Talk:24K Magic (album)

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Good article24K Magic (album) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic star24K Magic (album) is the main article in the 24K Magic series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
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May 29, 2020Good article nomineeListed
September 27, 2020Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article

Requested move 13 October 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. I don't deny that the album has gotten hype, but the song has also made quite an impact, and it's too soon to determine a primary topic when the album hasn't even been released yet. No prejudice against a future RM after the album is released, though I'd wait at least several months before doing so. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]


24K Magic (album) → 24K Magic – The rationale is simple. Whoever sees the album article, has access to all the songs o the album. But, when we keep the disambiguation (which is not necessary as the album page links to the song article, just like the disambig links to both articles.) We are making things easy for the reader by keeping this page on the suggested title. This is the parent album which covers the song too. It is the only other topic with this name. Similar to Can't Be Tamed, etc. MaranoFan (talk) 09:57, 13 October 2016 (UTC)--Even if the nominator is opposing his own move, it attracted enough attention for this. Relisting to obtain a clearer consensus (if there is one) © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 05:29, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose → No indication that the album is the primary topic over the song. Similar to Thriller (Michael Jackson album), Thriller (song) and Starboy (album), Starboy (song); many more examples available on wikipedia. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:28, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:CONCEPTDAB and WP:TWODABS. Unlike the "Thriller" and "Starboy" examples, the only two topics on Wikipedia called "24K Magic" are Bruno Mars-related, so, as readers are going to be looking for one or the other, either choice fits the undisambiguated name. I believe it's best to point to the album as per WP:CONCEPTDAB, as it contains info about the song, while the song's article will not contain info about the album. As I said before, both topics are Bruno Mars related, so, since neither choice will astonish readers, keeping this as a DAB page is of no benefit. Nohomersryan (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thriller and Starboy aren't great examples. Like a Prayer is. Only the Madonna song and album have articles with this name; yet there is no primary topic. Chase (talk | contributions) 18:40, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — It would make more sense to name the album article just 24K Magic. No other article shares this title and it's likely going to be more notable than the title track. Aria1561 (talk) 16:16, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The song is a current chart hit; the album has yet to be released. Per Like a Virgin, Like a Prayer, Born This Way, and others. Revisit this in a year if either the song or album shows significantly more popularity than the other. Chase (talk | contributions) 18:38, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the world won't end if we let readers choose themselves rather than deciding which article they should download by mistake. WP:TWODABS allows exactly this situation to save download time. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with what MarioSoulTruthFan said. Musicedit98 (talk) 04:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • So since the nominator re-drawn the intention I guess we have reached a consensuses. Can someone close this discussion? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Two others have supported this RM so I think an early close would be inappropriate. Chase (talk | contributions) 23:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If you need a reminder of just how big of a deal new Bruno Mars music is, you can go back and look at the commercial performance of his previous albums. This argument seems to strictly boil down to bias on both sides, but at least the side that supports have the numbers to back it up. It's a pretty simple fix, name the page for the album "24K Magic" and put a redirect option at the top of the album page for those looking for the single page. Cheetoburrito (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure what your point is, since both articles in question pertain to Bruno Mars music. Chase (talk | contributions) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Chase's rationale. —IB [ Poke ] 15:19, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - album's defeinitely bigger than the song. Unreal7 (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Poor example. The Speak Now album has sold millions of copies and the song wasn't released as a single and isn't well-known. There's a clear primary topic. Chase (talk | contributions) 21:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Alt title?[edit]

Should the lead somehow note the stylization XXIV Magic per the album's cover art? ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It should you can add it if you want. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No. "Stylization" notes are to point out when an album is released and promoted with a different title than Wikipedia deems printworthy (i.e. ARTPOP or /\/\/\Y/\). Our job isn't to mimic the product packaging. Readers have eyes. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But I'm thinking about this more from a redirect perspective. If someone is looking at the album cover, they may be inclined to type "XXIV Magic" here at Wikipedia in order to find information about the album. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then make a redirect for XXIVk Magic? That's not the actual name of the album, though, nor is it officially promoted as such. Chase (talk | contributions) 03:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Uptown Special is in the same situation, I agree with Another Believer on this one. Only stylized would be enough. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:08, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But in this case its not stylization per say? 24 and XXIV both are two sides of a coin. —IB [ Poke ] 18:30, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Smeezingtons and Shampoo Press & Curl[edit]

