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WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Pakistani politics will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Pakistani politics. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

RFC on Nautrality at Narendra Modi

Asking about whether the article on the prominent and controversial Indian Hindu nationalist politican Narendra is currently neutral.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Pakistani Politics at Wikimania 2014

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ITN nomination for 2014 Pakistan anti-government protest

Hi, I nominated the article on 2014 Pakistan anti-government protest for ongoing category of ITN on the main page. There is an ongoing discussion here feel free to share your opinion and vote. thanks Legaleagle86 (talk) 14:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!

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Proposed change to election/referendum naming format

I've started an RfC on changing the election/referendum naming format to move the year to the front (so e.g. French presidential election, 2017 becomes 2017 French presidential election). All comments welcome here. Cheers, Number 57 20:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

This RfC has been reopened for further comment, including on using a bot to move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation)#Proposed change to election/referendum naming format. Cheers, Number 57 15:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Constituency results of Provincial and National Constituencies of Pakistan

I am planning to update each constituency's Election result since 1970 Elections to most recent Elections. PP-1 Attock-I is an example of Election result update. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Naming conventions of constituencies

I am active on Wikipedia since 2013. I have seen many issues regarding Pakistan, but one issue rises again and again. This issue is the Naming conventions of constituencies on Wikipedia. According to ECP website, "According to the Delimitation of Constituencies Act, 1974, the constituencies for elections to the National and Provincial Assemblies are to be delimited after every census." Now after every census and election commission creates new constituencies, but these are different in official names and in areas. Here is an example of PP-270. This constituency is consisted of the following names and areas.

Official names and areas of the constituency
2013 2018 2022
PP-270 Bahawalpur-IV PP-270 Muzaffargarh-III PP-270 Muzaffargarh-III
(a) The following areas of

Bahawalpur City Tehsil: (i) Samastta Town Committee; (ii)Bahawalpur-II QH and (iii) Samasatta QH and (b) The following QHs of Bahawalpur Saddar Tehsil:- (i) Khanqah Shahrif; (ii) Kalanch WAla; (iii) Noorpur Nauranga and (iv) Qasimpur excluding PC Derawar Wah of Bahawalpur District

(a) Muncipal Committee Muzaffargarh;

(b) Muzaffargarh-II Qanungo Halqa excluding Lalpur Patwar Circle: (c) Basira Qanungo Halqa excluding the following Patwar Circles. (i) Ali Wala; (ii) Chak Alidha; (iii) Mehboob Wala; (v) Qalandar Wala; and (vi) Wan Patafi; (d) Rakh Khanpur Patwar Circle of Muzaffargarh-1 Qanungo Halqa of Muzaffargarh District.

(a) Municipal Committee Kot Addu;

(b) Kot Addu-II Qanungo Halqa excluding Shadi Khan Munda Patwar Circle; (c) Sanawan Qanungo Halqa excluding following Patwar Circles; (i) Khar Gharbi; (ii) Bait Nagra; of Muzaffargarh District (Kot Addu District is now seprate district.)

On every constituency page, we always add the election results and candidate's name. We have created every constituency page after every delimitation. Now problem is that after every quarter and half year, any Pakistani user change or redirects old pages without consulting the page creator or others. I have spent many days to type data from notifications of election commission. But some day ago, I see a user redirect all my pages and other hundreds of pages to another constituency without consulting anyone. In the past other users also did the same practice. Now I want this problem should be solved and finalized as a permanent policy.

Here is some discussion and suggestions about this problem. Please also suggest some practical solutions which may last forever.

