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Can we loose the International Volunteer Day redlink before this hits the front page. -- AJR | Talk 17:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done —Mets501 (talk) 15:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No love for the ninja? The pirates were already mentioned on September 19th. --Paul Soth 05:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any room for Flight 19? Anynobody 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article selection[edit]

I was under the impression that article quality was a determining factor in making this list so I was surprised to see the GA-class Birmingham Americans article bumped for a Start-class Great Smog article. As this last-minute change was made without any explanation I can see (the edit summary is non-descriptive) I would normally be bold, as suggested, but with the date rapidly approaching I'll err on the side of caution. Any guidance on this point would be appreciated. - Dravecky (talk) 08:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Legacy of Pedro II of Brazil (Pedro II was POTD on 2012-11-15)
Omitted: Brooklyn Theater Fire; Flight 19; Great Smog
Included: Noble train of artillery (first appearance); 1936 Soviet Constitution (3rd appearance, last in 2006); Civil Partnership Act 2004 (first appearance)
Repeats: Summis desiderantes affectibus (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); Gough Whitlam (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes[edit]

Omitted: Summis desiderantes affectibus; Noble train of artillery
Included: Brooklyn Theater Fire (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Prohibition in the United States/Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution (Prohibition: 2nd appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible; Amendment: 3rd appearance, last in 2009)
Repeats: 1936 Soviet Constitution (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); Gough Whitlam (4th consecutive appearance, 4 total); Civil Partnership Act 2004 (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes[edit]

Omitted: Prohibition in the United States; 1936 Soviet Constitution; Gough Whitlam; Civil Partnership Act 2004
Included: Summis desiderantes affectibus (5th appearance, last in 2012); H. H. Asquith (first appearance); Legacy of Pedro II of Brazil (first appearance; 75th anniversary); Birmingham Americans (2nd appearance, last in 2010; 40th anniversary)
Repeats: Brooklyn Theater Fire (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes[edit]

Omitted: Brooklyn Theater fire; H. H. Asquith; Legacy of Pedro II of Brazil; Birmingham Americans
Included: International Volunteer Day (first appearance); Noble train of artillery (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Flight 19 (6th appearance, last in 2011; 70th anniversary); Glasnost Meeting (first appearance; 50th anniversary); Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 56 (first appearance; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: Summis desiderantes affectibus (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 blurb for resignation of H. H. Asquith[edit]

1916 – British Prime Minister H. H. Asquith (pictured) resigned after criticism of his leadership during World War I.

I think the fact that World War I was still being fought when he resigned should be stated. As written, a reader who isn't aware of the year the war ended could get the impression that his resignation occurred (shortly) after the war. Furthermore, the article about him states, "Continued crises... shook the confidence of MPs in him, and when conflict with Lloyd George erupted in December 1916, Asquith could not keep their support, and he resigned" so the word criticism seems insufficient. I propose rewriting the blurb to read Amid World War I and following his loss of support in Parliament, British Prime Minister H. H. Asquith resigned. --Dyspeptic skeptic (talk) 10:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes[edit]

Omitted: Noble train of artillery; Flight 19; Glasnost Meeting; Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 56
Included: Brooklyn Theatre fire (4th appearance, last in 2014); H. H. Asquith (2nd appearance, last in 2014; 100th anniversary); 1936 Soviet Constitution (5th appearance, last in 2013; 80th anniversary); Birmingham Americans (3rd appearance, last in 2014)
Repeats: Summis desiderantes affectibus (3rd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 05:17, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes[edit]

Deleted: Requiem (Mozart) (not suitable for inclusion on this date)
Moved to Ineligible: Great Smog of London (maintenance)
Omitted: Saint Nicholas (ineligible—maintenance); Bhumibol Adulyadej (ineligible—maintenance); Summis desiderantes affectibus; H. H. Asquith; 1936 Soviet Constitution (ineligible—maintenance); Birmingham Americans
Included: Battle of Leuthen (3rd appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); Preston By-pass (first appearance); Gough Whitlam (5th appearance, last in 2013); Westroads Mall shooting (first appearance; 10th anniversary); Joan, Countess of Flanders (first appearance); Louise Bryant (first appearance); Amrita Sher-Gil (first appearance)
Repeats: Brooklyn Theatre fire (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes[edit]

Deleted: Saint Nicholas (moved to December 6)
Omitted: Battle of Leuthen; Brooklyn Theatre fire; Gough Whitlam; Westroads Mall shooting; Joan, Countess of Flanders; Louise Bryant; Amrita Sher-Gil
Included: Summis desiderantes affectibus (8th appearance, last in 2016); Noble train of artillery (3rd appearance, last in 2015); H. H. Asquith (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 56 (2nd appearance, last in 2015); Phillis Wheatley (first appearance); Afanasy Fet (first appearance); Princess Alice of Battenberg (first appearance)
Repeats: Preston By-pass (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 60th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:50, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes[edit]

New articles (ineligible): Jacobus Anthonie Meessen (TFA for 2019)
Omitted: Noble train of artillery; H. H. Asquith; Preston By-pass; Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 56; Phillis Wheatley; Afanasy Fet
Included: Battle of Leuthen (4th appearance, last in 2017); Flight 19 (7th appearance, last in 2015); Glasnost meeting (2nd appearance, last in 2015); Civil Partnership Act 2004 (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Ealhswith (first appearance); Clyde Cessna (first appearance)
Repeats: Summis desiderantes affectibus (2nd consecutive appearance, 9 total); Princess Alice of Battenberg (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 50th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes[edit]

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Jacobus Anthonie Meessen
Omitted: Summis desiderantes affectibus; Glasnost meeting; Civil Partnership Act 2004; Ealhswith; Clyde Cessna; Princess Alice of Battenberg
Included: Noble train of artillery (4th appearance, last in 2018); Birmingham Americans (4th appearance, last in 2016); Afanasy Fet (3rd appearance, last in 2019; also appeared on December 3, his death anniversary; 200th birthday); John Jellicoe, 1st Earl Jellicoe (first appearance); Clair Cameron Patterson (first appearance; 25th anniversary)
Repeats: Battle of Leuthen (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total); Flight 19 (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total; 75th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes[edit]

New articles (ineligible): James Guthrie (Kentucky politician) (POTD for 2021)
Omitted: Battle of Leuthen; Flight 19; Birmingham Americans; Afanasy Fet; John Jellicoe, 1st Earl Jellicoe; Clair Cameron Patterson
Included: Summis desiderantes affectibus (10th appearance, last in 2019); 1936 Constitution of the Soviet Union (6th appearance, last in 2016); Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 56 (3rd appearance, last in 2018); Civil Partnership Act 2004 (4th appearance, last in 2019); Jacobus Anthonie Meessen (first appearance); René Cresté (first appearance); Amrita Sher-Gil (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 80th anniversary)
Repeats: Noble train of artillery (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 04:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]