http://genius.com/a/who-is-bruno-mars-mystery-producer-shampoo-press-curl I think that something about it should be written to avoid misunderstandings. What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.52.203 (talk) 10:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've been looking for something like that for a long time. But I wonder how reliable is that source? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:22, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have no clue if this is reliable unfortunatelly... I was just curious who shampoo press & curl is and bumped into this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.36.47.48 (talk) 23:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The writer seems legit since he has writer for other publications such as XXL and Complex (not the best because it takes stuff from other articles yet...). However I'm not 100% sure regarding its reliability, I would like a more experienced user to help out with this. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:30, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in 24K Magic (album)[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 24K Magic (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "RIAA":

  • From Cardi B discography: "Gold & Platinum – RIAA". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved December 6, 2017.
  • From David Guetta discography: "American certifications – Guetta, David". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved January 18, 2013.
  • From Music download: "For Students Doing Reports". RIAA. Retrieved 30 April 2012.
  • From List of music recording certifications: "RIAA – Recording Industry Association of America". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved 2008-05-26.
  • From T-Pain discography: "Gold & Platinum: T-Pain". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved November 8, 2016.
  • From Bruno Mars discography: "American certifications – Mars, Bruno". Recording Industry Association of America. Retrieved April 19, 2011.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 January 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:37, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

– The Thank U Next RM reminded me of this page, and the above RM from before the album even came out. Now that the dust has settled, the album appears to be the easy primary topic. It's established long-term notability by winning the Album of the Year Grammy (among others), has been certified triple platinum, and outstrips the song's pageviews easily - 73% of all "24K Magic" hits are for the album. With how many "oppose" votes above were based on "the album hasn't even come out yet", this is worth a second look. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:12, 28 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 12:56, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The single has also won a Grammy and has been certified five times platinum by RIAA, that's no argument. A page having more views mean nothing, the same could be argued for MJ's Thriller song and album. Sure the difference is not that big but I'm sure once the "dust has settled" the difference won't be as massive as of right now. [1]. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:10, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thriller is not a very convincing argument, it would probably be the primary topic if Thriller (genre) did not exist, unlike 24k magic which has no other non Bruno Mars topic.Nohomersryan (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Starboy (album) and Starboy (song) will convince you, since its the same case. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Nice4What (talk · contribs) 19:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this soon, I expect that this should take around 3 days to complete... Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

  • Alt text needed.
  • Recording section doesn't have any citation that says recording took place in 2015–2016.
"It was recorded at Glenwood Place Studios in Burbank, California between the fall 2015 and September 2016" → The Rolling Stone interview- "I’ve been living in this damn box for 18 months!". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Studio location shouldn't be in small text.
  • Genres: IT (Pop), Pitchfork (R&B, funk) RS (new jack swing). There's no citation for soul.
See Irish Times as it says "R&B / Soul". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It needs to be directly explained in the article. I'm almost certain we can't use the article's subcategory (I've seen previous failed attempts to use Pitchfork the same way). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a subcategory or a tag. It is explicity. "Genres: R&B/Soul". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still uncertain about this, but since I can't find a policy, it should be alright. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length, label, producer, discography, and single dates are all correct.

Lede[edit]

  • Why the use of "composers" instead of producers?
They wrote and produced the album. Henceforth such use. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the last sentence of the first paragraph to the first sentence of the second paragraph, as that part speaks about composition/lyrics.
  • Source needed for soul genre.
See above. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need to list every artist he was inspired by, as the body will explain that. Change to "Mars was inspired to create an album on which he could capture the sound of 1990s R&B that he listened and danced to during his childhood."
  • Remove or improve on "He wanted to make people dance." as it's only mentioned once in the body and not elaborated on.
  • Versace "charted moderately", but where?
  • Need to write what it was "change of style" from. Mars' previous releases?
It's already there "many reviewers noticed the change of style, focusing on contemporary R&B". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove "(2017–2018)" from after the tour, I don't believe it's part of the MOS to have years listed after tours.
According to MOS "Do not list all dates here, instead mention the range of dates (ex. June–September 1992)." MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Background[edit]

