this gradually, as I go along the article, if you don't mind. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lead
    • According to WP:LEAD, you should not boldface the French version of the name, but italicize it. Also, use {{lang-fr}} for laying out the translation;
      •  Done - fixed per request. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comma after "Canada" in "...Whistler, British Columbia, Canada...";
      •  Done - sentence adjusted. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...located in the... located 125 km..." — repetition;
      •  Done - sentence adjusted. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Design work started on the track..." — Is "on the track" necessary?
      •  Done - On the track removed. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unlink "Bobsledders" (bobsleigh is already linked above), "Homologation" (not necessary and appears dictionary-ish), and "luger" (same as with "Bobsledders"...);
      •  Done - unlinked per request. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why isn't the women's singles event linked like the other two luge events?
      •  Done - women's singles added. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Skeleton competitions at the 2010 Winter Olympics...";
      •  Done - strikethrough part removed. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "A 20 page report..." — 20-page;
    • "...with the report being released and to the public..."
    • "... construction award..." — Pluralize "award";
  • Infobox
    • Where in the source says that the track's nickname is À"The Beast" (proper noun)?
    • On the fullname parameter apply the same as above;
    • "...ammonia refrigeration piped..." — Piped? Is this correct?
      •  Done - piped changed to piping. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • In the field dimensions parameter, move the "(All from [2])" to the end;
      •  Done - reference moved per request. Chris (talk) 20:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Awarding and construction (2004–07)
    • "At the 115th IOC meeting..." — Replace meeting with "Session" and mention the year (2003);
    • "... was chosen for to host the 2010 Winter Olympics...";
    • Comma after "South Korea";
    • "...who which designed..."
  • First testing and homologation (2007–08)
    • Unlink "Canadian" and link instead the runners names (you only linked them in the lede text);
    • "Luge tests occured in late February 2008 and among the luge participants...";
    • Unlink "Germany" and "homologation", but link "Austria" which hasn't been linked before;
    • "Lueders of Canada..."
    • Add a period before ref #17;
    • "A total of 2155 runs (...) took place at the track with a total of 15 crashes occurring at the track";
    • "... took place on 25–27 September 2008, prior to before the International Training Week...";
  • 2008–09 Luge World Cup, including training
    • "... took place at the track on 7–15 November 2008 at the track to get sliders familiarized with it the track.". Also, invert the refs following this sentence;
    • "... though with several injuries occurred occurring..." and "... injuring who injured his shoulder.";
    • No relevance in stating FIL's president nationality;
      •  Done - nationality removed. Chris (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... track's speed was too fast high..." or just"... track was too fast...";
    • "The ITW was for luge... but the 73 crashes were in all 3 sports?
      •  Done - crashes luge only. Chris (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Of From the 2482 runs executed during the International Training Week...";
    • According to source's quotes, it should be: "Italy's Zöggeler stated that "The track can be tackled." and that he does not "... see big problems for the athletes.";
    •  Done - adjusted. Chris (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... slowed lowered to 135 or 136 km/h..."
    • "... 2008-09 World Cup season..." — En-dash (–);
    • "Germany's Loch..." — We know by now that Loch is German;
      •  Done - Germany removed. Chris (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "...the men's singles luge speeds reached 100 km/h (62 mph) by the time you reach at the women's singles and men's doubles start house...";
    • "four week" → four-week;
    • According to source's quotes, it should be: "FIL President Fendt stated that "... [my] technical delegate told me this week that the ... [2010 Winter Olympics] ... Games could start tomorrow and the track would be ready." and he appreciated I appreciate "... the whole Whistler Sliding Centre.";
    • "135 athletes..." — Don't start sentences with numbers. Spell out (quirky) or find a way to start with words other than "A total of...";
  • 2008–09 Bobsleigh and Skeleton World Cup and training
    • "... took place on 25–31 January 2009...";
    • It looks weird linking "World" to the bosbsleigh World Cup event and "Cup" to the skeleton event... Find another way or don't link at all;
      •  Done - Bobsleigh and skeleton World Cup moved to respective words at start of the sentence. Chris (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "250 competitors from 24 countries took part in the World Cup event." — Don't start sentences with numbers... and which event?
