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CART Most Improved Driver

I came across the CART "STP Most Improved Driver" award from 1979-1999 in the Wayback Machine (http://web.archive.org/web/20061019055932/http://www.champcarworldseries.com/Results/Awards.asp?ID=14). Should these be added to those seasons, and if so, where? Asher413 (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Archive 6

Archive #6 has been created, transferring the inactive talk from 2009. See box above. Doctorindy (talk) 14:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Izod IndyCar Series

Izod has been confirmed as the official series sponsor for at least 5 years, to be officially announced Thursday. (IndyCar lands Title Sponsor, indystar.com, November 3, 2009). So there are a decent amount of pages that will need to be renamed and moved.Froo (talk) 08:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't feel that we need to rename or move any pages. For example, the page is 1999 Indy Racing League season, not 1999 Pep Boys Indy Racing League season. We just need to note the sponsorship on the IndyCar Series article (both in the lead and in the body) and update 2010 IndyCar Series season in the relevant places. -Drdisque (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I should probably look at the precedent from this project and not NASCAR or Grand-Am. May have to see how much the media types out "Izod IndyCar Series" I would still argue for a name change of the IndyCar Series article to "Izod IndyCar Series" at this point and the leave the season pages as-is. Froo (talk) 23:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Drivers/Owners/Personalites Pictures List?

Hello all, I have uploaded and inserted about 10–12 new or updated pictures pictures of drivers/owners/personalities from the IRL IndyCar Series today so far, and have about another 8–9 to go at least. Is there a list of IRL IndyCar Series-related articles that either need new or updated pictures uploaded? I take about 400–450 pictures each year from various IndyCar races, and am finally going through them and uploading them to Wikipedia. If you want a list of pictures that I have uploaded, they are listed on my userpage, here. Just wondering if there is a known list of articles so we can narrow them down a bit. Thanks! Manningmbd 21:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not aware of any needed pictures list and I highly doubt that there is one. There is a list of all American Open Wheel articles at Category:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing articles.
I commend you on bringing in some many pictures! I haven't been to an IndyCar race since they left Road America. I was able to photograph most of the cars and many of the drivers in the NASCAR Nationwide race at Milwaukee in 2009. You contributions are GREATLY welcome! Royalbroil 03:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

If you were at the 2007 Indianapolis 500 and have pictures of P. J. Jones, Jimmy Kite, Richie Hearn, or Jeff Bucknum that would be helpful. Also, if you have a picture of Jim Guthrie from when he owned a Lights team that would be helpful too. Also, I know that Janet Guthrie and Lyn St. James were at Indy this year - both of them need pictures. Townsend Bell has been at Indy the past 3 years and doesn't have a picture. Perhaps you have a picture if Franck Perera when he was with the series? Jeff Simmons was at Indy in '08. -Drdisque (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I know for a fact that I have worthy pictures of Jimmy Kite and Townsend Bell. I have a picture of Richie Hearn, but it's not of any quality whatsoever. The others I will try to find. Manningmbd 21:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
UPDATE: I have uploaded (58) pictures to Wikimedia Commons (here's a list) of all the IndyCar Series photos of drivers/team officials/personalities/misc. that I have found so far. I have hundreds of photos of cars from 2003–2009, but will go through those later. The new ones I have found include Mario Andretti, Alex Barron, Townsend Bell, Eddie Cheever, Jr., Larry Foyt, Felipe Giaffone, Phil Giebler, Bryan Herta, Stefan Johansson, Tony Kanaan, Ryan Hunter–Reay, Jimmy Kite, Raphael Matos, Danica Patrick, Brienne Pedigo, Tomas Scheckter, Oriol Servià, Lindy Thackston, Rusty Wallace, and Justin Wilson. Let me know if any of you think I should be doing something else to make sure these pictures are found on the Commons. Manningmbd 03:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
WOW - not just pictures - high quality pictures! Great Job! It looks like you're doing the right thing with categorizing them. Royalbroil 04:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a Question ?

