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Freemason Template

Masonic History
Lodge Affiliation
Blue Lodge History

+ Sample, Code, etc for the Template

{{Template:Freemason
|Lodge1 = 
|Lodge2 = 
|Lodge3 = 
|Initiated = 
|Passed = 
|Raised = 
|Source1 = 
|Source2 = 
}}

Citation & List pages

1. A page/list of Freemasons
2. A page created for verification of said Freemasons on wikipedia
3. A Catagory, w/many subcats, for Freemasons
   1. Category:Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   2. Category:Freemasons by nation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   3. Category:American Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   4. Category:Australian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   5. Category:Austrian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   6. Category:Belgian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   7. Category:British Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   8. Category:Bulgarian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   9. Category:Canadian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   10. Category:Chilean Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   11. Category:Chinese Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   12. Category:Colombian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   13. Category:Cuban Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   14. Category:Czech Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   15. Category:Dutch freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   16. Category:English Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   17. Category:Finnish freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   18. Category:French Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   19. Category:Gabonese Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   20. Category:German Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   21. Category:Greek Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   22. Category:Guyanese Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   23. Category:Hong Kong Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   24. Category:Icelandic Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   25. Category:Indian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   26. Category:Indian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   27. Category:Irish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   28. Category:Italian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   29. Category:Japanese Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   30. Category:Mexican Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   31. Category:Northern Irish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   32. Category:Norwegian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   33. Category:Philippine freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   34. Category:Polish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   35. Category:Portuguese Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   36. Category:Scottish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   37. Category:Slovenian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   38. Category:South African Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   39. Category:Spanish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   40. Category:Swedish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   41. Category:Swiss Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   42. Category:Turkish Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   43. Category:Ukrainian Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   44. Category:Welsh Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   45. Category:Shriners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   46. Category:Canadian Shriners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   47. Category:Masonic Knights Templar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
   48. Category:Scottish Rite Freemasons (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
4. List of Grand Masters of the Grand Lodge of Scotland
5. Other Masonic members:
   1. Rite of Memphis members & GM's

Template discussion

Solve:

If no data, sometimes enter "unknown" or somesuch Grye 04:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• There's details, like adding space for other Lodge affiliations, PM dates, KT. SR, Shriners, degrees & affiliations, etc, but I'm learning by destruction here... Grye 04:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

original statement

• I've worked, I think alot, on this subject in the past. I've recently noticed that a LOT of people listed don't have verification (nothing new), & a lot of the people listed w/ & w/o verification, aren't cat'd on their page. It's nearly a moot point, since most anyone could put anything down, & unless someone cares enough, and then actually checks w/ the Lodge, it's by an honor-system, which... is what it is.

But. the (hopefully not just my) issue is, the multitude of pages listing Freemasons, shown above, & the problems which arise.

The verification page needs to be more integral to the listing [article &/or catagory(ies)] page(s). I am willing to do a lot of this work, but need concensus on the structure. The current system (listing at Freemasons article, w/ a trusted to be citation in the citation article) has proven itself ineffectual for quite some time now.

Should Verification Citations be at:

The discussion pages of the catagories the article sends to?

i.e. for Buzz Aldrin, "Category talk-American Freemasons"?

The main discussion page for Category-Freemasons by nation (would become huge)

A primary problem is that the catagory should not be placeable w/o citation, & chasing down citations will get very tedious very fast w/o a central, &/or logical, location (& will so, even then!).

It's actually an interesting note on a possible problem of Wikipedia: a Catagory inclusion is actual encyclopedic content, but without a system for citation! Humph...

Maybe also, a (an automated) notation added that a person who has had a Freemason catagory added to their page is in fact cited/cerified?

Or, ideally, if possible (?), the addition of a "...Freemason" catagory goes to another page, until approved as verified, & that verification listed somwhat as it is on the now existing page but now on the Freemason-country discussion page , then the person is listed on the catagory article page? That would actually be pretty good, but couldn't be up to one person...

I don't know, that's why I'm asking, but something should really be sorted out, because the current system isn't working, & as the articles & their catagories become more compex, so does the problem.

Grye 07:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Move Cites to article's talk page?

What about simply adding a citation to the Person's (Article's) talk page? It would not allow for inclusion of Freemasons without an article, & would probably cause the removal of the Talk:List of Freemasons/citation & Talk:List of Freemasons pages, as they'd be redundant, & after removal of people with this info in their article, the list would become a stub.

Also, the "American Freemason" (etc) tag at the bottom can be quickly authenticated by going to the talk page of the same article (not the other 2 vague pages listed above), as it can from the page, follow the links to the person's article > the talk page, & thus the citation.

further, citation would not be needed here: Category talk:American Freemasons

I don't know if the talk page is an appropriate place, Vs. the main article page. Any thoughts?

Grye 00:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)