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For many years, Warren County, New York used little blue tabs for county route "shields". In the recent months as photos have shown, they have joined several New York counties in signing County Routes with the normal pentagon (see here for an example on CR 35). In the time between, Commons has a full set of the tabs. We need a new set of Warren CRs made for pentagons. This leads me to my next question, do we want to upload over the tab svgs or move the tabs to a new filename and upload the pentagons on it? What can we do here?Mitch32(TransportationHistorian)04:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
A note to anyone interested in making the pentagons: based on the linked photo and several others I've seen, I'm pretty sure that the county's using yellow-on-black shields, not the standard yellow-on-blue or a variant of the standard blue. – TMF14:14, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I concur with this assessment. There seem to be a few yellow-on-blues, but from pictures, most seem to be yellow-on-black. –Fredddie™23:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I could request other Florida county road shields, but for now I'm requesting St. Johsn's CR 5A, CR 13A, CR 13B, CR 203, CR 204, CR 208, and CR 305 for the List of county roads in St. Johns County, Florida, Florida State Road 13, and any relevant road articles. CR 13 already has a shield, but for some reason it won't show up on the county road list. After that, I've got to decide on which other counties I want to get fixed. ----DanTD (talk) 19:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Florida SRs 39A, 200A, and a Hudson County, NJ CR glitch
I know there hasn't exactly been a lot of interest in my last request, but I was wondering if anyone would be able to make a shield for the new Arkansas Heritage Trail network? I think it would come in handy on many Arkansas highway articles. The Bottom banner wouldn't be part of the file. Thanks a lot. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie17:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
In recent weeks, I've discovered how to extract stuff from PDFs. If you can get in touch with AHTD, and they're willing to provide you with a PDF, we can work with that. This would apply to both requests. –Fredddie™22:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
If you get a bite, see if you can get the plans for Interstate, US Highway, and state highway shields. I'm fairly confident what we have is correct (or really, really close) , but I'd like to know where exactly the suffixes are supposed to go. :) –Fredddie™05:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Awesome! They are images and not drawings like you'd find in the SHS, correct? If they are drawings, we can simply make the files per the specs and upload to Commons. If they are images, we need to determine their copyright status. Someone else who knows more about copyrighted images than I should comment now. –Fredddie™03:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure what SHS means in this context, but they are basically the "logos" that go on the signs. The question of copyrighted/not/don't know is beyond me. I can tell you they came from the Arkansas Historic Preservation Program abd AHTD respectively. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie03:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Standard Highway Signs. As for the copyright status, I would email someone at AHTD's legal department. If they don't know, they should at least be able to point you to someone who does know. –Fredddie™03:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
My contact responded and said to his knowledge the signs are not copyrighted. Also that the department does not have an electronic copy of the Crowley's Ridge Parkway sign. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie16:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
That's reassuring, but it's not a sure thing. There may be a state law saying works by the government are copyrighted. Also, have you tried asking for drawings for the state highway markers? –Fredddie™17:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
The Public Affairs Department said the Arkansas Scenic Byway shield is not copyrighted or trademarked. They were not sure about public domain status or whatever, just said it should not be used for commercial use. What do we do next? This is probably the best answer I am going to get, the Legal/Maintenance/Public Affairs Dept all say the same thing. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie15:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
It appears to already be in vector format on the Heritage Trails brochure. It opens in Acrobat fine, but when I try to open it in Illustrator to extract the logo from the rest of the brochure, it tells me the file is damaged. → Michael JⓉⒸⓂ17:04, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I was able to extract it just fine in Inkscape and I emailed a copy to Brandon. I'm concerned about what Brandon said about AHTD mentioning no commercial use. CC-BY-SA-NC is a no go for Wikimedia. –Fredddie™02:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Florida SR/CR 249 & 694
The article on Florida State Road 249 had a Hamilton County Road shield that disappeared from the infobox, but what it really needs is a generic CR 249 shield, because the county-maintained portion is both in Suwannee and Hamilton Counties. Additionally the Pinellas CR 694 shield needs to be revived for the Florida State Road 694 infobox. There are probably some others out there, but I don't feel like looking for them right now. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Freddie's right. Originally, the standard allowed multiple county shields, but it was narrowed down. For the record, I know of some other articles that should have their county-specific shields replaced with generic county road shields; Florida State Road 235 is one example, because it has county maintained segments in Alachua and Bradford Counties. The Alachua CR 235A segment is okay as it is, though. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Needed for the newest Alabama route west of Dothan. Could be based on the existing Alabama 604 jpg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.111.163.179 (talk • contribs)