Discussion move from User talk:Saad Ali Khan Pakistan

Constituency pages I have created many page about onstituencies in Muzaffargarh. These all pages are about seprate newly created constituencies for election 2018 on the basis on 2017 census. I have already discus this other editor. So, please don't redirect them or consult before doing such actioon. According to ECP website, according to the Delimitation of Constituencies Act, 1974, the constituencies for elections to the National and Provincial Assemblies are to be delimited after every census.Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Ameen Akbar I have updated each constituency as of 2022 delimitations. You should not vandalize the pages. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 18:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Saad Ali Khan Pakistan I am not but you are vandalizing. Please use some common sense and answer my questions. Constituency PP-270 (Muzaffargarh-III) is my constituency. This is official and complete name of constituency. You redirect it to PP-270 Kot Addu-II. Kot Addu District is seprate district now. Tell me how can I mention my city's candidate of 2018 election in Kot Addu's, another district, page? You have deleted all candidate data of 2018 election of all cities. I admit that constituency pages are going more complicated after every delimitation especially 2002, but problem will solve after discussion of Pakistani users commiunity. So, please revert it back to proper page, where all candidates data is mention. Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Ameen Akbar You should see notification of constituencies delimitations 2022 by ECP. I have compared areas of each constituency in 2002-2013, 2018 and Tehsil's comprising of those constituencies. I have updated constituencies of all provinces of Pakistan and National Assembly. You can check those notification of 2022 delimitations on ECP website. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 20:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
You did not answer my quesion. This notification support all my pages. Now see areas of PP-270 in 2022 delimitation. This is delimitaion for 2013 and older election. Just compare all three offcial ecp's notifications for PP-270 or any other contituency. Why you are going only one notificaion? If you previously consult concered editors, you can use you hard work on other Pakistan related pages. Now we have to make correction again for all pages. I suggest we should discuss this problem at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pakistani politics and reach some conclution like Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indian constituencies).Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Ameen Akbar 2022 Delimitations are different from 2018 delimitations. Constituency maps have changed. 2018 delimitation notification is replaced by 2022. If you still have confusion than I cant do any thing for your questions Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 09:35, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
2022 Delimitation notification is for next election while 2018 delimitation notification is for 2018 election. 2022 notification will defunc old constituency. This does not effect old pages. Now we will mention in old pages that this "was" constituanecy in disctrict muzaffargarh and now defunc. There is proper tag in infobox. Just answer simple question, how I can mention 2018 election candidate of Muzaffargarh in Kot Addu District constituency? Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Ameen Akbar It will be added as in historical election results. Like some Constituencies of National Assembly are showing historical results with constituency no like NA-1_Upper_Chitral-cum-Lower_Chitral. I have start updating results of constituencies starting from PP-1 Attock. Results of some election is to be added and constituency will have full election results from 1970 to most recent 2018 elections. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 10:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Please stop your hard work on these pages untill we reach some conclusion after consulting other editors. I disagree with your proposal. It is not practical. After next delimitaion you have to redirect all pages to others. And please don't impose your self decision on other editors. You are changing hundreds of pages, so it should not done with your sole decision. Let me ask other editors, I will invite you there shortly and move this discussion there. Ameen Akbar (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Ameen Akbar Shut up man . Who are you to make decisions. If you would be that capable all constituency pages would be updated. I don't care of your agreements or disagreements. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 11:44, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Ameen Akbar (talk) 11:53, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Hey man im josh, User:MPGuy2824 and Eejit43, Hope you guys are doing well. This person named User:امین اکبر was messing with Muzaffargarh District articles. When I reverted them he started arguing about that. I don't know what is he up to. I invite you guys to be part of this discussion and stop him to vandalize constituency pages of Pakistan.

I have two suggestions

1- Remove the area name in the title and treat it as PP-1 or Constituency PP-1 and add all previous election data as sections. Redirect all new and old official names to PP-1. 2- Add the election year in the title, for example. PP-1 (election 2013) or PP-1 (election 2013-2018) Obaid Raza (talk) 16:44, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Previous Discussion from my talk page

Punjab constituencies inconsistencies Hi Ameen, has the numbering of the constituencies changed lately? e.g. You've created Constituency PP-271 (Muzaffargarh-IV), while according to Template:Constituencies of Punjab Assembly, PP-271 seems to be Bahawalpur-V, whereas Muzaffargarh-IV seems to be PP-254. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Dear MPGuy2824 let me clear. According to ECP website

According to the Delimitation of Constituencies Act, 1974, the constituencies for elections to the National and Provincial Assemblies are to be delimited after every census.