Am I wrong but wasn't Ontario Motor Speedway originally built for "Indy Type" racing and not NASCAR ? Question comes after visiting Talk:Ontario Motor Speedway and noticing only the NASCAR tag. Also seeing no reference the the speedway here ? Mlpearc (talk) 23:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, they're numerous mentions of Indy/Champ car in the article text itself. Are you referring to the lack of WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing box on the talk page itself? It would definitely fall under this project as well, so it would be ok for you to add one. Just no one else has gotten around to doing it so far. EeepEeep (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
That was my first thought and I would gladly add one for the project if I can find one Mlpearc (talk) 00:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Use {{Template:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing}} EeepEeep (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 season data

Hello everyone, I have started adding 2010 season–related data for the 2010 IRL IndyCar Series season in driver articles. So far, I have only updated the articles for Ana Beatriz, Mike Conway, Justin Wilson (the three Dreyer & Reinbold Racing drivers), Simona de Silvestro, Mario Romancini, and Alex Tagliani so far, but I will be adding season–related data to the rest of the 2010 IRL IndyCar Series season competitors, if not double–checking other edits if they work themselves in there before I get to them. I have added links to all of the rounds in the 2010 season into the wikitables, and just so everyone knows, they are the same links that are in the 2010 IRL IndyCar Series season template (here). If someone wants to add the results tables to other articles, feel free to.

Also, I will be creating the individual articles for all of the 2010 races just so there aren't so many dead links out there on the driver pages. I will add enough relative content to each article so that they aren't just wasted space out there.

Take care, everyone, and enjoy the 2010 season! Manningmbd 14:48, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

American Open Wheel driver results

Why do we use the flags if the majority of races held in the U.S.? Cybervoron (talk) 12:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What type of article(s) are you talking about? Royalbroil 03:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I ask about driver's articles like Michael Andretti, Hélio Castroneves, etc. Cybervoron (talk) 04:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Good question. I don't add those season summaries to articles - way too time consuming for the benefit. I thought that flags should normally be avoided per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Flags. Royalbroil 05:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Ask User:Chr.K., he did for Michael Andretti at least. --Falcadore (talk) 05:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I include the flags in the driver results tables because they're already there. With the Champ Car World Series racing in the United States about only half the season from around 2002–2007, I felt that they should be left alone. A good portion of the current IndyCar Series drivers have previously competing in CART–sanctioned events. But, I do think that whatever the decision, it should include all American open&wheel related articles, not just some. Manningmbd 16:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
When I set about to update the 2002 CART driver pages with the 2002 CART race links in the past couple of weeks I noted that several pages had the flags in the result tables "zapped". Most notably Cristiano da Matta. I figured it was a new style edict from the Wiki:F1/Wiki:Motorsport editors. All the "new for 2002" driver result tables that I created don't have flags, if the tables already had flags (like Paul Tracy) I left them in place. Apmiller (talk) 22:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I haven't been messing with them either - I have better things to do with my time. They've probably been removed because of MOS:FLAG. Royalbroil 03:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Sports Notability

There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO#RFC:_WP:Athlete_Professional_Clause_Needs_Improvement debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons

The WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons (UBLPs) aims to reduce the number of unreferenced biographical articles to under 30,000 by June 1, primarily by enabling WikiProjects to easily identify UBLP articles in their project's scope. There were over 52,000 unreferenced BLPs in January 2010 and this has been reduced to 32,665 as of May 16. A bot is now running daily to compile a list of all articles that are in both Category:All unreferenced BLPs and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.

Your Project's list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing/Unreferenced BLPs. As of May 17 you have approximately 115 articles to be referenced. The list of all other WikiProject UBLPs can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/WikiProjects.

Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Pacific Raceways

In the to do list Seattle International Raceways is mentioned but the article for this is Pacific Raceways. I wonder whether this article is good enough. If so it can be taken of the to do list. Meanwhile I'll replace the article title in the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quintinohthree (talk • contribs) 18:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Pit reporters?

Increasingly, I'm coming across in race event articles tables which include such trivial details as the names of pit reporters. How did this become an item of such value that that complete lists telecaster on-air staff became something to be tabulated in race articles? These video-journalists are not employed by the events concerned. Who the networks employ to cover the race events is surely not even remotely noteworthy as far as these articles are concerned. Do we tabulate anywhere for example the names of print journalist from say the Indiana Star or Sports Illustrated, or the names of the IndyCar's press officers (surely a much more significant role)? Do we tabulate for each event the City Mayor concerned? The Grand Marshals? The Indycar CEO (and asterisk it if the CEO attends the event of course)?

