Wikipedia talk:Upload/Archive/2007

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Protected

Grr, why is this protected? I want to edit it. :-( --Iamunknown 04:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC) Oh, its "Go directly" not "Go directy" :-)

I've fixed the typo and changed to semi protection (dont ban me is the typical state for sidebar pages). Dragons flight 04:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you. --Iamunknown 17:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think full protection was applied because it's intended to be a replacement for Special:Upload (which, being a special page, is protected by definition). I guess there's no harm in leaving it a while and seeing whether or not it attracts any vandalism – Gurch 22:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

It says "File upload wizard". I don't see any wizards. Dfrg.msc 07:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion?

Where was this change discussed before being implemented? Noclip 02:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext#Proposal for mass overhaul, matching Commons. —METS501 (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Question

Wouldn't it be more sensible to apply only the possible upload options to each category (eg own work only allows own work upload license options) or is this not technically possible? GDonato (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Uncle G 11:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

That is seriously good. GDonato (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Also the toolbox option should make some differentiation such as "upload file (speedy)" or something? GDonato (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

It did at one point. Please take it up with Rdsmith4, who made this edit to remove the very explanatory text that you desire. Uncle G 11:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Will do. GDonato (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest that a better option is call this one by a different name (e.g. Upload wizard, upload form) rather than renaming the normal version that people are already used to. Dragons flight 01:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree ("Upload file wizard"). GDonato (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I've changed Mediawiki:Uploadwizard to "Upload file wizard". Because of caching, this change to the sidebar (like all sidebar changes) may take a bit of time to be visible. Dragons flight 20:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Free content directly to Commons

At MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext#Proposal for mass overhaul, matching Commons it has been suggested that free content uploads be sent directly to Commons by this Wizard. That would simply involve changing the "own work" and "work of the U.S. Federal government" links here so that they point to the same places that commons:Project:Upload does. Alternatively, we could provide local and Commons upload links side by side. (e.g. "It is entirely my own work (click here if you do not want to make it usable across all Wikimedia Foundation projects).") Please discuss. Uncle G 11:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Alternate link

Already know the license? Go directly to the upload form.

I think this is important because experienced users should be given an easy way to avoid this form. He says that "It is from somewhere else" is equivalent because it links to the same place. I disagree. "It is from somewhere else" is not an evident way to skip the form, and hence it does not serve the same purpose. Furthermore, "It is from somewhere else" ought to link to its own upload form for whatever options are missing. Hence, they ought to be different. Dragons flight 20:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

There's no reason to remove the redundancy here; having both links is sensible. --ais523 12:58, 24 May 2007 (U T C)

I agree; redundancy is often good for the inexperienced, and complaints abound when commonsense redundancy disappears. For example, I hate that in Windows Paintbrush, the magnifying glass allows zoom of 1x, 2x, 6x, and 8x, but 4x is only available from the menu, and is listed as "Large Size". --205.201.141.146 17:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Permanent protection in the absense of serious ongoing vandalism is anti-wiki and inconsistent with the treatment of most other sidebar pages (the only other permenant protection is Wikipedia:Contact, where arguably providing wrong contact info for the foundation would be a much bigger issue). Dragons flight 17:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I requested full protection because one piece of vandalism lasted 17 minutes; this is unacceptable on such a high-visibility page. GDonato (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Feel free to encourage other people to watch this page, but no current vandalism should mean no protection. There has been only 1 vandal in the page's entire history and he is now blocked. This page is not so important that a single vandal should lead to permanent protection. Dragons flight 18:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I disagree because the page is simply too oftenly viewed (like the Main Page) to allow any vandalism whatsoever. GDonato (talk) 19:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I protected the page per the RFPP request because I agree; now that this page is considered our main upload form, it is far too big a target for vandalism. Semi-protection is certainly OK for most of the other pages on the sidebar: after all, when was the last time you visited "Community portal" or "Make a donation"? =P Uploading files, on the other hand, is an integral part of building the wiki; everybody visits this page. Krimpet (talk) 19:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Fully endorse protection. Page is of extremely high visibility and doesn't need much editing anyway. Legitimate edits will be performed by an admin if there's consensus, as done with the main page. Michaelas¹⁰ 20:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. This should get protection as does any interface page. —METS501 (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The duplicate link to Special:Upload