So, Constituency PP-271 (Bahawalpur-V) and Constituency PP-254 (Muzaffargarh-IV) were created according to 1998 Census of Pakistan, so 2008 Pakistani general election and 2013 Pakistani general election were held for same Constituency. Election Commission of Pakistan delimit old and create new Constituency according 2017 Census of Pakistan. So Constituency PP-271 (Bahawalpur-V) for general election 2008 and 2013 while Constituency PP-271 (Muzaffargarh-IV) was for general election 2018. I also feel there are so many inconsistencies in constituencies pages, that may mislead users. I am working on this. After covering constituencies of Muzaffargarh, I will try to arrang all constituencies of country and provinces according to census or elections.I will also try to arrange Template:Constituencies of Punjab Assembly accordingly. Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:44, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Suggestion: rename all the constituencies (a few at a time) by removing the "Constituency PP-XYZ" part. Leave only the name of the constituency. Maybe that would solve a few inconsistencies. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
MPGuy2824 your suggestion is really good, rename Constituency PP Muzaffargarh-IV to Constituency PP Muzaffargarh-IV may solve many inconsistencies. But we are using Constituency name as per ECP.Ameen Akbar (talk) 11:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
You could think of the constituency number as just an arbitrary numbering and the name (Muzaffargarh-IV, in this instance) as the more important part. The ECP seems to be doing the numbering arbitrarily every time anyway. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
I will think more about this and your suggestive way as well. I think these inconsistencies must be fix now, or this issue will become even worse.Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:40, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
This will mislead readers because everytime new pages will be created it will confuse readers. Constituency number and area comprising of constituency change after delimitations. Like in NA-1 Upper Chitral-cum-Lower Chitral all election results and Constituency no are shown. everytime if some one wants to see result of previous election they can find through one page. Constituency. I have merged constituencies with same area but different name according to the most recent Delimitations of 2022. I have started to update election results of those constituencies since 1970 elections to date.MPGuy2824 Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 12:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Suggestions