Can we delete these tables please? The identity of the broadcasting network should constitute perhaps a single sentence in event articles and certainly doesn't justify tabular presentation. --Falcadore (talk) 07:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I could see a quick mention in a sentence listing the network and their associated announcers and reporters. Would you please provide an example link? Royalbroil 01:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Indy Japan 300, Meijer Indy 300, Peak Antifreeze & Motor Oil Indy 300, Peak Antifreeze & Motor Oil Indy Grand Prix, Honda 200, Camping World Watkins Glen Grand Prix, Firestone 550, RoadRunner Turbo Indy 300, Grand Prix of Long Beach, Indy Grand Prix of Alabama, Honda Grand Prix of St. Petersburg, São Paulo Indy 300. --Falcadore (talk) 01:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not the one who started these, but television broadcasters for sporting events has become a popular topic on Wikipedia. Every single NFL game summary includes television broadcasters/sideline reporters. I feel that the television network that broadcast the race (as well as the on-air talent) is noteworthy. By no means is this "miscellaneous information." That's a very poor mis-nomer, and those tags should be removed. Doctorindy (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
But why is it noteworthy? These journalists are not employed by the event. The do not shape or participate in the event. They do not run the event. All they do is present what happens in the event to an audience, much like newsprint and magazine journalists, and internet writers, blog writers. What wikipedia NFL edittors deem as notable is no relevance. When did pit lane reporters become more important than the competitors? More TV presenters are listed in some of these articles than drivers which is essentially wrong. It very definately is trivia, and the tags should be removed with the entire section.
Additionally, aren't these TV reporters in most cases performing this role at every event in the series? If the data is the same across several articles and does not additionally influence individual articles in any way, then surely this sort of information is better placed in the individual season articles rather than race-by-race? We don't compile lists of every racing driver who has ever raced in these races do we?
What these tables do is elevate the importance of the reporters above everyone else involved apart from race winners. This is a basic falsehood. --Falcadore (talk) 21:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
For assistance in understanding the problems I have with these refer Wikipedia:Listcruft (as it is a list of fannish style material not immediately relevant to the topic - have a read of the meaning section, while this applies directly to List articles I believe it to be applicable here), Wikipedia:Fancruft (personalities of the reporters does not influence the event as it happens), WP:INDISCRIMINATE (it is of dubious notability, how many third-party news articles exist covering the televisual presenters who cover an event?) and it explores into areas of Wikipedia:Wikipuffery perhaps? --Falcadore (talk) 23:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I see your point Falcadore but I don't agree with you that it's cruft (ouch that word makes me cringe because it's so insulting) or even indiscriminate. I think it's fine - one line per race is very short and it's not uncommon for a newspaper or magazine article to briefly mention who broadcast the event. Royalbroil 02:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
To the point of naming each and every member of on-air staff? Or just to say the race will be on ESPN, or ABC or wherever? If so, then why not just say in sentence for, the race has been broadcast on domestic markets since 2008 on ESPN, thus achieving the same aim without the large table?
Or is it you contention that Lindy Thackston is more worthy of mention in the history of the Meijer Indy 300 than Dario Franchitti? --Falcadore (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I think this category was added to IndyCar race pages in response to entire and individual pages devoted specifically to broadcasting history for each NASCAR race. (List of Coke Zero 400 broadcasters, List of Food City 500 broadcasters, etc.; kinda extreme.) I don't think it is implying that the TV crew are more important than any non-winner of the race, it merely shows who called the race and what network aired it. It falls short of listing the producer, camerapeople, and obscure people involved. These lists also show what a big pescence IndyCar racing has had on newtork TV (ABC, CBS, NBC) over the years. Perhaps it would be more fitting to have this info listed at the bottom of a race page (1999 Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach), but there are no individual race pages (outside of Indianapolis 500s) prior to 2002. Until those are created, the year-to-year table appears to be the most sensible way to provide this info. 97.125.109.32 (talk) 07:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Why do we need to provide this information? How is it important? Can we at the very least establish that it actually is important information first?
Seriously, what is the need for this information in the first place? And surely this is series information rather than individual race information? --Falcadore (talk) 12:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry; did someone perish and leave you in sole command? Wikipedia is a place for EVERYONE to contribute constructively, not for a select few to "OK" everything. I understand you taking pride in Wikiprojects that you have put much effort into, but no one else seems to object to the TV history for IndyCar races, and you have not suggested an alternative nor a compromise. Wikipedia isn't a dictatorship. See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. 97.125.105.136 (talk) 07:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh, so you're the one in charge then, judging by the level of righteousness. Is it still alright to ask questions or do I have to be shouted down?
For you I'll repeat the compromise I suggested above which you say I did not suggest. Question, if a collection of information is the same for a group of articles, ie, the different races of the series, and a season summary page exists, isn't it more appropriate to place that information once on the season summary page rather than many times on individual race pages? --Falcadore (talk) 21:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
For a moment, consider that the individuals in question (people such as Bob Jenkins, Jack Arute, Jamie Little, Marty Reid, etc.) all are considered persons "noteworthy" enough to have their own article in Wikipedia. Since they are noteworthy persons because they cover racing events on television, it does not seem unreasonable to show which races they carried, since that is why they are noteworthy to begin with. In addition, I disagree (to a point) that the broadcasters do not "shape or participate in the event." The personalities, particularly the pit reporters, talk directly with the teams. Also, since the Indy 500 has been on TV, the historic recollections of the races have been 'shaped' a bit by who's calling the race. Jim McKay and Paul Page, for instance, are renowned for their work and famous calls at Indianapolis, just like Al Michaels is a part of the Miracle on Ice, even though he never put on ice skates. All that said, since the work seems to have already been done to a significant completion (by someone?), it does not seem particularly necessary to remove it now. If the race articles were recklessly long and the TV information was not nearly as complete, it would make more sense to delete it. At this point, I think it's fair to leave it, but would not miss it if it was gone. Doctorindy (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Doctorindy sums up my feelings fairly accurately -Drdisque (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Just some help