      •  Done - Adjusted and spelled out per request. Chris (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "two week" → two-week;
    • Link "2002 Winter Olympics" and "1988 Winter Olympics";
    • "3000 spectators...", "235 athletes..." — Same as above;
    • "... tested itself..." — themselves (refers to "medical services");
    • "... is fast, technical, demanding, and interesting." — Add a period after this and before ref #25;
  • 2009–10 World Cups, including training
    • "A second International Training Week for luge took place at the Centre on 9–15 November 2009 in preparation for the 2010 Games, with the participation of 156 athletes from 27 nations taking place."
    • "Venzeula's" — Typo;
      •  Done - spelling checked. Chris (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... not providing a safe sliding environment. This was, especially after speeds were 10 mph (16 km/h) faster higher than expected.";
    • "... prior to before the 2010 Games";
    • "For the 2009-10 season..." — replace hyphen with en-dash;
  • Public opening and post-Olympic usage
    • "The Centre's official website opened was launched...";
    • "... ran from 3 July...";
    • According to WP:$, "C$ 5" should be "5 Canadian dollars" (note   linking the value and unit) for the first time. In further instances, you can just use "C$" but without space between it and the value;
      •  Done - changed per request. Chris (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... being admitted free." — having free entry/admission?
    • "World cup competition..." — Capitalize "cup";
    • "... took place on [dates]...";
    • "... along with Altenberg, Germany at the..." — Comma after Germany;
    • "... withdrew their its bid...";
    • "At an During a meeting of the FIL Commission meeting..." — Also remove "(near Salzburg)" as it's not essential;
    • "Post-Olympic usage will be part responsibility of the Whistler 2010 Sports Legacies..." — Sounds better this way;
    • "... promote healthy lifestyles, promote and tourism...";
    • "... offer revenue for the maintenance of the three facilities to maintain them.";
  • Nodar Kumaritashvili
    • First thing: typo in section title;
    • Lowercase "Opening Ceremonies" and make it singular, it's one ceremony;
    • Unlink "luger" in "Georgian luger...", there are enough links to Luge;
    • "... suffered a crash coming out of turn 16, during a training run coming out of Turn 16.";
    • "Kumaritashvili died later that day from the injuries sustained in that crash later that day.";
    • "... Kumaritashvili's death with suspending training suspended for the rest of that day.";
    • Two refs #49 at the end of the same sentence;
      •  Done - one ref 49 (now 48) removed. Chris (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... Turn 16..." — lowercase;
      • - Turn number is usually uppercase from most other sports that mention them. Chris (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • ""..does not help good starters like myself"." — Missed a period to complete the ellipsis (...);
    • "... and that you were one was still hitting 80 mph...";
    • "... on the crash, but also stated that however "...any fatality is unnacceptable"";
    • "Canada's Alex Gough commented on the 14th in the wake of Kumaritashvili's death two days earlier (two days after Kumaritashvili's death...";
  • Luge
    • "... to see if she was okay..." — Not the best encyclopedic language... How about "... to know about her condition..."?
    • "prior to" → before. Please check all further instances like this;
    • ... Turn 16..." — Again, lowercase. Be consistent and check further instances like this;
      • See comment in previous section on this. Chris (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... causing both of them to go airborne momentarily. Neither luger suffered any injury.";
    • "12,000 spectators attended each of the five days of luge competition." → Each of the five days of luge competition was attended by a sold-out crowd of 12,000 spectators;
    • On the last sentence, you can give the full name of the winners and link them to their articles;
      •  Done even though Loch, Hüfner, and Andreas Linger have been linked earlier in the article. Chris (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Skeleton
    • It's been quite a while, since you last read about Jon Montgomery, so I suppose you can give his full name and link to his article;
      • Full name given on Montgomery, but it was not linked to fact this has been done earlier in the article. Chris (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Remove "on the 15th", as it is stated at the beginning when practice runs started;
    • "Montgomery and Hollingsworth had the fastest times on the 16th with the last training runs taking place on 17th at 09:00 PST. On the 17th, both Hollingsworth and Montgomery had the fastest runs again." — All this can be reduced to: "Montgomery and Hollingsworth had the fastest times on the 16th and on the 17th, the last day of training runs.";
    • "... before the start of the second run.";
    • In the last sentence, place the refs after the period;
  • Bobsleigh
    • "Three crashes occurred during the 18 February 2010 two-man training session on 18 February."
