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Today's featured article for September 25, 2024
SMS Helgoland SMS Helgoland (pictured) was a dreadnought battleship of the German Imperial Navy. Her design improved from the Nassau class, including an increase in the bore diameter of the main guns. Her keel was laid down at the Howaldtswerke shipyards in Kiel, launched on 25 September 1909, and commissioned on 23 August 1911. During World War I the ship participated in several sweeps into the North Sea as the covering force for the battlecruisers of the I Scouting Group. She saw limited duty in the Baltic Sea against the Russian Navy, including serving as part of a support force during the Battle of the Gulf of Riga in August 1915. Helgoland was present at the Battle of Jutland on 31 May – 1 June 1916, though she was located in the center of the German line of battle and not as heavily engaged as the ships in the lead. She was ceded to Great Britain after the war and broken up for scrap in the early 1920s. Her coat of arms is preserved in the Bundeswehr Military History Museum in Dresden. (Full article...) Recently featured: Pinkerton (album) Arthur O. Austin Qalaherriaq Archive By email More featured articles About view – talk – edit – history – watch
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File:Shostakovichportraitphoto.jpg

Shostie looking at today's Main Page in disbelief.

Today all the world celebrates the 100th anniversary of Dmitri Shostakovich, except Wikipedia. His name is not mentioned anywhere on Main Page, although we have a featured article about the guy. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another problem. Is there any real evidence that the image featured in the template really represents Bayezid I? What is its copyright status? Please join discussion on Talk:Bayezid I. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, Ghirla. Shostakovich is now on MainPage. -- PFHLai 12:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please replace Harald III with Harald Hardrada and Harold II with Harold Godwinson. My eyes starts bleeding each time I see numerals in use for medieval Scandinavian monarchs. Fornadan (t) 12:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Hope your eyes get better soon, Fornadan. Take care. -- PFHLai 13:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes

Deleted: Sandra Day O'Connor (moved to September 21)
Omitted: Battle of Nicopolis; Russian frigate Alexander Nevsky; Chicago Marathon; Maze Prison escape; Magdalene asylum
Included: Marcus Claudius Tacitus (first appearance); Battle of Longue-Pointe (first appearance); French battleship Liberté (first appearance); North Yemen Civil War (first appearance); Shenzhou 7 (first appearance)

All five articles making their OTD debuts! —howcheng {chat} 06:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Magdalene asylum
Omitted: Marcus Claudius Tacitus; Battle of Longue-Pointe; North Yemen Civil War; Chicago Marathon
Included: Battle of Nicopolis (8th appearance, last in 2011); Peking opera (first appearance); Maze Prison escape (5th appearance, last in 2011; 30th anniversary)
Repeats: French battleship Liberté (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Shenzhou 7 (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 09:17, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes

Omitted: Battle of Nicopolis; Peking opera; French battleship Liberté; Maze Prison escape; Shenzhou 7
Included: Alid Revolt (762–63) (first appearance); Russian frigate Alexander Nevsky (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Operation Berlin (Arnhem)/Battle of Arnhem (Operation: first appearance; Battle: 2nd appearance, last in 2009); Tommy John surgery (first appearance; 40th anniversary); Magdalene asylum (8th appearance, last in 2011)

—howcheng {chat} 06:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes

Omitted: Alid Revolt (762–63); Russian frigate Alexander Nevsky; Operation Berlin (Arnhem); Tommy John surgery; Magdalene asylum
Included: Marcus Claudius Tacitus (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Peking opera (2nd appearance, last in 2013; 225th anniversary); French battleship Liberté (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Mozambican War of Independence (first appearance); Maze Prison escape (6th appearance, last in 2013)