We should create pages of the constituency as per official names given by the election commission of Pakistan in their notification with the Constituency prefix. If the names of the two constituencies are the same but the area is different we should add the delimitation year in brackets after the name of the new page. All pages with the same number should be listed in the number page. For example, there should be a page with name PP-270, in this page all pages contian PP-70 listed with delimitation year. This list page should not be treated as Disambiguation. We can not merge all pages in PP-270 as it will create more ambiguity. Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
This will cause duplicate page and other issues like confusion. Constituencies should be named as of 2022 delimitations. Previous Election results of those constituencies should be added as historical election result.
My hometown NA constituency was NA-56 before 2018, NA-60 on 2018 delimitations and now it is NA-54. Provincial constituency was PP-13 Rawalpindi-XIII form 2002-2018, PP-11 Rawalpindi-VI in 2018 delimitations and PP-11 Rawalpindi-V in 2022 delimitations due to split of Murree from Rawalpindi District. If we create multiple pages it will cause confusion among readers. Using 2022 Delimitations updated pages with having previous election results will make everyone find data at one page easily.
I am planning to update each constituency result from 1970 to most recent election result like we see in Indian Constituencies and American House District pages. making pages having result of just 1 or 2 election does not make any sense. -Ameen Akbar Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Your suggestion is not practical. Add other suggestions or refine it more? Here is my question about your suggestion. How will you treat the next delimitation in 2023, which will announce after 2023 Census of Pakistan or after future census that will occur after five or ten years? Should we redirect old constituency pages every time as history? How will you adjust constituencies' names of 1970 election of Pakistan? There is no such constituency name like that in the new delimitation. You will have to create separate pages for them. The area, election result, by-election result, and voter statistics are sufficient data to create a new constituency page for each delimation. Ameen Akbar (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Hong Kong does it this way. See New Territories West (1998 constituency), for example. The only thing is that they have very few (geographical) constituencies, while Pakistan has much more. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:23, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Hong Kong Constituency is a multi member constituency and also defunct one. Pakistani constituencies resemble more like US congressional districts. Take Example of CA-11, Areas comprising of Congressional district change but district/constituency name remains. Here in Pakistan constituencies are named after their districts. I have updated election result of PP-1 Attock-I Since 1970. Here you can see that constituency name changes everytime. If we make separate pages of each of former constituency than it will make confusions among the readers. I suggest we should use name of most recent delimitations but also add historic election results on them as well that if some one wish to see previous election result than they would easily access.
I am also planning to update election pages with complete constituency result in a list. Here in 2023 Punjab election so that everyone can easily see election result of their desire easily. I wish to see Pakistani election pages and constituency pages having complete informationj like Indian pages. eg Tripura. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 07:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
@Saad Ali Khan Pakistan You did not answer any of my question. If we go as you planed, what will happen after next delimitation? If election commission change PP-1 Attock-I to PP-542 Attock-I or PP-234 Attock-I, what will we do? As per your plan we have to redirect PP-1 Attock-I to new page and new page to another new page after future delimitations. You are increasing future responsibility of users regarding existing pages. On the other hand, I just want, we should not change title of pages next time and we can work on new pages. Moreover, you can add only one infobox in PP-1 Attock-I. Where is infobox about history section you mention? If we create separate page, we can add infobox with area names.