Is that standard MUTCD green? How about the star? ... Also, should it go on Wikipedia or on Commons? (I don't know the copyright status.) → Michael JⓉⒸⓂ19:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Standard MUTCD green and gold star. While I am not 100% sure, the shield design is from before 1978 and may not have been registered so it may be PD. Also the design may be simple enough to qualify as PD. Dough487219:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I would like to request 1926-style Pennsylvania U.S. shields for the following routes: 1, 6, 6N, 11, 13, 15, 19, 20, 22, 30, 40, 46, 62, 106, 111, 119, 120, 122, 140, 202, 206, 209, 219, 220, 222, 224, 230, 240, 309, 322, 422, 522, 611, 622, and 711. If possible, a template can be set up to have HRMB make them. Dough487202:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
The template was already created for a request above, and a bunch of signs were already completed by HRMB. Already completed:
According to www.pahighways.com the following roads were never assigned, so these markers were not created: 20, 30, 40, 111, 119, 122, 140, 206, 209, 219, 220, 322, 422, 522, 622
These roads were first signed after 1948, so they never conformed to that 1926 sign specification, so they were not created: 106 (1972), 120 (1967), 240 (1966), 309 (1968), 611 (1972)
I am not sure how I missed 22, so I can do that. I can also do 6N, or any of the above but I would want to know why they are needed. --Svgalbertian (talk) 03:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Not yet. Since they're non-essential and thus wouldn't get any points, I plan on going state-by-state and creating the 1957 Interstate shields during the Cup. –Fredddie™19:25, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for another request when the last two are still in process, but was hoping you guys could make one NC shield for NC 295, which is the official designation of Interstate 295 (North Carolina) in North Carolina. The NC 295 designation, established in 2011, is in tandem with Future I-295. Would appreciate it, thank you. --WashuOtaku (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a semi-urgent request, as every time I turn around someone else is tagging old PNGs I made to be moved to Commons. We all know that once on Commons they will never be deleted no matter how useless, so I'd like to have the bot create complete sets for the three past styles of MN route markers so I can go through and speedy all of my uploads so they won't have to be dealt with again.
I need a template and/or example the bot can use made from the following:
- 1920
- 1934
These first two will have to be done by hand, unfortunately, which sucks. We're not cool enough to have a block font. When I made those, I included the numbers hidden away in the file for that reason. –Fredddie™00:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I see. I suppose in that case I'll see if I can try once more to figure out how to make Inkscape play nice with OS X or find an alternative that won't cause more problems than it solves. --Sable232 (talk) 00:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
(marked as 1950 but was actually introduced in 1954, if it'd be prudent to change the filenames to reflect that let me know)
Unfortunately, the template can't know routes should be bannered and which should be suffixed. I'll have to create another type. –Fredddie™23:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
We don't have templates for the original Illinois route markers used from the start of the state route system through the 1960s. Could someone please make them, so I can get the route marker bot to make the rest of the shields? There are different versions for 2-digit and 3-digit routes; they can be seen here in the 1963 state MUTCD, and the 1924 state highway map has a better quality version of the 2-digit shield. There's also a separate version for suffixed routes, but the only image I can find of one is terrible quality; nonetheless, it would be nice if someone could make a template. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation00:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
I have a few questions to winnow down (or maybe expand) your request. You're looking for the long, IL-shaped route marker, correct? It looks like we're going to need multiple versions of this marker. If you look closely, rather than reduce the size of the number to fit within the state shape, the state shape was cut into two lines to make room for the number (see ILL 277 on the MUTCD page listed above). Now, since we're here, would you like a 1960-era, Indiana-style marker with larger numbers as well? –Fredddie™16:52, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
I made the 1960-era shield first since I knew it would be easy. It appears that one is always square regardless of the number. Then I discovered we had neither a current square nor wide template, so I made those, too. –Fredddie™18:08, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
I should note, I didn't do anything for suffixed shields. The route marker bot can't do them anyway, so we'll just make them as one-offs. –Fredddie™19:42, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Everything I saw showed the numbers fitting within the state shape, so I don't think a special shield is necessary. I could be wrong, though. –Fredddie™03:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again. I kind of hope no others are discovered so I don't have to make such a request again. Of course if I have to, I will. -------User:DanTD (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
US Highway 1926 or 1950 shields for: US 15, US 21, US 29, US 117, US 176, and US 217. They are going to look like this US 301 (1926) or this US 221/US 378. I plan to use this style for all highways existing before 1961, when the black background shields started in use. This might also be the trickiest part, a lot of these will be use for bannered routes, and for Alternate routes in South Carolina, they spelled out "Alternate" up until the modern version where they use "ALT" as currently coded. Is there a way to time set the Alternate banners on shields from 1926 version through 1961 version?