  • What's the difference between background and the below recording subsection? I would suggest incorporating the two into "Background and recording" if a distinction between the two can't be made.
Once you read you will understand the difference. Mainly the background has the inspirations for the album, what other producers, he worked, thought about Mars intentions and vision for it...On the other hand, the actual recording process is there. Studio, time it took, mixing, mastering, how the songs were created and so on. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Any part about the recording process with specific collaborators should be in the "Recording" subsection, no? I understand that the "Background" should be about influences, thank you for explaining. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think some sportion should be in there? Ater all you are the reviewer. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the paragraph about Fauntleroy, Skrillex, and T-Pain would be better in the Recording subsection. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I completely missed this, I moved to the third paragraph, not sure where it would fit better. Either the third or the fourth one. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "some details of the new album" → "some details of a new album"
  • "hinting he was" → "hinting that he was"
it is the same. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that would be improper grammar. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Introduce Mark Ronson as a British-American musician
  • Combine first two paragraphs into one
  • Nationality/occupation introduction for Andrew Wyatt, Jamareo Artis, and Missy Elliott
  • "Missy Elliott but" → "Missy Elliott, but"
  • Introduce Zane Lowe
  • "Mars said for the third album he "wanted to make a movie. A real movie. I told myself"; he also said the album is filled with 1990s influences" → "Mars said that his third album was filled with 1990s influences." No need for that quote, it adds nothing.
  • This scrapped movie belongs in the "Release and promotion" subsection. I will relook at that section in more detail once that split is done.
    • "Mars said his imaginary movie is set in New York during a summer night at the "baddest rooftop house party. 2:30 in the morning, the band comes out, fucking dipped in Versace. The girls are screaming." Mars said he was unaware of the movie's plot, adding; "it's about a Versace-wearing pimp"." → "Mars said the imaginary movie was set in New York during a summer night rooftop party. He said he was unaware of the movie's plot, but that it was about "a Versace-wearing pimp." Trimmed the details, and note the added wikilinks.
I have to disagree, it doesn't belong there for sure. It is not a real movie, "Mars said his imaginary movie", it wasn't scrapped or anything...it was a "trick" he used (his words) to get him to write the album. If you want I can add that, it will be more clear. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please make it more clear. Right now, it reads that he was making a video album and describing an actual plot. Cut the "A real movie" quote. Say that Mars was inspired by a fictional film plot. Something like... "Mars said the third album was inspired by a non-existent movie that he visualized. He said it featured "a Versace-wearing pimp" in New York during a summer night rooftop party." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 01:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Addressed with minor changes.
What's the change? I'm still seeing the unncessary "A real movie" quote. The word "confessed" has too many implications too. If you're starting to talk about the movie, you need to complete the thought. There should be no interjection about 1990's influence. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I forgot to remove it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link school balls to Prom.
  • Remove "...saying "So many things go into getting the right swing". Too detailed.
  • "The singer was inspired by his passion "for R&B acts"; he said; "that is the spirit we were hoping to capture on this album ... it was all about the live show and the kind of party I want to throw"." Find a way to rephrase this to not just be a quote.
Good work.
  • The line about Babyface seems to divulge into too much detail beyond the article's scope
  • Introduce James Fauntleroy properly
  • "That's What I Like" but → "That's What I Like", but
  • The sentence about Fauntleroy isn't clear. Was he invited just to write on one song, and ended up writing for more of the album?
Yes. Tried to make it more clear.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the "Fauntleroy said; "Bruno is the core..." sentence, it's too much detail.
 Not done It is important, but I can reprashe it if you want. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How is it important? It adds nothing to understanding the background of the album. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He is showing how both of them are a substantial portion of the sound it was created. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I made a small cahnge there, remove a portion of the quote, see if its better. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Combine the first two sentences about Skrillex into one and use less quotes.
  • Last two sentences should be incorporated into "Release and promotion" subsection.
It doesn't fit there. Release and promotion are about the performances and singles issued to the point of the album release. Not regarding the sound they were isitant or a private listening party.
Fine. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Production and composition[edit]

  • Split "Recording", "Music and lyrics", and "Cover" into its own sections.