@MPGuy2824 your suggestion is very good. Hong Kong situation is perfectly like us and there is not any confusion. New Territories West (1998 constituency) is defunct. Created and Abolished year mention in infobox clear all confusion. Hong Kong Island West (2021 constituency) show only created tag, so there is no confusion that which one is old and which one is new. Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Infobox with areas is not a good suggestion. If new delimitations happen than we can update constituency pages according to the latest Delimitations and previous constituency name and result would remain in the constituency page. If you cant understand what I am saying that I don't have spare time to waste on a person like you. Constituency boundary and area changes but if update constituency page name it can reduce confusion among readers. If we made more and more pages having just 1 or 2 election results than it will increase confusion. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
    • Admins should stop Ameen Akbar to vandalize constituency pages. He is misleading and trying to disrupt update on constituency pages.(talk)
The other proposal I think which is more feasible right now is to let them the way they are. At maximum we can have separate infobox for every elections with recent most at the top. Muneebll (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
@Muneebll Title with election year will create more complications because by-elections occur in the same year. However, the Page title with delimitation year will somehow solve the problem. @Saad Ali Khan Pakistan, stop your abusive behaviour. You have to talk to everyone before the change in hundreds of pages. You can not do it according to your own wish. I and other user had worked on these pages so we have to discuss it. For updating a page, after the new delimitation, you have to redirect it with the latest title. This will more confusing. See this Sample Constituency page. In my opinion, we can mention the previous page in the history section like this sample constituency page.. There are hundreds of defunct constituency pages on Wikipedia. So, don't worry about Paksista's defunct constituency pages. We need to link these pages with the list of elections pages. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
This alternative suggestion is even worse, It will cause even more confusions among he readers. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 20:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Confusion means when an ordinary person visits just for information List of members of the 15th National Assembly of Pakistan and clicks on NA-178 (Rahim Yar Khan-IV) he will redirect to NA-174 Rahim Yar Khan-VI. In description you mentioned that "178 areas are in 174". In the infobox of NA-174 Rahim Yar Khan-VI see the areas of constituency and Click Here to see actual areas of previous NA-178 (Rahim Yar Khan-IV. Both are different. In the infobox of NA-174 Rahim Yar Khan-VI, there is mention that this constituency is created from NA-195 Rahim Yar Khan-IV, this is factually wrong. This is a perfect example of TOTAL CONFUSION . In case of Constituency PP-270 (Muzaffargarh-III), you redirect it to PP-270 Kot Addu-II with description. "Areas of this constituency are now part of Kot Addu District.". This is totally wrong. If this is not misunderstanding, this is a lie. Now these are two separate districts with separate areas. I have mentioned areas above in columns. Take a look again. Other users may see who is creating confusion on Wikipedia. Ameen Akbar (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Constituencies don't remain as same as previous in new delimitations. some areas become part of neighboring constituencies. I redirected constituencies having majority of the area of predecessor delimitation constituency. I have carefully read areas comprising of constituency. PP-270 was previously part of Muzaffargarh district in 2018 now it is part of Kot addu District. You should contribute in updating result of constituencies instead of arguing and wasting time. Once all results will be updated all issues can be resolved. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 22:20, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Your carefulness is shown on all pages. Just see again carefully all areas of PP-270 of 2018 delimitation and PP-270 of 2022 delimitation. I am resident of Municipal Committee Muzaffargarh area. Municipal Committee Kot Addue is 55 Kilometers away. Both existed as Tehsils for a long time. No area of Municipal Committee Muzaffargarh is transferred to Municipal Committee Kot Addu. OK just tell me which area of PP-270 of 2018 transferred to PP-270 Kot Addu in 2022? Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
I know about Kot Addu District. It is true PP 270 was comprised of Muzaffargarh city area in 2018. I moved PP 270 of 2022 delimitations to Kot Addu District as I followed 2022 delimitations. Election results of 2018 PP 270 Muzaffargarh city area will be mentioned in PP-272 (current constituency comprising of Muzaffargarh city area). Because of Ramzan I cannot give time to update of election results of constituency pages.
