Talk:2022 Missouri train derailment

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A fact from 2022 Missouri train derailment appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 July 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a group of Boy Scouts provided first aid to victims of the 2022 Missouri train derailment before first responders arrived?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2022 Missouri train derailment.

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Time[edit]

Since Central Daylight Time is in effect in Missouri, the difference between local time and UTC should be 5 hours, not 6. I would change it, but I don't know whether the local time is correct and UTC wrong, or vice versa. 23.28.74.44 (talk) 03:37, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been fixed by another editor (not me). RickyCourtney (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

Wouldn't "2022 Mendon, Missouri train derailment" be a much better title? Mjroots (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if there was another train derailment in Missouri, in 2022, that was notable enough for its own Wikipedia article. Unless there’s further need for disambiguation, this title follows established standards. Plus according to the sources the incident didn’t actually happen in the town of Mendon. RickyCourtney (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Odd coincidences[edit]

Just noting for now the odd spate of fatal Amtrak collisions with vehicles at level crossings: 4 occurred within 24 hours including the Southwest Chief 4 described in this article:

San Joaquins 713, approx. 1 PM PDT on June 26 at a private crossing near Brentwood, California^[1]^[2]
Crescent 20, approx. 6:20 PM EDT on June 26 near Birmingham, Alabama^[3]
Wolverine 354, early on June 27 near Detroit, Michigan^[4]

References

^ Chan, Stella; Levenson, Eric (June 28, 2022). "Train collides with vehicle at California intersection without crossing arms, killing three". CNN.
^ Brinkley, Leslie (June 27, 2022). "Brentwood train crossing where 3 women died in collision with Amtrak known for other crashes". ABC 7 News.
^ Robinson, Carol (June 26, 2022). "Motorist killed in collision with Amtrak train in southwest Birmingham". al.com.
^ "Man, woman killed in crash with Amtrak after fleeing drag race in Detroit". Detroit Free Press. Associated Press. June 29, 2022.

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Train consist[edit]

The train consist is quite detailed and difficult to source. The best I have found so far is a forum post that reposted a trainspotting website: https://www.amtraktrains.com/threads/southwest-chief-derailment.82424/page-4#post-964194 ... if there is a better source, it should be added to the article. Photographs now confirm that AMTK 133 and a Viewliner baggage car were involved; other aerial images could be used to piece together specific Superliner cars. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The consist included the following locomotives and railcars (in no specific order; feel free to edit if needed):^[1]

133, GE P42DC
166, GE P42DC
61053, CAF Viewliner-II Baggage
31029, Pullman-Standard Superliner-I Coach/Baggage
32104, Bombardier Superliner-II Sleeper
33046, Bombardier Superliner-II Lounge
34026, Pullman-Standard Superliner-I Coach
34102, Bombardier Superliner-II Coach
38060, Bombardier Superliner-II Diner
39045, Bombardier Superliner-II Transition/Dorm

References

^ "Amtrak by the Numbers". On Track On Line. Retrieved 3 August 2022.

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 13:59, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 11:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a group of Boy Scouts provided first aid to victims of the 2022 Missouri train derailment before first responders arrived? Source: https://abc7chicago.com/missouri-train-derailment-amtrak-mendon-mo-crash/12000513/
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Created by Sea Cow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comments by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: A new and long-enough article. QPQ is unrequired, this s your second DYK. No secondary issues, Earwig marks Violation Unlikely 22.5% but "Close to 20 local and state law enforcement agencies, ambulance services, fire departments and medical helicopter services responded" needs to be reworded as it is the same text that appears in the cited source and it is not a sentence that couldn't be paraphrased. The hook is interesting. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 22:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sea Cow: Courtesy ping. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whoopsies, kinda forgot to do this. Fixed the sentence, should be a-ok! Sea Cow (talk) 18:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Response” section[edit]

Do we need the ”Response” section? Currently it’s just a short list of politicians offering their “thoughts and prayers.“ That happens after every mass casualty event and doesn’t seem to add any additional context or information for the reader. RickyCourtney (talk) 15:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the two first things about the congress person and governor could be eliminated as you said. I think that the involvement of the boy scouts were some of the most interesting tidbits of information, so that could probably be moved up to a section about the boy scouts. Sea Cow (talk) 21:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lawsuits[edit]

If someone has a PACER account, they should be able to track these lawsuits:

E.D. Mo., case 4:22-cv-00694, National Railroad Passenger Corporation Amtrak et al v. MS Contracting LLC
- Docket at Justia
E.D. Mo., case 2:22-cv-00037, National Railroad Passenger Corporation Amtrak et al v. MS Contracting LLC
E.D. Mo., case 4:22-cv-00701, Janet Williams and David Williams v. National Railroad Passenger Corporation a/k/a/ Amtrak et al
- Initial complaint
- Docket at Justia
E.D. Mo., case 2:22-cv-00038, Gallaway et al v. National Railroad Passenger Corporation a/k/a/ Amtrak
- Docket at Justia
- Circuit Court (Chariton County) filing

Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 16:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Chan, Stella; Levenson, Eric (June 28, 2022). "Train collides with vehicle at California intersection without crossing arms, killing three". CNN.

[2] Brinkley, Leslie (June 27, 2022). "Brentwood train crossing where 3 women died in collision with Amtrak known for other crashes". ABC 7 News.

[3] Robinson, Carol (June 26, 2022). "Motorist killed in collision with Amtrak train in southwest Birmingham". al.com.

[4] "Man, woman killed in crash with Amtrak after fleeing drag race in Detroit". Detroit Free Press. Associated Press. June 29, 2022.

[5] "Amtrak by the Numbers". On Track On Line. Retrieved 3 August 2022.

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