—howcheng {chat} 06:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Chicago Marathon (maintenance)
Omitted: Tacitus (emperor); Peking opera; Mozambican War of Independence; Maze Prison escape
Included: Battle of Nicopolis (9th appearance, last in 2013); Battle of Longue-Pointe (2nd appearance, last in 2012); North Yemen Civil War (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Magdalene asylum (9th appearance, last in 2014; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: French battleship Liberté (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Shenzhou 7 (maintenance)
Omitted: Battle of Nicopolis; Battle of Longue-Pointe; North Yemen Civil War; Magdalene asylum
Included: Treaty of York (first appearance); Peking opera (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Battle of Arnhem (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Yazid III (first appearance); Oliver Loving (first appearance); Cheryl Tiegs (first appearance)
Repeats: French battleship Liberté (3rd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:59, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Russian frigate Alexander Nevsky (maintenance)
Omitted: Treaty of York; French battleship Liberté; Ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction; Yazid III (deleted—exact death date unknown); Oliver Loving; Cheryl Tiegs
Included: Marcus Claudius Tacitus (3rd appearance, last in 2015); Chicago Marathon (3rd appearance, last in 2012; rescued from Ineligible); Ram Rath Yatra (first appearance); Glenn Gould (first appearance); John Bonham (first appearance); Marian Breland Bailey (first appearance)
Repeats: Peking opera (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); Battle of Arnhem (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:00, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes

New articles (ineligible): Jessica Anderson (maintenance; moved from July 9)
Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Little Rock Nine
New articles (unused):José Fernández (pitcher); Catherine Zeta-Jones (should have been included because 50th birthday... oops)
Omitted: Marcus Claudius Tacitus; Peking opera; Chicago Marathon; Ram Rath Yatra; Glenn Gould; John Bonham; Marian Breland Bailey
Included: Viking raid on Seville (first appearance; 1175th anniversary); Battle of Longue-Pointe (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Mozambican War of Independence (2nd appearance, last in 2015); Magdalene asylum (10th appearance, last in 2016); Arthur Lyon Fremantle (first appearance); Miller Huggins (first appearance; 90th birthday); Johannes Brost (first appearance)
Repeats: Battle of Arnhem (3rd consecutive appearance, 5 total; 75th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 16:23, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes

New articles (unused): Johann Heinrich Lambert; Billy Hughes
Omitted: Viking raid on Seville; Battle of Longue-Pointe; Battle of Arnhem; Mozambican War of Independence (ineligible—maintenance); Magdalene asylum (ineligible—maintenance); Arthur Lyon Fremantle; Miller Huggins; Johannes Brost
Included: Battle of Stamford Bridge (8th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Nicopolis (10th appearance, last in 2016); Chicago Marathon (4th appearance, last in 2018); Ram Rath Yatra (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 30th anniversary); Robert Brackman (first appearance); Jacqueline Audry (first appearance); John Bonham (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 40th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 00:26, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes

Omitted: Battle of Stamford Bridge; Chicago Marathon; Ram Rath Yatra; Robert Brackman; Jacqueline Audry; John Bonham
Included: Treaty of York (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Invasion of Curaçao (1800) (first appearance); Battle of Arnhem (6th appearance, last in 2019); Sandra Day O'Connor (first appearance; 40th anniversary); Billy Hughes (first appearance); Johannes Brost (2nd appearance, last in 2019; 75th birthday); Marian Breland Bailey (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 20th anniversary)
Repeats: Battle of Nicopolis (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total; 625th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 05:10, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022 notes

Moved to Ineligible: Ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction (maintenance); Arthur Lyon Fremantle (maintenance)
Omitted: Treaty of York; Battle of Nicopolis; Invasion of Curaçao (1800); Battle of Arnhem; Sandra Day O'Connor; Billy Hughes (ineligible—maintenance); Johannes Brost
Included: Battle of Longue-Pointe (4th appearance, last in 2019); Peking opera (5th appearance, last in 2018); North Yemen Civil War (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 60th anniversary); Chicago Marathon (5th appearance, last in 2020); Ram Rath Yatra (3rd appearance, last in 2020); Catherine Zeta-Jones (first appearance); José Fernández (pitcher) (first appearance)
Repeats: Marian Breland Bailey (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 18:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]