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submissions?[edit]

how will a submissions system work for this? should we use the same system as the WikiCup? or something else... i have very little preference on that front, but i'd like to require submissions to designate which country they're submitting for. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 23:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it could be the same system as the WikiCup with additional rule that submissions must include the primary country claimed. For example, if one did the Eritrean–Ethiopian border conflict they could claim it as either, but the bonus multiplier will depend on that explicit choice made by the submitter. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 00:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
great idea! (although both Eritrea & Ethiopia are least developed, so it wouldn't matter for the multiplier). i think we could allow people to include multiple countries in their submissions, but only claim one for multiplier & point purposes. i think it would be fine for someone to submit a Nagorno-Karabakh conflict article (for example) for both Armenia and Azerbaijan & get credit towards the "most countries covered" award for both, though. hope that makes sense ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like I mentioned earlier somewhere, I don't think we'll be dealing with a volume of submissions large enough to merit subpages WikiCup-style; at least not for now. A regular backlog drive–style page with sections for each participant should work just fine, maybe with a couple of columns to track the number of submissions and coordinator-approved points. I like the idea of "claiming" the country or countries that have been expanded with the submission — maybe just a {{flagicon}} or two before the links, which would give the page some color. I know Women in Red sometimes does that. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this works for me; i agree that there is not a real need for subpages (which would also be a lot of maintenance) & a single page will probably be fine. flagicons sounds fun :) ... sawyer * he/they * talk 05:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've never participated in any of these events. Reading the rules it mentions a submission page. Can somebody point me in the right direction as to how to set it up? HarveyPrototype (talk) 23:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HarveyPrototype: The submissions page is still under construction, but you can find it at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Submissions. Both it and the main project page will be updated with more information when relevant. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you HarveyPrototype (talk) 01:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we submit the article after they've been reviewed? In draft form? Complete the article and share it for submission? HarveyPrototype (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
HarveyPrototype, point scoring milestones are only available for published articles, so drafts would not qualify. You can see my 2022 WikiCup submissions page to see how articles are submitted for points, for example. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 04:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North Korea[edit]

Green tickY consensus for
 – Queen of Hearts (talk) 06:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that North Korea should be considered "least developed" and given a multiplier on Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring § Other states. Thoughts? QueenofHearts 20:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thought we'd decided on this already. Support, obviously. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DPRK is certainly on par with the rest of the "least developed" world, in both information and living conditions. works 4 me ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 04:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More feedback/questions[edit]

A few new thoughts, and revisiting a few that might need more discussion:

  • The submissions page still needs to be figured out.
  • The number of points for each type of submission hasn't been changed. Are we going with the same scores and categories as WikiCup, like 5 or 10 for DYK, 12 for ITN, etc?
  • Has any thought been given to the total number of judges? There are currently two, are there plans to recruit a third (or even a fourth)?
  • "Most submissions for a single country" should be reworded. Right now it could be read as "a barnstar is given to the one person who has the most submissions for a single country" or "one barnstar is given out per country based on who did the most in each country". The latter would be kind of insane.
  • The "higher level" articles are such a narrow list of difficult articles that it might be worth expanding it or reworking the idea.
  • Three months is a relatively short period of time for some of the review processes, especially GAN. We might consider a "soft launch" for June in which competitors are encouraged to start working on articles so they're ready to start nominating in July or can get their DYKs nominated in late June if we're going with DYK submissions. The WikiCup has Round 1 as a low-barrier warm up, but DCWC doesn't have that luxury.
  • There was talk of a prominently displayed "needs review" panel like Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews needed to help noms get reviewed more quickly and to help reviewers find qualifying noms. We should figure out what that will look like.

