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Comments (Ucucha)

Generally good article; I enjoyed reading it. A couple of specific comments: (Note - I'll move all this stuff to the talk page when we're done.)

  • No dab links or dead external links.
Taxonomy
  • Perhaps move the sentence about the occasional spelling "Panellus stypticus" to the first paragraph, which discusses other alternative scientific names? (ok)
    • Note: you didn't do that yet.
      • Argh - done now for real. Sasata (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Description
  • "When collected in deposit" - I suppose this means "When prepared as in a collection of voucher specimens", but don't think this wording is particularly clear. (changed to "When viewed in mass")
    • Is that a technical phrase? I don't think it's much clearer.
How about "The color of P. stipticus spores in mass—determined by taking a spore print—is white." Sasata (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the phrase "in mass", but that may not mean much. Ucucha 16:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In mass: "A grouping of individual parts or elements that compose a unified body of unspecified size or quantity." It's a common way (in mycological literature) to refer to a pile of spore dust. If the wording still bugs you I can take another crack at it. Sasata (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK. If it is exclusively a jargon term, it would indeed be better to use more generally understandable wording. Ucucha 20:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's mycological jargon, see this quote: "Take mankind in mass, and for the most part, they seem a mob of unnecessary duplicates." (Herman Melville). But I gave it another shot. How's it now? Sasata (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With a further rephrasing of mine, I am okay with it now. :) Ucucha 20:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is the first sentence of the "Similar species" section commented out? It seems a good addition to the rest. (I've removed it. After rechecking the recent literature, the "two subspecies" in the subgenus comment isn't accurate, based on more recent phylogenetic understanding of how the genus is organized.)
  • What does "slowly mildly acrid" mean? (clarified)
  • The USSR no longer exists, and it was already gone in 1992. Perhaps you can replace it with a more detailed locale from the source? Poor people who tested that, by the way. (Checked the source. Some rural area (Primorsk, Vasnaya) in Russia.)
  • Might be useful to add in which areas it is used in folk medicine. (Good idea, done.)
Distribution
  • It looks odd for you to first mention it occurring in eastern North America only, and then mention both Alaska and Costa Rica. Does it occur in all of North America? Also, you mentioned the USSR earlier; surely that should also be here in the distribution (unless it's the European part only). (clarified that it's in all of NA, but only common in the east. Now the article specifies Russia, not USSR, so "northern temperate regions of Europe" covers that.)
Bioluminescence
  • Added an extra subsection header "Genetics", as these two paragraphs didn't really seem to belong under "Fruit bodies". (ok)
  • "and thus SOD activity has to be low or inhibited for the reaction to occur" - can't see the "thus" here. (Clarified that superoxide anion is needed for the luminescence reaction to occur.)
Images
This is true, these issues didn't cross my mind when I uploaded the pic. I cannot find a death date for Marie E.M. Johnson, so it looks like the image will have to go. I will see if the Graphic Lab can make a replacment. Sasata (talk) 06:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was also unable to find her date of death.

I am not experienced with image issues, so another check would be good. Ucucha 04:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: Can you add something about the phylogenetic relationships of this species? Ucucha 15:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sure, how's this? Sasata (talk) 16:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Go-getter passerby ManfromButtonwillow happened to see your request here and kindly made a cladogram. What do you think? (Species redlinks will be blued soonish). Sasata (talk) 07:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, but perhaps it goes into too much detail—the interrelationships among other Panellus are not really relevant to this article. Perhaps you can replace everything down from P. mitis with "Other Panellus and Hygrocybe citrinopallida" or something similar. Ucucha 14:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, done. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason we do need the interrelationships of the species between P. mitis and the Hygrocybe–three Panellus clade? Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not really... chopped. Do you know how to make the cladogram appear on the left? I'm thinking it might look better there but am not sure how to do it. Sasata (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I chopped another, revert if you think it is needed. I moved the cladogram to the left with |align=left (an option I added during an earlier FAC). Ucucha 18:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1c comment: Why don't you use the following articles (found in Web of Science and JSTOR):

A taste of my own 1c medicine? I like it :) Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bioluminescence
    • Title: LOW-LEVEL BIOLUMINESCENCE DETECTED IN MYCENA-HAEMATOPUS BASIDIOCARPS

      Author(s): BERMUDES D, PETERSEN RH, NEALSON KH

      Source: MYCOLOGIA Volume: 84 Issue: 5 Pages: 799-802 Published: SEP-OCT 1992

This paper is about a different species, with only passing mention of P. stipticus. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It does give some quantitative data that are currently not in the article (4.6 * 10^9 quanta / s emitted in P. stipticus). Your call whether you want that in the article. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll leave it out, seems like too much detail. I'm entertaining the thought of making the articles List of bioluminescent fungi and/or Bioluminescence in fungi, so this info may make an appearance later. Sasata (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Title: CHEMI-LUMINESCENCE OF PANAL (A SESQUITERPENE) ISOLATED FROM THE LUMINOUS FUNGUS PANELLUS-STIPTICUS

      Author(s): SHIMOMURA O

      Source: PHOTOCHEMISTRY AND PHOTOBIOLOGY Volume: 49 Issue: 3 Pages: 355-360 Published: MAR 1989