Election results of each constituency since 1970 will be updated soon. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 19:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Redirect is not correct when the name of the city in the title of the page changes. This really creates confusion among the common users. It is also true that all other users should be consulted when you want to make changes to hundreds of pages. It is powered by the collective will and contributions of Wikipedia users. An individual can do whatever he wants on his own website, but not on Wikipedia. Your style of speech is also not suitable for wikipedia, please correct it. In my view it is not correct to redirect all pages created on old delimitation circles to the new one.--Cheel (talk) 23:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
When new delimitations happened there was no one on talk pages of constituencies. Conditions of pages of Sindh, Balochistan and majority were not even touched since 2008, 2009 or 2011. I updated them as of 2022 delimitations and planning to update results of each constituency like PP-1 Attock-I. Condition of pages on Urdu Wikipedia is even worse. I have positive intention to update constituency pages up-to-date. Redirecting old constituency pages to updated delimitations reduces confusion and election results can be found in one page with elections/by-election years. If we keep making new and new pages than it will rise confusion among users and will be difficult to manage.
Election pages of each province and National Assembly of Pakistan should have list like Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. It will have links to their respective constituency with their election results.
You can see the history revisions of Templates of Punjab, National Assembly, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh. They were outdated and were not updated. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 08:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
One more thing
Names of the Cities were not changed. New Districts were carved out from previously existing districts. Wazirabad was carved out from Gujranwala, Murree from Rawalpindi, Kot Addu form Muzaffargarh, Jampur from Rajanpur and Taunsa from Dera Ghazi Khan in Punjab in late 2022. Same happened in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa when South Waziristan was bifurcated to Lower and Upper South Waziristan Districts in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Karezat, Usta Muhammad and Hub carved out from Pishin, Jafarabad and Lasbela respectively. You can see in this official notification showing name change of constituencies.Notification. That was the reason to change name of the constituencies and rearranging number of constituency for example PP-6 Rawalpindi-I beccame PP-6 Murree than PP-7 Rawalpindi-II will automatically turn into PP-7 Rawalpindi-I. If we keep making new and new pages than it will be difficult to manage and will cause confusion among readers. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 09:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
This notification is for the creation of new constituencies after the creation of the new district. This does not apply to the whole of Punjab or Pakistan. As per law old constituency abolish after the census. No doubt you are doing hard work but it is also controversial. Please update the result to the existing page, do not redirect the old page. Creating and managing new pages is very easy. While redirecting old pages to new ones after every delimitation will create problems. Just update the result on the existing page, and label it ABOLISH with
Category:Constituencies disestablished in 2022
. It is true that there are very few users from Pakistan who work on Wikipedia. But this does not mean that any of them impose his wish on others. I have created more than a thousand new pages about railway stations in Pakistan. I did not touch any existing pages without consulting the page creators or editors. By the way, I am also an admin on Urdu Wikipedia. You are welcome to work on Urdu Wikipedia. We are facing the same problem there, lack of users.
Ameen Akbar (talk) 11:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not imposing my wish to these articles. I just feel sad to see that no one works on betterment of Pakistani articles and meanwhile articles of India, USA and other countries are up-to-dated, I have made some articles on Urdu Wikipedia but no one have reviewed them on Urdu Wikipedia. Urdu articles are very out dated and lacks proper efficient administration. If I don't see any one updating pages or working on articles for a long time than who should I contact to. See talk pages of articles, no conversation has even started in most of the articles.
My intention is just for the betterment and keeping Pakistani articles up-to-dated. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 12:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Category:Constituencies disestablished in 2022 This category shows constituencies are abolished (visit their pages). I have created new constituency pages which were gained like Lahore gained 5 provincial seats, Quetta gained 3 provincial seats and so on. Some districts like Gujrat's 8 seats were reduced to 7 in 2018 and 2022 delimitations. Districts like Nankana Sahib, Jhelum, Sargodha, Okara, Mandi Bahauddin, Toba Tek Sindh, Khushab and Faisalabad were also one of the districts who lost 1 seats each in 2018 delimitations.