Recording[edit]

  • Introduce Lawrence and Brown
  • Remove "his third studio album," because we know what 24K Magic is.
  • "to create a song he needs" → "to create a song, he needs"
  • "revelead" → "revealed" (typo)
  • Wikilinks to instruments
Is it really necessary? People know what an instrument is and he is not being specific about a strange instrument, just piano, drum machine and guitar. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He also believes the clothes make the album..." What clothes? It's not clear what this is about and how it relates to recording.
Read the full sentence. It is there. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's still unclear, but I get what it's suppose to mean. I suggest "He imposed a dress code in the studio during recording, favoring jewelry and "fine clothes" over sweatpants." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Lawrence said" → "Lawrence said,"
  • "He furthered that playing new songs live while recording helped." End sentence. Trim down on the use of quotes.
  • Remove "For instance,"
  • "remixed, however, Mars" → "remixed, though Mars"
  • "Mars started to write the song a long time ago never finishing it." Missing a word somewhere here.
  • Regarding "Too Good to Say Goodbye", Mars started to write the song a long time ago never finishing it. Nevertheless, when Babyface heard the chorus on the piano he wanted to finish it, Mars said the process "was old-school; sitting down on the piano and we built this song." → "Mars took a long time to write "Too Good to Say Goodbye". It was not complete until Babyface heard the chorus, encouraging the former to complete the song. They built the song together with a piano." Less quotes, proper flow.
  • Introduce the Stereotypes
  • "They had known Mars and worked with him since 2007" → "They have worked with Mars since 2007"
  • "Nevertheless, in 2015" → "Nevertheless, in 2015,"
  • Introduce Jonathan Yip, and how he relates to the Stereotypes
  • "Since the singer was already recording 24K Magic, Mars asked for "some beats" and Yip sent them. Later, he asked for more beats and The Stereotypes sent them, but they never heard from him, "nothing came of it"." → "The latter asked for "some beats" for 24K Magic, but "nothing came of it"." Simplify.
  • "In June 2016, Yip touched base with Mars. He asked Yip" → In June 2016, Mars asked Yip"
  • "and along with Shampoo Press & Curl created" → "and, along with Shampoo Press & Curl, created"
the "and" will be between two commas.
Find a way to fix the punctuation then. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How does it look now? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink mixing
  • Introduce Serban Ghenea
  • Introduce Charles Moniz
  • Please rewrite "Regarding the mixing process he said Mars was always close to it and as the album was getting a shape as it was mandatory for Mars "to sketch out his vision for the overall feel of the project."" it's not very clear.

Second review:

  • Remove wikilink to Babyface, since he was introduced above.
  • Remove wikilink to "Finnesse" in third paragraph, already linked in second paragraph
  • Remove second wikilink to "That's What I Like" depending on where you merge the paragraph from the Background subsection

Music and lyrics[edit]

  • Remove soul unless you find a better source. It must explicitly describe the album as a soul record.
Show me the guidelnes, saying so and I will do it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See above. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mars ... sheds the reggae and new wave inspirations and goes all-out R&B"" Rephrase to not be a quote. "Mars abandoned his previous new wave and reggae sound for an "all-out R&B" effort."
  • Do not use definite "The funk tracks are...", saying the three are funk tracks and that "Finesse" is a new jack swing track.
I changed it, I'm not sure what you want me to do there? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good.
  • "It also features" → "24K Magic also features" because many songs have been introduced since
  • Introduce Grandmaster Flash
I can introduce photographers, A&R, producers, and so on since it might not be clear who they are or what they do. You get the picture by reading the sentence it is an artist, since it talks about a track, further information there is a wikilink to it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "machines; according" → "machines. According" Less semicolons
  • A.V. Club says nothing about the lyrics on "Chunky"
  • Say who described the influences found on "Perm", because it's not definite.
I don't understand. Do you want me to mention the publication? Both publications have diferent parts of the sentence. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, mention publication and author. Do the same for "Calling All My Lovelies". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Introduce Brown, Rodger, and R. Kelly
per above
Okay. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink trap to Trap music
  • Halle Berry's nationality
  • "standard edition "Too Good To Say Goodbye" includes" → "standard edition, "Too Good To Say Goodbye", includes"
  • Introduce Cardi B, Salt-N-Pepper, Heavy D
Once you mention Cardi B is a rapper, you get the idea the other two are rappers as well from the sentence, "with a flow and rhyme resembling..." MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Thanks. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second review:

  • Remove wikilink and year for "Uptown Funk"

Cover art[edit]