Thebiguglyalien (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re #3, the plan was to have a third more experienced judge (cf. the VPI thread, which was archived without comment), but no one has stepped forward thus far. and re #4, it should be the latter, so I can just farm random Pacific islands...[Joke] Queen of Hearts (talk) 06:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK #4 is the latter, unless sawyer-mcdonell disagrees. I'd appreciate if you could expand a bit on your feedback for #5, Thebiguglyalien. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 18:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fix failed ping Queen of Hearts (talk) 18:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bonus points system at Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring#From relation to developing countries assumes that several people will be working on these types of articles, but I don't believe there are going to be any meaningful contributions there. I think that the scope of those bonuses should be expanded in some way if it's going to be kept, though I don't have a proposal for what exactly it would look like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i actually was thinking the former, as that is more practical & matches with the award for the person who covers the most countries ... sawyer * he/they * talk 21:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i welcome a rewording although i'm not sure exactly what to change the wording to ... sawyer * he/they * talk 21:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we make a subpage for the submissions of everyone? — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes - i think we can have it all on one subpage, much like a backlog drive ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Created Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Submissions, though we may want to rename it. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 22:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a good idea to have a leaderboard-style table, but we also need a page with sections for each user where they can list their submissions. I'm thinking something like the GAN backlog drive. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
as of how it's designed right now, this page does both - i would be amiable to splitting it into two pages though ... sawyer * he/they * talk 22:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Three months is a relatively short period of time for some of the review processes, especially GAN". There are points for GA, but also for GA reviews, which should speed up the process. Cambalachero (talk) 02:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greenland[edit]

consensus for developing Queen of Hearts (talk) 05:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And it turns out this was already done 🤷‍♀️ Queen of Hearts (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Should Greenland be classified as "developed" (ineligible), "developing" (eligible), or "least developed" (1.5x multiplier)? Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Developing as proposer. On the map, it's "no data", but the first sentence of Economy of Greenland calls it small, mixed and vulnerable, it is heavily dependant on Denmark (the economy is critically dependent upon substantial support from the Danish government, which supplies about half the revenues of the Self-rule Government [the government of Greenland], which in turn employs 10,307 Greenlanders out of 25,620 currently in employment (2015)), and Unemployment nonetheless remains high, with the rest of the economy dependent upon demand for exports of shrimp and fish. Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i concur with this ... sawyer * he/they * talk 00:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    +1. Apart from basic numbers, the Greenlandic Inuit are under heavy environmental stress which threatens their old ways of life that depend on the sea ice, now disappearing fast. They have to transform their economy entirely, towards something more urbanised and economically viable. This too, I would say, is a sign of a developing economy.
    Also consider the HDI of 0.786, which although classified as "high", lags significantly behind the rest of the Danish Realm - Denmark is at 0.952 and the Faroes are at 0.950. And all the other IMF-designated developed countries are well above 0.800. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 06:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    definitely! not to mention the colonial dynamics, which while not directly correlated with development, are relevant contextually. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Soooo... are they counted? Shall I notify them? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 16:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    pinging @Ixtal if they have any last-minute objections but i'd say just go for it - i'll update the contest pages as well ... sawyer * he/they * talk 17:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No objections here, ping appreciated, Sawyer. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 20:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Translations[edit]

How will translations of articles from developing countries be evaluated? HarveyPrototype (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this is a good question! @Ixtal thoughts? ... sawyer * he/they * talk 16:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the value as adding them to the wiki, Sawyer. I'd personally score them equally as creating articles. Articles in, say, Burmese language that are not yet in the english wiki probably are equally important to Myanmar than an article that doesn't exist in either, if not more so. However, if others feel that they should be scored less I am open to that possibility. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 17:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i agree that translations are very valuable, and something we should encourage - so we have something to work off of, how would 5 points be for a score? ... sawyer * he/they * talk 23:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I'd personally score them equally as creating articles." Check again, we don't score the mere creation of articles. We score created articles that pass the DYK process, which guarantees some basic quality. The problem with translations is that anyone with google and a basic fluency to check the results can translate articles from other wikis and quickly farm points. Just a mere 40 semi-bot translations, 2 or 3 hours at most, and you get as many points as someone who promotes a featured article. It would be too easy to derail the contest's purpose that way. It may be better to treat translation like any other new article, only scores if it passes DYK (or if it is promoted to higher levels in record time). Cambalachero (talk) 02:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this is a great point... i don't do translation work at all so i forgot about the existence of machine translation for a moment. i agree with your idea of requiring it pass DYK criteria. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 02:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cambalachero, my statement works regardless of if they are currently scored or not. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Sign up for the 2024 DCWC! — Non nobis solum ♠ 08:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the news[edit]

Is it the same (as in, same points) if an article is accepted for Recent Deaths, or for a proper blurb? Cambalachero (talk) 02:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i'm personally fine with keeping the WikiCup standards where both recent deaths and blurbs count for the same amount, since that's really impossible to control on the nominator's end. ITN has quality requirements for displaying on the main page, which is ultimately what we're looking at for scoring. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 02:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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