Also, I need the following versions for Bannered routes of U.S. Route 25: US 25A (1950 version) (similar to US 29A) and US 25 Bypass in small script above the numbers for Georgia (see example here), the second which may need coding or not, both US 25 bypasses are like this with no banner on top. As always, thank you. --WashuOtaku (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I will be creating an article for SC 148 soon, and I have noticed that there is no shield for it. I would like to request one. Cg2916 (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
{{not done}} for now. Yes, the BGS shows it as US 220A, but when you get down to the road itself, it's signed as US 220 Alternate complete with a banner. –Fredddie™00:12, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
Can a shield for Georgia State Route 49 Truck be made? I don't think the article exists (even as a redirect), yet, but some other highways intersect with it, so they should have it on their pages. Thanks. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 01:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Though my last request hasn't been completed yet, I thought I ask you all could please also make a South Carolina Scenic Byway sign to be utilized on South Carolina Scenic Byways. Here is an example of the sign in the wild: [1]. As always, thanks! --WashuOtaku (talk) 21:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I am requesting a shield for Interstate 480N. Yes, the route is unsigned, but I think a shield should exist. I was just looking on Google Images. There is an I-480N shield on at least one of the mile markers on the route. Therefore, I think a shield should be made here. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 00:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
I am requesting that shields for all of the routes on the List of divided U.S. Routes page be made. Some exist, while others do not. Also, since some of them should be using either the 1926-, 1948-, or 1961-specific shields, the shields should be made at least for those time frames, if not others. Thank you for your help and time. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 12:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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In addition to having the stretched out shields fixed, I would like to request BicyclePA shields for J1, J2, L1, S1, and Y1. Dough487200:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Can I please have a template for the 1960 Pennsylvania state route shields based on this and this? It appears that shields inconsistently included the state name or not based on this photo? Also can I have templates for the 1960 US shields used in Pennsylvania based on thesephotos? Again, it appears the shields were inconsistent with including dots or not in "US". Dough487218:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I would like to request a shield for the Louisiana Scenic Byways to use in the infoboxes for the appropriate routes. There is an image of the shield here as well as a photo of the signage in the field here. Thanks for your help. Britinvasion64 (talk) 16:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
{{Not done}}. Thanks for posting that picture, because it tells me that a new shield is unnecessary. Looks like we need to turn on the truck banners once again. (The normal shield plus a banner is what we want) –Fredddie™22:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Not exactly, but I corrected it. Round fonts didn't come around until the late 1940s and wide shields came well after that. –Fredddie™02:48, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Ohio used a more rounded text for "OHIO" starting with 1927, see. It looks like Detour is still block font, but "OHIO" in the state shield is some type of rounded font. The 1926 state shield had all block font. Detcin (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Let's construct the timeline just so we have it right.