Peshawar and Lower Dir both gained 3 and 1 seats respectively, Abbottabad, Haripur and Swabi lost 1 seats each. In 2022 delimitations Chitral gained 1 seat reduced from Swat, Kohat gained 1 seat abolished from former FR regions constituency PK-115.
In Sindh Karachi gained 2 and Khairpur gained 1 seat whereas Nawabshah, Shikarpur and Naushehro feroz lost 1 seats each. I have created page of new/gained constituency and made lost constituency abolished after seeing their maps Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I have no doubt about your hard work and good intention. I really appreciate you for the creation of new constituency pages. I have objection only redirection of old pages to new ones. In my opinion, it will create difficulties in the future. I just want to keep the old page as it is with Category:Constituencies disestablished in XXXX. We can add a history section with inline links to old pages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistani politics/Sample Constituency. I have created Politics of Muzaffargarh. We can create such pages about all cities with references. This is the best place to keep historical data about politics and politicians. Ameen Akbar (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
I am currently creating table in Punjab provincial election 2018 in which winner and runner up of each constituency will be updated. Each constituency name will be linked to current constituency pages. It will lead to their specific pages. I will carefully link constituency names with their pages by comparing 2018 and 2022 maps. It will take to their correct pages by clicking on their link. I think it will be helpful for the readers. Please give me some time.
Keeping old constituency pages will be difficult to manage and not feasible. It is because Electoral history of Pakistan is not so long and in a continuity like USA(1776-present), India(1951-present) or UK(1660's-present). we only had 1970, 1977, 1985. 1988, 1990, 1993, 1997, 2002, 2008,2013 and 2018 elections. Constituencies were created for the first time in 1970, changed in 1977, again changed in 1985 and remained same until 1997. New Constituencies delimitations happened with increase of seats in 2002 and same delimitation continued since 2018. In 2018 and again 2022 delimitations happened and constituencies changed with some districts gaining and losing seats.
For example our home province Punjab had 180 seats in 1970, 240 from 1977 to 1997 and 297 from 2002 to present. Instead of managing more than 1000 pages, wouldn't it be easy for us to manage 297 pages having information related to previous gen and by elections?
If we apply same rule on constituency pages of Sindh, Balochistan, Azad Kashmir, KPK and National Assembly, than pages will be even more.
Instead of making more and more pages having 1 or 2 gen election results and showing their links like This example. I suggest we should develop constituency pages like PP-1 Attock-I. It has information of each general election since 1970 and anyone who want to see election result can easily access all information in same article rather than going to different pages. If we create more and more articles it will be difficult to find and difficult to manage. In Future if we update election results of each constituency we can create pages of provincial elections from 1970 to 1997 and link constituency names with with their respective correct pages. It will take some time but will give excellent result.
I have visited Politics of Muzaffargarh page. creating pages like that can be difficult to manage in my opinion as there are more than 100 districts across the country and some districts of Pakistan (Like Balochistan Districts) have so less population that they don't have 1 National or Provincial seat. More districts form 1 National or Provincial seat. Forexample: PB-7, NA-260. Politics of Muzaffargarh like pages can be created for big cities like Karachi and Lahore which has more seats. Karachi has 21 NA seats which are more than Balochistan's 16 and Islamabad's 3 seats combined. Karachi also has 44 Sindh assembly seats. Lahore has 14 NA and 30 Punjab assembly seats. Instead of making pages of each city or district I suggest we should develop page Elections in Punjab. It can have politics and electoral history from all over Punjab and have sub-sections having information related to each district. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Please stop editing lists and existing pages of the constituencies until community reaches on consensus. Ameen Akbar (talk) 10:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Useful tools for the project