Hi. Uncle G, why have you removed the link yet again? You have been reverted three times, and yet you still do it? Please explain. --Iamunknown 04:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Screen Shot

Would it be possible to add the following to the Wizzard:

It is a screen shot of a Wikipedia article / page

I know I had a very difficult time finding the right copywrite tag to use for a Wikipedia screen shot. Thanks for considering my request --Dbiel 07:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Note: the current screen shot wizard opens to a page that would seem not to be usable for Wikipedia screen shots. Editing that page to clearly state that it may be used for Wikipedia Screen shots AND indicating which copywrite tag to use for Wikipedia Screen shots would be an acceptable way of modifiying the wizard. --Dbiel 07:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The last selection under screenshot is 'Wikipedia page screenshot' so it would seem fairly clear to me, I am not sure that I understand what you mean, GDonato (talk) 09:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia screenshots are a complete mess copyright wise. Not sure we want to encourage them.Geni 20:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Fill in some info into the upload description box

This is looking really good, much easier to understand than before. But could we not have it even more like commons so that when you click on a link in the description box of the upload form the {{Information}} template is added and some info filled in. Ie

{{Information
|    Description = 
|         Source = self-made
|           Date = 
|       Location = 
|         Author = ~~~
|     Permission = 
| other_versions = 
}}

Then people might have a better idea of what info they should put in. C hris_huh^talk 10:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I made a proposal at The Village Pump. --Steinn inn 00:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate link

IMHO it's really poor usability to have two "upload file" links in the main side bar. Just keep the wizard and add a link to the bottom of the wizard for people who know what they're doing. Stevage 15:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Can the "Upload file" link hided using CSS? This has been done in the Chinese Wikipedia. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 05:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, if someone manages to do so, please tell me about it so that I can duplicate the process for is: --Steinn inn 17:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I made a proposal at The Village Pump. --Steinn inn 00:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki links

Can the sysops please add the interlanguage link for the Cantonese language (zh-yue:Wikipedia:上載), thanks. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 05:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. —METS501 (talk) 00:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Useful

this page is very useful to us — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.206.162 (talk • contribs)

Glad to hear it :-) —METS501 (talk) 15:51, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

is and zh interwiki link

{{editprotected}}

is:Wikipedia:Hlaða_inn and zh:Wikipedia:上传 --Steinn inn 03:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Done —METS501 (talk) 03:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Video file

I want to upload or place a video file. How can it be done --Prabath

Just upload it like you would a photo. Keep in mind, though, we have limitations on the type of file that can be uploaded. See Wikipedia:Media for more. —METS501 (talk) 12:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wizards

The term "Wizard" is very ambiguous (not to mention a bit Windows-centric). I think a term like "Easy file upload" or "Guided file upload" would be much more specific and help distinguish this from the normal "Upload file" link. --Ezra Katz 18:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Link for "from a U.S. federal government source"

Shouldn't it link to the Wikimedia Commons upload form? --Pmsyyz 18:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't want to send so many people to commons right now. They feel that they wouldn't be able to handle the influx of possibly mistagged images. That coupled with the toolserver issues would make maintenance of problematic images used on enwiki difficult. - cohesion 00:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wording

{{editprotect}} Could someone change "image from some website" to "image from a website" as the former doesn't sound particularly professional. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 20:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Done Tra (Talk) 22:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

'or of a currency'

Can we change this to something like:

Image of a postage stamp, or of a currency

Image of a postage stamp, or of coinage or banknotes

or something else... Thanks, Damon! AC Best My Contributions Autograph Book 22:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

appears to read "or of currency" which doesn't have the grammatical problem above. --Selket ^Talk 01:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting problem

The Image:Information icon.svg on the my own work upload link covers the text in the "Please read this important message first" section (IE 7.0.5739.11IC, 1024 x 768 resolution).--ragesoss 16:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. —METS501 (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Sidebar changed

I removed the duplicate link in the sidebar, I'm not sure why it wasn't done earlier. I set $wgUploadNavigationUrl to this wizard. I also put a note on MediaWiki talk:Sidebar. -- Tim Starling 07:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks! —METS501 (talk) 14:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I always felt like there was some secret opposition, maybe not. This is much better imho :D - cohesion 16:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been waiting for this change. Thanks Tim. --Steinn inn 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Voice-of-All 07:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I Wish There Was a New Feature!