This is the research that I have done on Ohio shields. Up until the current Ohio shields came into use, all Ohio SR shields were cutout Ohio shapes. In 1920, they said "STATE ROUTE 32 OHIO" all in the block font. Starting in 1926, they simply said "Ohio 32", but still in the block font. The rounded fonts were created for the 1948 MUTCD, and that's when the shield changed from block to round fonts. I saw a few pictures of block OHIO, round numbers, but those seem to be anomalies. Around 1962, they dropped OHIO from the shields and made the number bigger. The current version came into being in the 1970s. –Fredddie™16:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
On the 1926 map it shows the 1920 shield and calls it the "Official State Route Marker". The 1927 map shows just Ohio and the number and calls it the "Official Markers". I found this scroll almost to end and on right shows a yellow 1920 style, that was token in 1926 and it would have been after the US highways because SR 1 and US 40 (signed as SR 40) were concurrent with the National Road. Only SR 1 through SR 10 carried a Auto Trail name, so it could not have been SR 40. Btw the 1923 shield was black(or some color), see, background with white font. Most of the routes got signed in 1923, the designations before 1923 was only on paper for most route, but since the picture above is SR 1 (National Road) it could have been signed in the shield. Something that I though of is that ODOHPW became ODOH in late 1927, so could that have been the change to the shields. Detcin (talk) 19:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Yellow was a popular color for state highway shields in the pre-US Highway era (Iowa, Minnesota, and Oklahoma each had them off the top of my head), so I uploaded one in yellow and added it to the table. –Fredddie™20:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The newer shield with Ohio and number, like the 367 shield above, were placed around July of 1927, New System of Markers to be Used in State (center of newspaper). The change was in conjunction with the U.S. Routes being signed. This also is would make the change available for the 1927 map. Detcin (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
There are four different vintages of shields we have available. Which style do you need? There was a discussion a couple months back where it was decided to only make the black and white shields for the routes that survive the mass decommissioning. –Fredddie™22:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
1924
1955
1990
2008
Another thing, I'm trying to look up these two routes to see if they're subject to the "right sizing", but searching the LA DoTD site gets me nothing. Do they even exist? –Fredddie™23:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
According to List of Louisiana state highways, #666 and #667 were created until they were decommissioned in 1961. So we would use the 1955 variety. DudeWithAFeud (talk) 00:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Can I please have a template for the 1956 Farm to Market/Ranch to Market Roads in Texas? The FM shields look like this and the RM shields look like this. Dough487203:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
YDone, see images to right. The ranch one seems to be having trouble uploading, the word "ranch" keeps expanding off to the right. I can send you my copy directly if you need. As they are SVGs you can download them and edit in a graphics editor, so they can be used as templates. Rcsprinter(talk to me) @ 20:54, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Looks like you forgot to convert that "RANCH" text to path. And what's the source for these old-style shields? For your description on each Commons page, I think you just copy/pasted another shield's description based on the 2007 date that's still present on the second shield. —Mr. Matté (Talk/Contrib) 23:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
{{done}} (I minimized the sizes so they aren't overwhelming the page, and I'm tagging this done so the bot will archive it at some point.) Imzadi 1979→01:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
I made the Florida CR shield at File:Flagler County 1424.svg, which is the new naming convention for those shields. I do not have the fonts for the Texas or Sonora shields. US 30A was decommissioned in 1970 and I do not have photos of how the shield looked in the past (the current US shield was implemented in 1971). Also, the two South Carolina routes are decommissioned and I do not have a date in which these routes were deleted as to determine which shield to make. South Carolina recently changed their design for their shields. Dough487201:48, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I made the Elongated circle shields for 401 and 564 and the TN 451 shield (the correct title for that is File:Tennessee 451.svg). I did not make a shield for TN 421 as all I had to do was switch the title to the correct shield that already existed. I did not do the US 401 or IL 127A shields as they require block font (the IL 127A shield should be based off the File:Illinois 00 (1926).svg template since it was decommissioned in 1937). I also did not make the VT 104B shield because that route was decommissioned in the late 1950s and Vermont appeared to use a different square shield then see here. Dough487201:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I assumed you wouldn't want to diversify into international fixing and make the ones for List of road routes in South Australia so I'll dig my own paint out :)
@KylieTastic: there is WP:HWY/RM, which is the analogous request page for route markers globally through WikiProject Highways... That page was created by someone from the Australian Roads project, so it could be an option. Also, our Canadian friend is fairly active in this project, so he'll see the ping and help out in due time. Imzadi 1979→16:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
To be honest that whole lot needs to be redone, but I have to redownload flash and make them all again. Is there a reason it's required at this time? - Floydianτ¢05:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