Hi, I'm adding a few tools to this project to make it easy for members to monitor issues.

Please watchlist/bookmark these tools. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, these tool will very helpful. Ameen Akbar (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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RfC about Naming conventions of constituencies

In my opinion constituencies page titles should be as per the official name of the Election Commission of Pakistan. While another user is redirecting the old page to a new constituency which was created after delimitation without consulting or notifying other concerned editors. See the discussion in above section to understand the matter.Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  • Constituencies pages have same title names as official name of Election Commission of Pakistan. Old pages were redirected because new delimitations happened in 2022. and were succeeded by 2018 constituencies. Before starting redirection and updating of constituency pages, I went to see talk pages but most of the constituency pages didn't have any discussion and many of the pages were not even touched since their formation.
When i completed updating constituency pages of all provincial assemblies of Pakistan and National Assembly. Ameen Akbar came and started this discussion. He suggests we should make constituency pages of each election since 1970 and I suggest we should have constituency pages based on latest delimitations and also have election results of previous provincial and general election like CA-52, Constituencies abolished because of districts losing seat after census should be classified as defunct whereas districts gaining seats should have new constituency page. If a new district is created than preceding constituency should be succeeded as their new name. For example PP-1 Rawalpindi-I had same area and boundaries but when Murree separated from Rawalpindi as a new District It succeeded as PP-6 Murree.
If we keep making more and more pages just having election results of 1 or 2 elections it would not only difficult to manage but also cause confusion among readers. I suggest to update constituency pages like PP-1 Attock-I. It has election results and constituency number since 1970 and if some person wishes to read, they will get information from a same page instead of searching and finding other page of same constituency again and again. For easy access of readers, i suggest to create list of constituencies in each provincial election like 2023 Punjab Election, it will guide readers to visit the constituency and see the election results. For example if someone will click on Attock-I he/she will easily reach the constituency page and election result. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
  • A good option is to remove the area name from the title and keep it just numbers like PP-270. This also avoids redirecting the page to a new page in the future.--Cheel (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
This suggestion seems good but it will affect continuity of election result of constituency. For example. PP-270 comprised of Bahawalpur from 2002-2018, Than Muzaffargarh city area from 2018-2022 and now Kot Addu district area. Another example, PP-1 comprised of Rawalpindi City from 1970 to 1997, Murree from 2002-2018 and Attock from 2018-present. See PP-1 Attock-I It shows election results along with their constituency name and no since 1970. If we update constituency pages like that and than show them in election results in a list like 2023 Punjab Election (Please visit and click Attock-I It will lead us to its detailed election result and if someone visits constituency page, they can easily access election result in a sequence.
However, with your suggestion it will also be easy to manage, but we will have to add CA-52 section as well to see historical areas comprising of the constituency. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 21:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't have any personal issues with you. I just want after ten or twenty years, another Wiki user could not change or re-arrange all pages, without consultation, like you are doing now. In this case, you will also be hurt. So, let us finalize a policy. Anyhow, removing the city name from the title looks like a good suggestion. We have to add a Constituency prefix before the title as PP-1 is a very generic term. Some other fields may have these terms. We can add CA-52 like historic limits as per your suggestion. Please do a favor, and create an example page at Sample Constituency Page. Ameen Akbar (talk) 17:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
PP-1 Attock-I is perfect example showing election results from same area since 1970. Sample Constituency Page this suggestion does not seem fine. If we use Constituency name without their district name (like PP-1, PP-288 etc) than we will have to add a list showing former areas comprsing of constituency like CA-2. If we use District names with constituency name like PP-1 Attock-I than we should have to update 2023 Punjab Election (Please visit and click Attock-I, It will lead us to its detailed election result. We will also have to update tables showing list of constituencies with constituency name, winner, runner-up margin of victory in each of the election page of provinces and National assembly of Pakistan like Tripura, India . If someone want to see detailed result every reader can easily access election result by clicking to the constituency link on the list.
You should update constituency pages on urdu wikedia instead of arguing on this. Even Obaid Raza is saying the truth. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
If you agree to rename "PP-1 Attock-I" to "Constituency PP-1" or "PP-1" may solve the problem. In this case, we will have to update only one page's content. We can adopt the example of CA-02 or CA-52. If we go with PP-1 Attock-I and in future constituency name changes, we have to change the title or redirect the old page to a new one, just like you redirect Muzaffargarh page to the Kot Addu page. Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
I did the same thing already and all content is in one page. If new delimitations happen in near future than it can be redirected again in light of that future delimitation. Like PP-1 Rawalpindi became PP-6 Rawalpindi and than PP-6 Murree etc. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 17:35, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Dear, this is not the problem of only redirection. Understand the problem once again. YOU redirected all pages to new ones according to the new delimitation. YOU updated all lists and all member's pages. If after the next delimitation PP-1 Attock I become PP-1 Attock V then you will redirect PP-1 Attock I to PP-1 Attock V. It will work only for another next delimitation. If PP-1Attock V becomes PP-1 Accock VII in 2028 you will have to redirect PP-1Attock V to PP-1 Accock VII. In this case, redirects in lists and members' pages will not work properly. Now at this time, there are 84 inline links in PP-1 Accock I. To know this I just search [[ sign with find command. So, in 2028 we will have to update 84 pages just to correct only one constituency. Multiply it with all constituencies. You are active now, maybe you will be busy in the business in the future. Who will perform these tasks? You know well about the Pakistani community. Once I and dozens of users were active like you on Wikipedia. But, we have employment problems now. If we remove the area name from the title, then we have to add just a new election or delimitation in a section of the existing page. There will be no need to update lists or member pages. Ameen Akbar (talk) 22:39, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
How can PP-1 Attock-1 become Attock 5? Your example is not logical. Constituency pages i have updated were not even touched since 2013 or some pages of Sindh and Balochistan were last edited in 2008,2009 or 2010. If i spent time updating them than i can also give time to keep it updated and stop them to be vandalized as well in future. Since i started following wikipedia, i got inspiration from Indian and American election pages and wished to update Pakistani pages as well. Saad Ali Khan Pakistan (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
If PP-270 Bahawalpur-IV of 2013 could change to PP-270 Muzaffargarh-III in 2018 then PP-1 Attock-1 may also become Attock 5 in the future. Further, this is not only your Wikipedia, here consensus is a must for dispute. Ameen Akbar (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
  • These types of unilateral-undiscussed changes will create confusion among the common users of Wikipedia, it would be better to have separate pages of constituencies like before or not mention the city name in the title. War Wounded (talk) 07:07, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
  • This RfC is poorly formulated for editors to come and have a say. Better way should be that both the parties should come up with their proposals in a brief statement and editors to support either of it. It's currently unclear for uninvolved editors to have any say. However I believe there's no consensus so far on any point so Status Quo should be maintained and not to make changes to it unless a clear consensus is obtained. Muneebll (talk) 20:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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