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The point is that the article about Victorio Emanuele Di Savoia was full of false accusation portrayed in Populist and peolple's news style magazine. The article must stay accurate and neutral concerning ongoing political and judiciary issues. Wikipedia is not a people's magazine where one can speculate.--Netquantum 15:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure specifically what you are referring to in the paragraph above. You have been deleting sections which don't fit the description above and are undisputed, sourced fact. I don't understand how you think this is justified. --SandyDancer 15:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Again, the article is full of populist assumptions and propaganda material unchecked and totally untrue. I give you two examples and then please stop waisting our time.

1/ In the article it says: Killing of Dick Hammer ? the prince was aquited 100% by a republican french court. 2/ It says also; Violance, Anti semitism, Freemasonic, his father also never called on Amedeo in Portugal, the king also never ordered the killing of Giacomo Matteotti., etc.

Please remember one more time that wikipedia is not a bulletin board where anyone can speculate about populist articles apearing in the news media.--Netquantum 15:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, it seems that it is you who are wasting our time. Vittorio Emanuele killed Dirk (not Dick!) Hamer (not Hammer!). Not even Vittorio Emanuele disputes that. After all, he paid reparations to the Hamer family! He was found innocent of any crime (well, other than illegal gun possession) in connection with the killing, but nonetheless, he did shoot him, and he did die. You need to acquaint yourself with the facts of Hamer vs. France, which finds " In the night of 17 to 18 August 1978, on leaving a restaurant where he had spent the evening, Prince Victor-Emmanuel noticed that a rubber dinghy belonging to him was moored, for no reason that he knew of, to the stern of the Cocke. Having armed himself with a rifle classified as a military weapon and fitted with a cartridge clip containing thirty-one cartridges, he brought his boat alongside the Cocke to try to recover his property. Confronting a passenger who had been woken by the manoeuvre, Prince Victor-Emmanuel fired twice. The Cocke's passenger, avoiding the shots, threw himself on his assailant and both men fell into the water. However, one of the bullets very seriously wounded a nineteen-year-old German youth, Mr Dirk Hamer, who had been asleep on the deck of the Mapagia. Prince Victor-Emmanuel called for the emergency services and Mr Hamer was admitted to Porto-Vecchio Hospital at about 6 a.m., in a deep coma, with no measurable pulse or blood pressure, the accident having occurred about four hours before. On 19 August 1978 he was transferred to Marseilles Northern Hospital in a very alarming condition. On 30 August 1978, against the advice of the doctors at that hospital, Mr Hamer, whose parents were also doctors, was taken to Heidelberg University Hospital. Intensive care was of no avail, and Mr Hamer died on 7 December 1978 without ever being able to give evidence. An autopsy carried out on 11 December 1978 showed that the bullet wound had been the cause of death." The court did not find that Vittorio didn't kill Dirk, rather it found that the killing was not the result of "clumsiness, carelessness, inattention or negligence". - Nunh-huh 16:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am very sorry for all this but again this is all speculative reports and media news style transformations, the final issue is that Victorrio Emanuele was cleared 100% by an idependant republican french court, all the rest is speculations --Netquantum 17:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not "speculative reports" or "media news style transformations". I have quoted the exact words of the French court's findings! - Nunh-huh 17:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, he was found guilty of illegal possession of arms, which doesn't square well with your 100% figure. And he wasn't cleared of "killing": the court found that he had killed Dirk Hamer. Stop mis-stating the facts, as you're not fooling anyone. - Nunh-huh 17:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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