I would like to help with this project but have no idea where to begin. I assume that the main page at the top of the umbrella so-to-say is here. My main issue with the page is there is no easy to find direct access to each of the sanctioning body's homepage (AAA, USAC, CART, IRL) and yearly reports for them. I know there is a main page for USAC, CART/Champ car, IRL but I cannot find one for the racing side of AAA, only two or three lines about it in the main AAA article. A box for the years has been made you can see it here. Finally There doesn't seem to be an easy way to access all of the years of top level American open wheel racing. The AAA box has a link to the 1905 season and we are currently in the 2010 season, there needs to be an easy way to access all of the years and all of the sanctioning bodies including the nascar (yes i know its awful but they did do it for a few years) speedway series which also seemed to disappear from the ACCR page. Just some thoughts that I'm not sure how to implement the right way because I just joined today but have been reading these articles for years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehall317 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. These are all major tasks. I'd say try to implement your ideas one at a time. You can get feedback on your thoughts here. AAA needs major work and it's hard to find the time and it's fairly difficult to find reliable sources for something that old. Thanks for caring enough to post the feedback. Most Wikipedians have enough to do - and also know that they don't own articles - so whoever suggests a great idea like this usually means that either they do it or else realize that it likely won't get done anytime soon. I think you're referring to the NASCAR Speedway Division. Royalbroil 04:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


What is the very top page of this project? I am assuming it is American championship car racingEhall317 (talk) 01:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


The wikiproject is called American Open Wheel Racing, Does anyone object to changing the name of the "umbrella" page from "American Championship Car Racing" to "History of American Open Wheel Racing"?Ehall317 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm working with the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and we would love to start helping with this project. I'm definitely a newbie but have been consulting a "wikipedia expert" for direction. I'm hoping those involved with this project will help me out as I start to make edits. Please feel free to send any tips my way. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassie Conklin (talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

1909 AAA Championship

Is completed on online. I will add a section for how the points were awarded later. How does this look (formatting, grammar, spelling, ect)? how do I add this page to the project? Ehall317 (talk) 23:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

It looks great considering it is one of your first articles! The only major thing to do would be adding the references inline (see Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations. The easiest way to do that is to click just above the editing window on the arrow after "Template" and pick the source. Grammar, formatting, etc. look good. You add it to the WikiProject by following text to the talk page: {{WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing}} . Royalbroil 04:52, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

ChampCar NavBox

I have created a new navbox for the indycar/cart/ccws check it out here and let me know if its ok to roll out. I am just trying to standardize all the nav boxes as a side project to my AAA monster. Ehall317 (talk) 01:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

First, I would abbreviate the drivers to just their last names (except Ma & Mi Andretti, etc). Second I would not list the number of titles by the driver, just the names to keep it brief. This is just a quick navigation box designed for people with knowledge. Royalbroil 14:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree with shortening the names, I will do than sometime today... The only reason I put titles won was to bring some consistency in the sanctioning body nav boxes. Used the two from USAC as a frame. should I edit all three, shortening names, taking away championship counts, opinion??Ehall317 (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
If you are going to keep the (# times) notation, Bobby Rahal is a three time champ, and Rutherford only won one CART championship (maybe a cut'n'paste error there). Also in the tracks section, perhaps the two Houston tracks should be listed as "Houston (Downtown) • Houston (Reliant Park)", and Tamiami Park maybe should be Miami (Tamiami Park) to match the other Miami street race courses as well. In the future if the Houston stadium loses its corporate name, the name Reliant Park may be less easily identifiable with Houston. Apmiller (talk) 16:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Noted and updated thank you! How do you guys feel about moving all the canadian races to the international section? After that I think it will be time to release it.Ehall317 (talk) 22:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