A new feature is that I can upload videos instead of images. This is DEFINITELY going to be on my Wikipedia wishlist! PNiddy Go! 0 00:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You can, for more information see Wikipedia:Media#Video. We do only use Ogg Theora for video, which is somewhat inconvenient for most people, but there are people on that page that have volunteered to help. - cohesion 01:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit to protected page

{{editprotected}} Can someone make a note that there is a shortcut to the page (WP:UPLOAD)? 66.66.65.237 13:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

There really isn't a decent place to put that information. If you think of a good way, feel free to re-enable the editprotected request. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you use this for anything other than making links? It's in the sidebar. - cohesion 01:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

CC-BY-SA-3.0

now that the CC 3.0 licenses have been approved, can they be added to the drop down?— Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim}^dagnabbit!) 21:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This was done a while ago. If we missed somewhere point it out :) - cohesion 02:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Automatic copyright tag inclusion

{{editprotected}} Given the architecture of Wikipedia, is possible to automatically include a copyright tag or other things into the upload text box based on somebody's previous input/clicks? As far as I can tell, even using the Upload Wizard, it requires people to cut and paste stuff in. I'm thinking of something similar to the drop-down list, but one which operates more through wikilinks and/or radio buttons. Drewcifer3000 20:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you should ask at WP:VPT. --Steinn inn 04:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Good call, I will. Thanks. Drewcifer3000 05:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I happen to know the answer to that question. Since rev:24324 you can add &wpUploadDescription=some_text to URL and prepopulate the «Summary» textbox. We definitely could use it (good example with {{Non-free use rationale}} preloaded), the only downside is that URL is getting very long. And of course, there is also the other option - to add this with Javascript like on Commons ∴ Alex Smotrov 13:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Since this seems like a very nice idea, I think it should be added. --Steinn inn 23:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried my own little version, but the template seems to be breaking it all the time User:Steinninn/upload --Steinn inn 00:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not quite ready for an editprotected tag. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Steinninn: I fixed your URL with template inside. And yes, {editprotected} should only be added after some discussions and consensus ∴ Alex Smotrov 01:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

TH interwiki

I'm wondering if any sysop can add an interwiki link to Thai Wikipedia th:วิกิพีเดีย:อัปโหลด

Many thanks. --Manop - TH 18:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Done Thanks ; GDonato (talk) 19:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Commons upload link

Please put a link to the commons upload form:

Commons:Upload

I believe it would encourage people to upload there. They won't do it if they don't know about it. --Timeshifter 00:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Done Thanks. GDonato (talk) 18:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Commons is already mentioned if you click «my own work» or «from a U.S. federal» ∴ Alex Smotrov 19:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I know but another can't do any harm. GDonato (talk) 12:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to Commons:Upload. A lot of people, myself included, probably just click the nearest "upload file" link, and if they happen to be editing on wikipedia at the time, then they get sent to Wikipedia:Upload. It is a great convenience to be able to get quickly to Commons:Upload, especially if one has a free image. It helps everybody if people upload to the commons instead of to wikipedia. --Timeshifter 23:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Link to page for all image copyright tags

The Commons:Upload page links to the page of all copyright tags.

It uses this sentence to do so:

"See also the full list of copyright tags for many nations. The first section of that page also has other general tags for public domain sources."

It was my suggestion, because otherwise it was a long circuitous route through various tutorial pages to get to the actual list of copyright tags that in the end one often had to choose from.