    • "... who both withdrew from the two man event" → "with both withdrawing". Remove the parentheses that follow and adjust refs accordingly;
    • There's an article on Shauna Rohbock you can link "Rohbock" to...
      •  Done - Rohbock spelled out, but not linked since she was so in the First testing and homologation subsection. Chris (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • You need to find a replacing source for ref #72 which has gone dead;
    • "... were rescheduled to 16:00 PST for run three and 17:35 PST for run four due to unseasonable warm weather." — Also, give the equivalent time in UTC;
      •  Done - UTC equivalent found. Chris (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... a sled from Australia crashed out and did not finish, while a sled from Great Britain...";
      •  Done
    • "Germany's Lange..." — Who is he? Was he mentioned before? Can't recall... Link him, anyway;
      • Lange spelled out but not linked. He was mentioned in the First testing homologation subsection earlier. Chris (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Reactions from bobsledders about the track during the two-man event about the track...";
    • "... to have all drivers to have performing a minimum of 40 runs...";
    • Ref #76 is also dead, so I won't comment on quotes supported by this source;
      •  Done - new link found and piped in. Chris (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Periods are missing after some quotes, please check;
    • "... the Germany-2 sled of Cathleen Martini and Romy Logsch were was in fourth place...";
    • "... under their own power." → by themselves;
    • "Prior to Before this incident, Martini had never crashed before in her career.";
    • "... during the event.[89] This was also, despite no crashes during four-man training had taken place prior to the 24th before that day.[89] The Dutch team supported van Calker's decision on this.";
    • "... defending world champion Holcomb posted the fastest track times in the both runs, while defending Olympic champion Lange had the fastest start times in both runs.";
    • "... at these games..." — Capitalize "games" (it's the Olympics);
    • "... crashed out on the track...", "... crashed out in the first run on the track..." and "Second run track crashes...";
  • Construction
    • Don't transcribe content word by word from their sources. The first sentence is verbatim, re-write it with your own words;
    • "... or Kwekwayex Kwelh7aynexw.[96] while the Lil'oet call the area..." — Less short sentences;
    • "C$ 55 million" and "C$ 105 million (€ 68 million)" — No space between value and unit. By the way, why conversion to Euros?
      •  Done - Value and unit combined. Euro was listed in the article of reference. Chris (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The track is made of 350 t (340 LT; 390 ST)..." — What units are all these? Spell them out, and if they're unusual, link them;
      •  Done - units are in tonnage. Abbreviations removed for tonnage and links added to the tonnage. Chris (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... thickness of 6 in (15 cm).[7][17][9]" — Order refs;
    • "350 track footings were used ..." — Number starting a sentence... Also "40% of those footings..." → Forty percent;
      •  Done - adjusted per request. Chris (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "... refrigeration piping were used to...";
    • "... between turns one and two, and turns six and seven) and three spectator underpasses (between turns eight and nine, turns 11 and 12, and turns 15 and 16)" — Consistency overrules the spelling out numbers lower than 10, so you can write "turns 1 and 2, and turns 6 and 7...", etc.;
    • "It seated 11,650 spectators during the 2010 Games";
  • Sustainability
    • Overlinking here! No need to link "sustainability", "site", "ski", "vegetation", "energy", "weather", "refrigeration" and "heat". They're all very common words with no special importance to the article so that they're linked;
    • "... to cover parts of the track. and the The track itself is painted white to maintain track ice tempeartures low temperatures...";
    • "... were was composted..." — refers to "wood waste";
  • Awards
    • Unlink "Concrete";
    • I suppose "Public Works" is an organization/enterprise? It links to the common expression "public works" though...