CART

FYI, CART has been redirected to CART (disambiguation) (instead of Champ Car) and there is a proposal at Talk:CART (disambiguation) to move CART (disambiguation) to CART. DH85868993 (talk) 03:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


Wiki's Miami Mess

After browsing the Indy-related articles for the Miami events (it's the weekend of Homestead), I've noticed a lot of work has been done on the races, but I think it's grown so out of control, it's information in a million places, and none of it seems organized. Currently, we have race information, race results, and track info spread out amongst the following articles:

Not to mention...

It's a mess IMHO, and it should be simplified. I couldn't find everything I was looking for, and I had set up one of those pages 4 years ago. In previous instances, temporary street courses have not had their own pages, the "track info" has simply been merged as a section in the race page (see St. Pete for a good example).

I took the initiative to clean up the Las Vegas Indycar races pages, because those were in the same shape. If and when IndyCar announces the Las Vegas race for 2011, a little bit of work will be needed for those as well. Doctorindy (talk) 20:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Im thinking of updating the Indycar/CART/CCWS nav box here. there are links to miami races in the box. I copied and pasted the existing track nav box info. are these the correct links to the races?Ehall317 (talk) 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
I propose merging all info on street races into a single article (see the Spanish-language article), then link each of the three articles on parks to it. Articles on Homestead should remain apart. --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
I read the Spanish language article as I read Spanish at a basic level. There is a lot less content in that article then we have here and I'm concerned if one article wouldn't be too long. I guess it depends how much work is put into it. If there is a main article, then each of the articles should use the "Main" template {{main}} to link to the new article. I do see room for improvement if it's well organized. So I'm sitting on the fence depending on the size. What should the title be? The Spanish Wikipedia uses the "Grand Prix of Miami". Royalbroil 02:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Long Beach Formula One and Indycar articles site separately quite happily. Comes down to how well its written. Perhaps just changing a few article titles might have great effect. --Falcadore (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Indy Racing League name change to IndyCar

The official name change is happening on January 1st, 2011 (Oreovicz, John (September 10, 2010). IndyCar Series drops IRL brand ESPN. Retrieved 2010-09-10.)

Constant addition of unverified rumors at 2011 IndyCar Series season

Can we do anything about the constant stream of IP editors (and some registered editors) adding speculation and rumors to the article, primarily the "Team and driver chart"? It's very time consuming to be constantly removing this stuff, especially considering that being truly diligent requires checking all the news sites to see if the information is actually verifiable. Kuguar03 (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I've just been using the revert button. Also, warning the editors sometimes works. -Drdisque (talk) 01:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
You could get the page semi-protected (see WP:RFPP) - that might cut down on the "drive-by" IP edits. DH85868993 (talk) 01:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Could try including some <- -> hidden notes stating, do not include Nigel Mansell without a reference to an announcement by the Newman/Haas team, or the equivalent for variance of driver and team. --Falcadore (talk) 03:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I'll see about getting it semi-protected. 2011 Formula One season already is, for the same reason presumably. Kuguar03 (talk) 05:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm an admin and I can semi-protect. I looked anon edits over. It looks marginal to me so I'll left it for now. Let me know if it gets worse. Some of the anon edits look good (which were kept) so I left it for now. Usually there needs to be a significant number of problems to the point where it gets hard for the established editors to work because they have to spend too much time reverting, or if misinformation keeps getting inserted to the point where readers would often be given poor information (including information not from reliable sources. I don't check my watchlist daily lately, but I come on Wikipedia during most days, so you can always leave me a message on my talk page. Royalbroil 14:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

"Team and driver news"

I've noticed lately that the Indycar season overview pages contain subsections called "team and driver news" where driver movements are outlined. I have changed the 2011 and 2012 pages to "team and driver movements" because Wikipedia is not a news site. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 03:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