The equivalent page on wikipedia is:

Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All

So on the wikipedia upload form the sentence in clickable form could look like this:

See also the full list of copyright tags for many nations. The public domain section of that page also has other general tags for public domain sources.

This would solve a lot of problems. I had to spend several minutes hunting for that wikipedia page of copyright tags. A quick link on the upload form is better. --Timeshifter 01:38, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The page Special:Upload, which is the upload page for the images that don't fit any of the other selections, already has a link to the list of tags. This is the page where that would actually be useful, so better to keep it there, I think, and keep the form as simple as possible. - cohesion 20:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

How would someone know to go to Special:Upload to find Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All? A lot of veteran wikipedia editors only occasionally upload images, and all they really want is that list of copyright tags, in order to pick the one they used before, or to find a better one. They may not want to wade through the more complex Special:Upload page first. They may know that until they find the right tag all else is just a waste of time.

On the Special:Upload page I don't see a link to the full list of copyright tags: Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All. --Timeshifter 23:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem

I have a question, I have the photographers permission to use photos that he took to use on a Wikipedia article but how do i upload a photo then put that i have the persons permission? Cheers (♠Taifarious1♠) 06:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

You may need to look through the complete list of copyright tags linked below to see if any of them apply:

Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All

But it seems wikipedia is not making it easy to find that complete list. Please see the previous section. --Timeshifter 10:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

If the photos I want to upload already have a Creative Commons license on them can I upload them without having the author filling out a copyright permission form? Please help (♠Taifarious1♠) 09:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Well User:Taifarious, as User:Murchy you have had multiple images deleted for blatant copyright violations, and you have been caught out uploading copyrighted text too, and you ignored and deleted all requests for clarification, so no one is going to believe you have the photographer's permission unless you provide irrefutable documentation Kahuroa 19:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Well then, how do i go about getting "irrefutable documentation"?? (♠Taifarious1♠) 05:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggest you talk to the photographer about that. It will need to be documentation that can be easily followed up and verified by an administrator, which probably means some kind of statement on the website where the photos can be viewed. Kahuroa 05:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Please follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission, including forwarding the confirmation to the permission email provided. Also, I disagree that we haven't made this easy, if someone clicks upload the second major line says, "It is the work of someone else, who has given permission to use it on Wikipedia". When you click that you are given very clear instructions. These instructions are much more specific and helpful than Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All. - cohesion 00:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

We need both pieces of help info. A link to Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/All at the very beginning would help many people. There are different help paths needed depending on the image being uploaded. --Timeshifter 13:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Flickr

Would anyone have any qualms about either making a flickr-specific upload page or changing the "from a website" drop down choices to have the flickr licenses? I have seen a handful of images from flickr where the uploader picks a CC 3.0 license, presumably because that's what is available. What I would really like would be to have something similar to the Commons flickrreview template that we could add to anything uploaded using the from a website dropdown. I think that would let us catch a lot of copyvios. --B 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind something explaining that commons is where those images should go, but I don't think we should duplicate all the good work done at the commons regarding flickr reviewing etc. If something is creative commons licensed, it should go to the commons. Maybe we should make a "From flickr" link that explained that? - cohesion 01:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

That's fine ... but I think that if someone decides to upload the image here anyway, we need to make the right license choices available. And I would really like to have a template called {{uploadedfromwebsite}} that gets tagged onto every image uploaded from the "from a website" option. These images, I would think, will be the most frequent source of copyvios and it would be nice to have them singled out for examination. --B 05:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

They are, the template is {{Somewebsite}}. Is this what you mean? This is what gets added when someone selects that the image is "from a website" or from "somewhere else" and then selects "found the image somewhere". Are you referring to the fact that flickr uses old cc licenses? - cohesion 01:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

No no no ... two separate things. (1) The flickr licenses need to be available for selection. (2) No matter what license someone chooses from that page, a hidden template or category should be added to the page that tags it as needing to be reviewed. My contention is that a substantial number of our copyvios come from that page and that tagging everything uploaded there for further review would be a good thing. Once an admin or experienced user reviews it to make sure it looks like a user-authored image, you just remove the template. This would be for flickr or anything else uploaded using the "from a website" page. --B 03:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

How was the wizard hacked?