      •  Done - Public Works unlinked. Chris (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Less than two years earlier..." — Earlier or before?
      •  Done - first part of sentence removed. Chris (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Don't make "LEED (Canada)" an external link within the body text;
  • Statistics
    • I'd probably move the first two tables to the previous section, because in my opinion they also characterize technical data about the track (physical data and turn names). If you were to do this, then I'd rename this section to "Track records" since it would only include the remaining text and the records table.
      •  Done - Statistics changed to track data for first section. second section renamed Track records. Chris (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • On the "Physical statistics" table, instead of placing ref #2 repeatedly after each discipline, why not only once and after the table's header?
    • On the "Turns" table:
      • "Turn Number" and remove the dots after each turn number;
      • I'd place all refs in a specific column at the rightmost end, so that they don't bulk up the "Name" column cells;
      • Unlink "bobsledder" and "Labyrinth";
    • On the "Track records" table:
      • "Event" is more precise as the first column's header, while on the third column "Athlete(s)" is enough;
      • I'd proceed in the same way as above, regarding the refs;
      • Why "Bobsleigh two-man" and not "Bobsleigh – two-man" as you did with the luge events? Or the opposite... Be as consistent as possible;
      • Place the flag templates before the name of individual competitors as well;
        •  Done - for two-man, two-woman, and four-man bobsleigh events along with doubles luge, flagathlete put in for all respective teams since they are of the same nation. Chris (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • You could make a table for "speed records" instead of just writing it down in a bulk of text. It becomes more appealing and visible to the reader. If this was to be called "Track speed records", then the table above should be "Track time records";
      • Scrapped. There is some issue for the luge events that needs resolution that neither the FIL nor the Whistler 2010 Sports Legacies Group have stated. Chris (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Finally, that last part about the hosted championships looks a bit lost... Scrap it.
  • Images
    • The image in the infobox can be resized to 300px (maximum recommended by MoS); this way you even reduce the infobox's height;
      •  Done - Expanded to 300px. Chris (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The image layout in the History section (and others) is very unbalanced, with two images cluttering the top and none along the last four sub-sections. I understand you added each image besides its corresponding text section, but you don't need to do that. Spread them evenly through the whole section.
      •  Done - Moved and adjusted accordingly.
        • I made an attempt to distribute the images more evenly and alternated their position (right-left-right) within the same sub-section, to take the most of the available space. Tell me what do you think? Parutakupiu (talk)
    • If you can, avoid placing images in positions that might make them cross into other (sub-)sections. If not possible, right-align those images so that the following section's title is not pushed to the right.
      •  Done - Moved to the right side of the article. Chris (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Montgomery's image caption could be more related to the section where it's placed... Perhaps say that (don't quote me) the 2010 Olympic men's skeleton champion was among the first track testing participants... Something like this, because the current caption makes the image belong more in the Olympic results section...
      •  Done - Moved to the Skeleton subsection of the 2010 Winter Olympics section. Chris (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Actually, I changed it back, because it was cluttering an already image-rich 2010 Winter Olympics section, while the History section was nearly empty. Adjusted its caption as suggested. Parutakupiu (talk)
    • Nodar's image is not free. Unless you can find a freely-licensed version, I'd say: remove it.
    • As per WP:CAPTION, you can't add period to the end of image captions which are sentence fragments... These include captions from every image bar the Hufner one.
      •  Done - Captions reworded except Hüfner's per request. Chris (talk) 12:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Final comment: this article is quite heavy (>80 Kb) due to the massive amount of textual info. FAC reviewers are likely to point it out and ask you "trim" some of the content, so be prepared. Good luck on your nomination and I hope you are successful because this article deserves to be recognized. Parutakupiu (talk)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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