IndyCar knocks our doors

Folks, IndyCar is about to officially knock our doors. More precisely, "By adding in our indycar.com links and YouTube videos we’re hoping to improve the Wikipedia experience for every one." So, let's get to work! --NaBUru38 (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Isn't there a potential conflict of interest with Indycar adding its own links to Wikipedia? And wouldn't the Youtube links be potential copyright breaches? DH85868993 (talk) 02:22, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, there are potential COI issues. I have already warned the editor involved to keep these in mind and will be keeping an eye on that editor. However, there are no copyright breaches with the youtube links since I'm sure they are all authorized uploads to youtube by IndyCar/IMS Productions. Not everything posted to youtube is automatically a copyright violation. -Drdisque (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
This is awesome news! I hope they ask for our help and guidance to do it carefully to avoid COI. We'd love to work with them to understand the ropes here. Drdisque is right, links to official youtube videos are fine. WP:ELNEVER talks directly about making sure that youtube links are to an official source. I hope they follow through and update those irritating F1-centric views of some of the Indy 500 drivers. I've added a bunch of information on some driver's sprint and midget car careers to round out some a little bit but there's lots of work to do. External links to driver's statistics on the sanctioning body's official website is fine but even better is to use it as a reliable source since it's a "recognized authority". Royalbroil 05:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Just adding links to the Greatest 33 driver without any contextual explanation is not the way to go about it mind you. Either eplanation should be provided or the links removed. --Falcadore (talk) 01:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Just a note to say that your Indy Motor Speedway contact, User:Cassie Conklin, has touched base, she just didn't start a new heading so it wasn't as easy to find. Look above under "Just some help." Thanks! LoriLee (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi I'm Cassie Conklin - the IMS employee working on this project. I can't thank you all enough for your enthusiasm, we had no idea our decision to have a part in Wikipedia would create this much feedback, and positive feedback at that. I would love any help or suggestions from any one. I know a few of you have already left me suggestions on my talk page and thank you for that! I'm still trying to get the hang of everything. Just for the record, the last thing myself and IMS want to do is interfere with the COI rules or to cause any problems. Here is a blog post I wrote last week that explains our take on Wikipedia http://blog.indycar.com/2011/07/11/acclerating-into-the-world-of-wikipedia/ . Again, thank you for all of your comments and insight. (Cassie Conklin (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC))

We have some articles called "Where Are They Now" for certain drivers that have driven at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Most are IndyCar drivers some were NASCAR. The articles are based around the driver's performance at Indy and an interview conducted by our writers to catch up on their life now. Thoughts on adding theses links? Thanks. Cassie Conklin (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be best to add an sentence or two to the article and use the interviews as references. IMO, based on WP:ELPOINTS #3 and #4, the only links to IndyCar.com we should have in the external links section should be the driver profile, and even then, an independent source like Champ Car Stats might be preferable. —Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 21:11, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

We are going to try and contribute some pictures from our archives. What are some events/drivers/teams we should start with? We are trying to stick to Indianapolis Motor Speedway related events. Cassie Conklin (talk) 19:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Before you upload them, let's please discuss the license. What license were you planning to use? Also, please upload to Wikimedia Commons so that the Wikipedias in other language can use. The German Wikipedia, for example, is quite large and thorough. There's a category for IMS here at Commons. You are asked to subcategorize by the race year - such at this for 2006. I'm an administrator here on the English Wikipedia and also on Commons. I want this to go smoothly for you since uploading images is often a difficult topic without guidance from someone with experience. Are these images posted online? If so, there's a process to demonstrate that permission is granted.
Any drivers would be great, especially prior to 2000. Shots of the starting grid or front row would be excellent for race articles like the 2004 Indianapolis 500. I help at WikiProject NASCAR and we'd be interested in the Brickyard events too. I'm certain that WikiProject Formula One would also be interested. Royalbroil 05:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

More knocking

A little follow up...I noticed the project was mentioned on Trackside with Curt and Kevin (2/23/12 episode), albeit not quite in the most positive and complementary ways. Although I think it was a bit of undue criticism, I do agree that the project needs more help and needs more contributors to step up and make better efforts. The participation has dropped off in the past year or so. Doctorindy (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey Dr... It's me again. That was actually me on the radio. I do want to apologize for how I portrayed the community here. We were under heavy time constraints and I was nervous as all get out. I admit to being a bit lazy recently on here myself but am making a comeback! However, this is a subject I feel stongly about and have tried to rally the troops myself. Apologies to you and the whole community if I came off rough. P.S. I am still working on that indycar lorealbeit slower than expected its still coming along.Ehall317 (talk) 21:50, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

AFD for 2007 Star Mazda Championship season

Currently there is an articles for deletion discussion for 2007 Star Mazda Championship season at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 Star Mazda Championship season. Please contribute to the articles and the discussion. -Drdisque (talk) 01:56, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Question about the 1984 CART race at the Meadowlands