Any documentation on how the Upload Wizard was hacked? Any descriptions anywhere? Stephen Ewen 02:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's how: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Redesigning_the_upload_form Stephen Ewen 06:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Commons Banner

Could the section on Commons be made more eye-catching? At least with bold font or something.. just an idea.. --Canislupusarctos 04:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC) ditte styrer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.92.95.247 (talk) 05:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposal for the renaming of Wikipedia:Fromowner and related pages

I've written up a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Fromowner for renaming the pages, categories and templates involved in the "fromowner system", a related file upload wizard involving placeholder images. In particular, I'm proposing that the project pages used by that parallel system, currently at titles such as Wikipedia:Fromowner, be renamed into subpages of Wikipedia:Upload. Please feel welcome to comment on the proposal. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Creative Commons 2.0

What do i do to upload a photo with a creative commons 2.0 lisence on it? i cant find a 2.0 lisence on the drop-down list for uploading. (♠Taifarious1♠) 12:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Upload form needs to be filled in

Please see commons:Special:Upload.

It has the template text already in the form.

Special:Upload on wikipedia needs it too. Here is the text below from the commons form:

{{Information

|Description=

|Source=

|Date=

|Author=

|Permission=

|other_versions=

}}

This gets to the point of the form right away, and focuses the mind of newbies deciphering the upload process. It is also a reminder to more experienced uploaders who haven't uploaded in awhile. Here is what the empty template produces:

{{Information |Description= |Source= |Date= |Author= |Permission= |other_versions= }}

So it looks like Wikipedia uses the same form.--Timeshifter 20:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this edit can't be done by editing this page. I think you need to write it in JavaScript; make a request at MediaWiki talk:Common.js. (Presumably, copying the code from Commons will work, but it's somewhat complicated and I can't figure out which parts need to be copied. Asking on that page is a good idea because then the admins skilled in changing sitewide JavaScript will eb aware of the request.) --ais523 09:02, 3 December 2007 (U T C)

I don't understand how it is done at the commons. Nor do I understand anything at MediaWiki talk:Common.js. Could you ask there about getting the {{Information}} template code in the Special:Upload form as at commons:Special:Upload? You seem to know more about what is going on. I don't understand Javascript, and I don't really understand what I am asking there. I initiated a discussion at MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#Special:Upload, but I could use your help. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be great to figure out how Commons does it, but until then this might work. --Steinn inn 02:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Really, something needs to be done here. There are at least 3 alternate way to make upload process easier, and it's a shame that none of them is currently used:

code in MediaWiki:Common.js that automatically inserts the template text on page load (like at commons:)
<charinsert> tags at the bottom of MediaWiki:Uploadtext which would work that same way as in MediaWiki:Edittools
non-JavaScript solution with wpUploadDescription= URL parameter (like Steinninn's page above). To me this looks like the best solution, especially since we are using intermediate page Wikipedia:Upload anyway

∴ AlexSm 03:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I just discovered the usefulness of using <pre> </pre> to keep the line breaks in the {{Information}} template code below:

{{Information
|Description=
|Source=
|Date=
|Author=
|Permission=
|other_versions=
}}

Can <pre> </pre> be used to help put the template code in the Special:Upload form as at commons:Special:Upload?--Timeshifter (talk) 18:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

At the other discussion at MediaWiki talk:Common.js#Special:Upload AlexSm pointed out that looking at the pages found by clicking any of the first 8 links at User:Steinninn/upload will show upload forms with the template text preloaded. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Preload description and use rationale templates

We need to have the upload interface preload the skeleton for Template:Information or Template:Non-free use rationale automatically. This will help cut down on the number of images uploaded without source information. This has been suggested several times, for example in the thread above and at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal for change to the Upload File interface.

