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WikiProject Young Earth Creationism is on the verge of going live, if you are interested in joining please follow the link above. We will be cooperating extensively with this WikiProject..--Novus Orator 06:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- This purported 'Wikiproject' has not been proposed (let alone accepted) via the proper forum, WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals -- it therefore has no legitimate existence. It has only a single member/creator (who 'retired' one account (User:Gniniv) and created another part way through creating this purported 'Wikiproject'). It has therefore been userfied, per consultation with another experienced editor (Hans Adler) on its talkpage. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- The Wikiproject has been proposed here, and it is in the process of getting members...--Novus Orator 06:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- Only after it was userfied. And I would note that you have failed to create a normal proposal (example: WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cambridgeshire) for it. I would also suggest editors read this comment and view Terra Novus/Gniniv's past activities before joining. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- I just took a look at their contributions and what I saw supported my initial hunch: there is a pattern of supporting pseudosciences of all stripes. For example, there's Interpretive science, which is some sort of postmodern joke. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- You are free to hold that opinion. Wikipedia welcomes editors of all backgrounds. Feel free to consider joining this project once it gets going so we have a critical perspective..--Novus Orator 07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- The normal proposal has been created here. Please move all discussion there..--Novus Orator 07:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- You are free to hold that opinion. Wikipedia welcomes editors of all backgrounds. Feel free to consider joining this project once it gets going so we have a critical perspective..--Novus Orator 07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- I just took a look at their contributions and what I saw supported my initial hunch: there is a pattern of supporting pseudosciences of all stripes. For example, there's Interpretive science, which is some sort of postmodern joke. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
- Only after it was userfied. And I would note that you have failed to create a normal proposal (example: WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cambridgeshire) for it. I would also suggest editors read this comment and view Terra Novus/Gniniv's past activities before joining. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Formal proposal to expand this Wikiproject to the wider topic of creationism
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result of this discussion was to expand the project to cover to the wider topic of creationism HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- This idea has been raised twice in the past, with no dissent, but with very little comment:
- The idea has been raised again in WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/WikiProject Young Earth Creationism#Discussion.
I am therefore raising it a third time, so "speak now or forever hold your peace" -- WP:SILENCE will apply.
My rationales for this are:
- Taking WP:MERGE as vaguely-relevant, rationales #2 'Overlap' -- ID is explicitly a 'big tent' creationist movement, and has many YECs & OECs in its fold; #4 'Context' -- ID can best be described as one of the more recent evolutions of Creationism, not as a movement that sprang forth without any precursors.
- The fact that the IDM movement generally doesn't even explicitly mention ID any more -- using code-phrases like 'strengths and weaknesses' and 'academic freedom' instead.
- The fact that most ID articles are fairly stable, and in a number of cases becoming somewhat stale, due to lack of ongoing coverage -- resulting in their being merged into more general articles.
- The fact that many editors active on ID are already active on Creationism generally.
HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Supporting
- HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- --Taiwan boi (talk) 13:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
- --Novus Orator 07:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- --Charles (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
- Totnesmartin (talk) 10:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Cerebellum (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Opposing
Discussion
- As the proposed expansion seems likely to pass, I've taken the liberty of creating a proposed revised template to reflect this expansion at {{WikiProject Intelligent design/sandbox}}, which has ID & YEC as task forces within the project. Most of the links from it are of course red-linked, until a post-expansion rename, but if anybody wants to check the syntax (and/or debate any underlying assumptions), I'd be happy for the input. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've implemented the expansion. If anybody notices any cockups, please let me know. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Image discussion
An Image discussion is ongoing at Template talk:Intelligent Design#Image in template regarding the watch image used. If changed, IMO the change should also be rolled out to the following:
- {{WikiProject intelligent design}}
- {{WikiProject Intelligent design}}
- {{User WikiProject Intelligent design}}
KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 01:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles page
Wikipedia:WikiProject Creationism/Articles hasn't been updated in three years. And to be honest, I don't really think keeping it up to date is worth the trouble -- that's what categories are for. I'm therefore WP:BOLDly tagging it as 'historical' & removing tasks related to it from the project page. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I've found out that you can insert an automatic 'category tree' of articles into a page, so I've replaced the manual list with it. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)