See Talk:United States Grand Prix#1984 CART race at the Meadowlands. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Atlantic Championship CfDs

There's not much time left, but there is a CfD open for Category:Atlantic Championship drivers and Category:Atlantic Championship seasons here. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 03:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

New article / proposed deletion

In the chart at the top of this page, there was a request above for a new article for former driver Harry Sauce. He entered the Indy 500 twice, but failed to qualify both times. It was quickly proposed for deletion, with some question if it met nobility guidelines. I suggest making the case to keep the article, since he is not the only driver to enter Indy multiple times and fail to qualify, and still have an article. Doctorindy (talk) 14:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I suggest KEEP under the following premises: 1) He drove in ARS, now known as Indy Lights. Indy Lights drivers appear to meet meet nobility guidelines, even though it's a second-tier professional series. 2) He entered Indy multiple times 3) There are other former ARS/Indycar drivers who have failed to qualify at Indy and still have an article...Kenji Momota, Steve Barclay (racing driver), and others. Doctorindy (talk) 14:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the PROD as he meets WP:NSPORT due to his ARS experience. I'm sure if you dug hard enough, he has other professional starts as well. -Drdisque (talk) 14:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
He failed to qualify for Indy once and was denied entry once. Not the same as two DNQs. The denied entry could well have been because of his level of notability, so to speak. I found some other starts in SuperVee (not notable). I can only find one ARS start and that was back in 1989 (at 43 years of age - not a young rookie!), well before it became a fully-professional series. Since then only SCCA stuff like Formula Ford.
I find nothing in that history worth keeping. He looks like a guy who start racing in his late 30s for fun and had enough budget to buy his way into some positions. To my mind, fails notability. --Falcadore (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
ARS (Indy Lights) was always a professional series in my mind. Super Vee, depending what series it was, was a pretty big deal in the late 70's and early 80's as well. Most IndyCar drivers back then who didn't come from sprint cars and before Atlantics became popular, came from Super Vees. -Drdisque (talk) 16:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
If he fails notability then so does Chanoch Nissany. Readro (talk) 16:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
A reliable source Speed.com, written by a noted racing sportswriter (Marshall Pruett) considers Harry Sauce an "Indycar driver." Albeit one of the worst in history, he still meets their level of recognition. Doctorindy (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Year confirmation required

Can anyone confirm that File:IndyCar B.Unser 1976 EMS.jpg is Unser's car from 1979 (as stated in the image description), not 1976 (as suggested by the filename)? If so, I'll get the file renamed to avoid any possible confusion. (I'm 95% sure it's his 1979 car, but I would like to be 100% sure before getting the file renamed). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Champ Car Stats says Bobby drove the #12 Norton Penske PC-7 in 1979, and a #3 Cobre Tire Eagle in 1976. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 02:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I have requested that the image be renamed. DH85868993 (talk) 04:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Indy 500 Car images

I've taken some time to upload a bunch of images of Indy 500 winning cars to Wiki Commons. Most of the photos were taken at the IMS Museum during their 100th Anniversary display, so there will be over 60+ images to use now. In addition, I created/organized a category on Wiki Commons of Indianpolis 500 winners images...both Indy winning cars and face shots of Indy-winning drivers. This little side project is not yet complete, and I still have many images still to upload. Should be wrapped up in a couple days.

I also uploaded a bunch of close-up photos of the Borg-Warner Trophy at Wiki commons, and they can be found. Here. They are pretty good resolution, and taken from nearly every angle as it was rotating, so nearly every driver's face should be easy to locate. In the case that anyone wants to crop out an image of a driver's likeness and use it, it should not be hard to do. Doctorindy (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

If you crop it down to a single driver's face, then you have a copyright violation. Commons is especially contentious about watching for it. I would argue to delete it as a Commons admin. For the English Wikipedia topic, see WP:NFC#UULP point #3. Royalbroil 01:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Al Miller II

I have asked a question at Talk:Al Miller II#Name with which I hope members of the project may be able to assist. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 11:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

The Dario flagicon debate

The debate about Dario Franchitti's flagicon is coming up again on Talk:2012 Indianapolis 500. Input is requested. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 13:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Yet another case of "it's not WP:OR if the WP:MOS says so!!" - sigh! - The Bushranger One ping only 00:01, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

New category

Seeking assistance populating this category:

The criteria is "loose." Basically any driver who drove an "Indy car" at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway from 1911-2012, but did not qualify for the race ever. Includes drivers that went through ROP, or drivers that failed ROP. Drivers that practiced on the track, but for whatever reason did not make a qualifying attempt (injured/killed in a crash, quit/fired, mechanical problems), drivers that did attempt to qualify, but never did (bumped, too slow, waved off, wrecked). Again, the criteria is loose, as I've come up with many different, unique scenarios. I've already identified 80 drivers with existing Wiki articles that fit the category, so it's not just a fly-by-night idea. There has to be over 100-150 drivers in history that fit the description, but many are obscure enough to not have a Wiki article (wouldn't worry about those). Doctorindy (talk) 18:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

    • Update - Up to over 110 drivers now; still working. The book The Illustrated History of the Indianapolis 500 has extensive stats that help contribute to the list. It is worth nothing that there are upwards of 50 or more additional non-qualifying drivers that are not notable enough to have a wiki article. Doctorindy (talk) 13:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
      • Hmm, I kinda like this idea - I was a little cool to it at first but it makes sense. Even attempting to qualify for the Greatest Spectacle In Racing is defining, but non-qualifiers should be kept seperate from those who made the field of 33 (or, on occasion, 35). 👍 Like - The Bushranger One ping only 17:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
        • I swept through the entire stat chapter of "Illustrated", and came up with 115 names (not too shabby, and enough that it shouldn't be overlooked). There must be at least 75 more that don't have wiki articles. Note that there are many from the earlier years that were F1/European drivers who were notable already, but fell short at IMS. Then you've got NASCAR guys like Neil Bonnett, Junior Johnson, Charlie Glotzbach, Ken Schrader, Marshall Teague, and others. It's an interesting list. Doctorindy (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Portal:IndyCar

I have created a portal for the project, at Portal:IndyCar. It is still very much a work in progress, but feel free to poke your noses around and make any adjustments you feel need making. It is based on Portal:Formula One, and mirrors the styling of that page pretty closely. Content-wise it is a bit sparse at the moment, but hopefully that can be padded out with some more attention. Harrias talk 10:32, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Great work! I'll do some changes, I hope you like them. Good bye!
Cool! I'm preparing es:Portal:Automovilismo, which is a major project since there's 120 drivers, 52 races, 52 circuits, 52 teams and 26 championships. Bye!

IndyCar World Championships

If it is eventually confirmed that the 500-miler at Fontana is taking the IndyCar World Championships moniker, I think we need to sort out the pages somewhat.

  • IndyCar World Championships should be an article dedicated to the "last race of the season".
  • The Las Vegas race and the Fontana race should stay on their old article titles (Las Vegas Indy 300(?) and Toyota Indy 400/500) and work solely on the individual races.

Heck, we might want to revert the Vegas race page name now to avoid potential conflict in the future. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 20:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. I'd use as its name "Champ Car 400 at Las Vegas". --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
The Fontana race is now MAVTV 500...the "World Championships" moniker was tossed apparently when they found a title sponsor. I think the 2011 LVMS race should keep the title IZOD IndyCar World Championships for now, since it is the only race to-date to have that name. Also...why did someone put "Outdated" on that article? Doctorindy (talk) 20:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Female Indianapolis 500 drivers

Category:Female Indianapolis 500 drivers has been nominated for merging into Category:Female racing drivers and Category:Indianapolis 500 drivers. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at the merger discussion. DH85868993 (talk) 02:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Should sponsor names be attached to the category names for ChampCar races?

Should sponsor names be attached to the category names for ChampCar races? See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy for the "Grand Prix of St. Petersburg" -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 08:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I think only if the race had only one sponsor for its entire existence. Also, can you make a proper link to the discussion you're talking about? -Drdisque (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
It was at WP:CFDS, but I've withdrawn it per comments received. Thanks for the help. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Standardizing IndyCar pages

Should we drop the sponsorship column for IndyCar, since we agreed to do it for NASCAR starting in 2013, and no other motorsport pages (that I can think of) have their sponsors listed.Gaeaman787 (talk) 00:23, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It would simplify the table and make for less work. Since some teams have a rotation of sponsors throughout the year, it would also reduce clutter. Doctorindy (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Sponsorship of teams should be mentioned most properly on team pages rather than series pages as it is a team specific subject rather than a series subject. Plus some of those sponsor lists have been getting outlandishly large, reducing readability of tables. --Falcadore (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I support that the sponsor column should be deleted. --NaBUru38 (talk) 03:06, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree too. They don't add any useful information and border on WP:CRUFT. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 02:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
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