I created an updated version of Wikipedia:Upload at User:Remember the dot/Sandbox. Since it's not going to cause any damage and can be easily reverted if necessary, would an administrator please copy-and-paste the code from User:Remember the dot/Sandbox to Wikipedia:Upload? —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Preloading will break ImageTaggingBot: it can't tell the difference between an empty {{information}} template and one that's been filled out, or between an empty {{Non-free use rationale}} template and a valid one. --Carnildo (talk) 05:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if my opinion matters or not considering it's already implemented, but I don't like this. When someone uploads an image, the summary gets used as an initial edit summary as well correct? When I upload images, I just put "initial upload" in the summary box which makes more sense to me as an edit summary. Afterwards, I'll go back and add my own summary section for the image.--Rockfang (talk) 10:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's not like the ImageTaggingBot is going to go around tagging images with sources as not having them, and it should be relatively easy to change the bot to check if the template was not filled out. Also, Template:Information automatically adds image without a source to Category:Images without source. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 06:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea, I had proposed something similar at the village pump. In theory a user will now know that "something" is wrong with their upload since there is nothing next to the equal sign. This should increase compliance with our NFCC policies. My only question to RTD is: does the summary only appear if you click an FU licensing reason or is it there no matter what? I think we'd only want it to appear if a FU reasonw as selected, as other templates should be used for say user-created, gov't works, etc. Mbisanz (talk) 06:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

You can try it for yourself at User:Remember the dot/Sandbox. Template:Information is used for free image uploads and Template:Non-free use rationale is used for non-free image uploads. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 06:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Could just be me, but when I switch from a Non-FU licensing to a FU-Liciesing, the template text doesn't change. Mbisanz (talk) 07:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

When you just select the generic upload, it only uses Template:Information. If the user is uploading non-free, it doesn't know to change the template, and it would be complicated to implement that feature. However, a generic information template is still a big step up. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 19:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that a generic tempalte is better than none, my main concern is that BetaCommandBot tagsd FU articles that don't have a mention of which article they are being used in, and the non0FU template doesn't have a line for that. Is there anyway to edit that template to make Article = an option variable? Mbisanz (talk) 00:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That's really not a good idea, since Template:Information is used primarily for free images which do not require mention of the article. It's better to just have a generic information template for generic uploads, which will at least get us source information more often. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 01:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I support your prop then. I might make a request somewhere for a semi-automated tool that would add article info to a FU image, but require a user to check and make sure its the right FUR for that article. Any idea where to ask that? Mbisanz (talk) 02:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). —Remember the dot ^(talk) 02:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for updating Wikipedia:Upload! Could you please make one more change? It occurred to me that if the user says that the file is their own work, the "Source" field should automatically be filled in as "self-made", like it is on the Commons. So, please change:

* It is entirely [{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=en-ownwork&wpUploadDescription={{Information%0A|Description=%0A|Source=%0A|Date=%0A|Location=%0A|Author=%0A|Permission=%0A|other_versions=%0A}}}} my own work]

to

* It is entirely [{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=en-ownwork&wpUploadDescription={{Information%0A|Description=%0A|Source=self-made%0A|Date=%0A|Location=%0A|Author=%0A|Permission=%0A|other_versions=%0A}}}} my own work]

Thanks again! —Remember the dot ^(talk) 08:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed another issue that needs to be corrected at the same time. The "promotional photo" link is preloading Template:Information instead of Template:Non-free use rationale. Please change:

* It is a [{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=en-nonfree&wpUploadDescription={{Information%0A|Description=%0A|Source=%0A|Date=%0A|Location=%0A|Author=%0A|Permission=%0A|other_versions=%0A}}}} promotional photo] from an advertisement, press kit, or other promotional source

to

* It is a [{{fullurl:Special:Upload|uselang=en-nonfree&wpUploadDescription={{Non-free%20use%20rationale%0A|Article=%0A|Description=%0A|Source=%0A|Portion=%0A|Low_resolution=%0A|Purpose=%0A|Replaceability=%0A|other_information=%0A}}}} promotional photo] from an advertisement, press kit, or other promotional source

—Remember the dot ^(talk) 18:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Done Gimmetrow 03:04, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)