Already used. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But spelled slightly differently (chemi-luminescence vs. chemiluminescence). Not sure which is correct, and not very important. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The latter is correct, but I changed it in the article to reflect the incorrect hyphenation of the source title. Sasata (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Title: Fungi bioluminescence revisited

      Author(s): Desjardin DE, Oliveira AG, Stevani CV

      Source: PHOTOCHEMICAL & PHOTOBIOLOGICAL SCIENCES Volume: 7 Issue: 2 Pages: 170-182 Published: 2008

This paper was one of my inspirations for writing this article, but I don't think it has any info that isn't cited already in the article. However, it is a great review paper, so I'll fit in a citation somewhere. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added fact & ref. Sasata (talk) 07:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Detoxification
    • Title: Evaluation of white-rot fungi for detoxification and decolorization of effluents from the green olive debittering process

      Author(s): Aggelis G, Ehaliotis C, Nerud F, et al.

      Source: APPLIED MICROBIOLOGY AND BIOTECHNOLOGY Volume: 59 Issue: 2-3 Pages: 353-360 Published: JUL 2002

When writing the article, I deliberated about mentioning this, then decided it wasn't worthy. But thinking about it some more, this paper and the next make a nice little addition. Do you like the new section? Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is a good addition to the article in illustrating another interesting aspect of this fungus. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Title: Screening for basidiomycetous fungi capable of degrading 2,7-dichlorodibenzo-p-dioxin

      Author(s): Sato A, Watanabe T, Watanabe Y, et al.

      Source: FEMS MICROBIOLOGY LETTERS Volume: 213 Issue: 2 Pages: 213-217 Published: AUG 6 2002

  • Phylogenetics
    • Title: A new genus, Cruentomycena, with Mycena viscidocruenta as type species

      Author(s): Petersen RH, Hughes KW, Lickey EB, et al.

      Source: MYCOTAXON Volume: 105 Pages: 119-136 Published: JUL-SEP 2008

      • (Looks like this is describing a branch currently missing from your cladogram, which is from a 2001 paper.)
I've ordered this paper. Don't really think it's critical information for this article, but it will be handy to have for a future article on Cruentomycena; I'll fill in the cladogram when I get it. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not critical perhaps, but from the abstract it appears to be pretty close to P. stipticus phylogenetically, so that does seem of some importance to me. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Title: Phylogeographic examples of Asian biodiversity in mushrooms and their relatives

      Author(s): Petersen RH, Hughes KW

      Source: FUNGAL DIVERSITY Volume: 13 Pages: 95-109 Published: JUN 2003

This one didn't have any additional information, but since its a nice RS available online, I found a statement that it could cite. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Other
    • Title: Trace metal levels in mushroom samples from Ordu, Turkey

      Author(s): Mendil D, Oluozlu OD, Tuzen M, et al.

      Source: FOOD CHEMISTRY Volume: 91 Issue: 3 Pages: 463-467 Published: JUL 2005

This one I left out purposefully; because the mushroom is not edible, I didn't think metal concentrations would be of general interest. Do you think the fact that Turkish specimens had zinc levels of 162 mg/kg is useful or interesting? If so, I'll fit it in somewhere. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. And I wouldn't advise you to do things I or another reviewer tells you to do if you don't believe it'll improve the article. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I won't, I just like to keep an open mind to suggestions and different perspectives. Sasata (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Title: Causes and consequences of changes to New Zealand's fungal biota

      Author(s): Johnston PR

      Source: NEW ZEALAND JOURNAL OF ECOLOGY Volume: 34 Issue: 1 Special Issue: Sp. Iss. SI Pages: 175-184 Published: 2010

Cool – cutting edge biogeography research published in 2010! I hadn't seen this paper yet. I'm not sure it would add much, as I've already mentioned distribution in New Zealand, but I've ordered the paper ... maybe I can squeeze a sentence or two out of it. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Available online here. Doesn't seem to say much about P. stipticus, actually. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link, will probably use the source for some other articles, but it doesn't add anything here. Sasata (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • New or Interesting Records of Australasian Basidiomycetes, Derek A. Reid, Kew Bulletin, Vol. 10, No. 4 (1955), pp. 631-648 (This is only a few records in Australia with a fairly long description of the species.)
Already there. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for missing it. Ucucha 12:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Beiträge zur Kenntnis der Pilzflora der Mark Brandenburg III. Beobachtungen in den Landschaftsschutzgebieten Krummer See und Sutschketal, Kr. Königswusterhausen, Adolf Straus, Willdenowia, Bd. 4, H. 2 (Dec. 1, 1966), pp. 235-240 (You can't miss the important piece of information that P. stipticus was collected in Brandenburg on May 14, 1949.)
:) I think is is adequately covered in the distribution section (fungus in Europe). Sasata (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • (There is a bit more when searching for Panellus stipticus at JSTOR, will come back later for that.)
  • Most mention it only in passing, but this one may contain interesting information:
    • http://www.jstor.org/pss/3759204 - You can store P. stipticus in mineral oil for 27 years and it survives. Funny paper, but perhaps not too relevant for this article. He found the same in 30 or so other fungi species, so this might even be good stuff for a DYK hook on one of the others.
      • I thought about it, but couldn't see where I could easily integrate this information in this article. But you're right, it will make an interesting DYK hook... I'm working on something right now. Sasata (talk)
  • Ucucha 18:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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