There has been a concerted effort to clearing the backlog wrt the list of articles with missing files, which is great and I'm all for it. That being said, WP:NODEADLINE still applies. –Fredddie™09:13, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Someone else has already removed the file link from the article so the flag on Category:Articles with missing files was cleared - but that isn't really the best solution (I also noticed that road 1 also has no image). I guess the question is do people think that this should be just left as is now, create just those missing ones (even if not perfect), or is there a list of future to-do jobs that the highways project groups have as Floydian indicated they all need re-doing for some reason. — KylieTastic (talk) 13:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I will mark this to be archived. I agree with Floydian's sentiment that they all need to be redone (in SVG) at some point in the future. When that will be, I don't know. –Fredddie™03:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I made the HI-310 and MO-799 shields. I did not make the MO-184 shield as I have found no record of that route. I also have not made the 1922 Missouri shields as I do not have a template for that and it requires the block font. Dough487204:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
{{not done}} There was an "article" created on CT 62's talk page which is about to be speedily deleted. I tried to follow the "path" of the route description, but it didn't make any sense. It wasn't even a good hoax. –Fredddie™17:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure? for example has a different (less-accurate) border than , and the font is different. --NE203:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I think that's because the most recent edition of the SHS supplement to the MUTCD updated the style of the border for county road markers. The generics use that newer style, but the specific ones haven't all been redone yet. Imzadi 1979→03:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the 2012 supplement to the 2004 SHS shows a half-inch yellow border around the 18-inch CR shield as opposed to the quarter-inch yellow stripe in previous editions. –Fredddie™04:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
This is a rather odd shield, the route is near Atwood TN, it goes from SR-220 to US-70A. The Route it is not shown on Google maps but is on street view. To find the shield you go to the intersection of US-70 at West Carroll Jr / Sr high school on street. It is also shown on the 2014 Tennessee Transportation Map. --ACase0000 (talk) 23:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I'm on the fence on whether or not we should make it, especially if it's a one-off shield. For those who can't find it, it's the secondary shield with ALT beneath the 220. @ACase0000: if you can find another instance of this, I will have no problem doing this. –Fredddie™00:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
It wouldn't be the first state that has only one active Alternate State Highway/Route, see North Carolina. I wasn't able to find another Alt SR in Tennessee, but it is on the 2014 TDOT map. --WashuOtaku (talk) 00:35, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@Fredddie: you can also find the shield on SR-220 at Johnson Road intersection there is one on both sides. @Washuotaku: there are two other routes in TN that have alternate routes, they are SR-22 and SR-69 but they are signed with just an A beside the 22 and 69. --ACase0000 (talk) 05:05, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Are the two smaller logos already available on Commons or elsewhere? If so, the hardest part would be finding the font of the text. –Fredddie™03:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't think so. The best I could do for the top logo is this. The bottom round logo is the National Scenic Byway logo. There is one of the Arkansas scenic byway signs (somewhat) near me though if it ends up I have to take a picture, but I'm not sure how to get the National logo or the font. Brandonrush Woo pig sooie16:33, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I believe Fredddie was referring to the main Crowley's Ridge font. If so, that is known as either Academia or Occidental. The caps are oversized from the lower-case letters. → Michael JⓉⒸⓂ04:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
After re-reading the STF guidelines, we can't make an SVG of something that is fair use. Until that fair use image is no longer not-free, it's no can do. The byway request is still open, though. –Fredddie™23:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I should have said an SVG of the shield is not possible per WP:NFCC#3b (low resolution only). SVG is not limited by resolution, but a low-resolution PNG could be created. –Fredddie™23:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
That's not totally true though. There is {{SVG-logo}} which says: "This is an SVGvector image of a registered trademark or copyrightedlogo. If non-free content restrictions apply, this image should not be rendered any larger than is required for the purposes of identification and/or critical commentary. See Wikipedia:Logos." That means we can make SVGs of non-free media, so long as we don't display them any larger than necessary. Remember that MediaWiki converts all SVGs into PNGs, and it's the PNGs that are displayed in the web browser for the end reader. Imzadi 1979→02:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Here is some progress, finally. I was able to extract the wordmark from the brochure linked from the article. Since you can't copyright text, we should be fine in that respect. @Brandonrush: do you still want the shield or is the wordmark Good Enough™? –Fredddie™16:36, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the delayed response. I think a shield without the two circular logos would be good. We can cross the circular emblem bridge later (hopefully). Thanks for your work Fredddie, I appreciate it. Brandonrush Woo pig soooooooie!00:38, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Wow! That looks awesome. Thanks Fredddie, and thanks to all of y'all that contributed to the fulfillment of this request. It is with great pleasure I officially declare this {{done}}. I guess the next step is to add it to the jct template. Brandonrush Woo pig soooooooie!02:42, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Is it possible to also have one based upon the image I linked. That one would be more suitable for junction lists. Dough487204:12, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I am concerned with the quality of these shields. They do not look like they are up to proper sign specifications. The fonts look off and the corners look too sharp. I would like to see if someone could remake the shields based on the pictures to proper specifications. Dough487216:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)