  • Introduce Greg, if possible, and Kai.
Any ideas how to do it? Since "which was photographed by chinese phographer Kai Z Feng", doesn't strike me as GA c/e material. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"which was shot by Chinese photographer" Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the "1995 [sic] Cadillac Allanté convertible"" → "the Cadillac Allanté convertible" so we can avoid correcting Mars' own words.
  • I don't seem to understand, but there is no car on the cover art? "When they were creating the cover art, Mars decided the man driving the car..."
"coming up with the packaging, it was like, ‘What’s the guy who drives this wearing? He’s wearing the best silk s**t he owns! And he thinks he’s doing something extra-fancy in shorts!’ That’s who’s driving it. I bought that car, by the way. I had to have it.”" → reference six. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What can I do here? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Find a way to say that a car was considered during the development of the cover art. Make it clear that it was part of the process, but not the final design.
I tried to improve it. The point is that he thought what is guy behind the wheels of the cadillac wearing, doing and so on...I guess the clothing was the ultimate influence taken from it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion[edit]

  • Remove wikilink and year for "Uptown Funk"

Singles[edit]

  • This should be a subsubsection under "Release and promotion".
  • You just need to introduce people's nationality/occupation, but other than that, looks good.
Which people? Bobby Brown and so on? its says it resembles their sound, so not sure but what they can be besides artists. I will add the occupation for A&R, other staff, producers and so on...nobody does that for artists.
Okay. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second review:

  • Remove wikilink to disc jockey, term is well-known. Maybe even abbreviate to DJ, as was done for Skrillex.
  • Remove wikilink to Bobby Brown, he's introduced above

Critical reception[edit]

  • Good work.

Second review:

  • Remove wikilink to AllMusic and The Independent, already introduced above
  • Remove wikilink to Charles Moniz, introduced above. (also, wikilink him in Background remove the wikilink and introduction in "Recording"
  • Change "60th Grammy Awards" to "2018 Grammy Awards", removing wikilink because it was already introduced

Commercial performance[edit]

  • Again, good work.

Track listing[edit]

  • There are two Lawrences. Abbreviate Philip as "P. Lawrence" to avoid confusion with Trevor.
I can see where are you coming from, but I have to disagree since one is "Lawrence" and the other is "Lawrence Jr". If it was the later one would always have written "Lawrence Jr". Moreover, Philip is always between Mars and Brown name. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shorten Mars' name on Blu-Ray track 2.
Shouldn't I do the same for the others? Body Brown, Philp Lawerence, The Sterotypes crew and so on? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add in the note parameter for Blu-Ray track 13 "Mark Ronson featuring Bruno Mars" to indicate that it is not a Mars song. Remove the wikilink to Ronson as a songwriter.
  • Remove Halle Berry from the notes, this is already listed under personnel with the other background vocalists.

Personnel[edit]

  • Wikilink all of Byron "Mr. TalkBox" Chambers to Mr. TalkBox, not just the nickname.
  • "Credits adapted from the liner notes of 24K Magic." should be at the top of this subsection.
I do have Bruno Mars twice on this section. Is that fine? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's fine. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Second review:

  • Remove stylization for Shmuel Dolla $ign.
He appears like this in the album liner notes. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charts/Certifications/Release History[edit]

  • All good.

References[edit]

  • Copyvio at 50.3%, but that's just from ADM and both are quoting reviews. Other than that is 31.0%, which is good.
  • Be sure to archive all articles. I suggest this tool.
  • Ref 1 should have That's Shanghai capitalized. The link is also still live, so add the parameter url-status=live.
  • Ref 7 wikilink Rap-Up, remove wikilink from ref 107
  • Ref 8 website should target to Complex Networks (company), remove wikilink from ref 109
  • Ref 13 should wikilink Associated Press as author
  • Ref 38 remove wikilink to NYT (already linked in ref 22)
  • Ref 40 remove wikilink to RS (already linked in ref 9)
  • Ref 71 remove wikilink to P4k (already linked in ref 29)
  • Ref 73 should just read as "Billboard Staff", since it's not a person's name
  • Ref 80 stylize PND as PartyNextDoor (per his article)
  • Ref 105 "Idolator Staff" as one word
  • Ref 151 remove wikilink to Recorded Music NZ (already linked in ref 150)
  • Ref 158, 183, 184 remove wikilink to Billboard
I can't the references are automathic. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Understood.
  • Ref 168 - Why is the word "Note:" in bold, but not in other references with notes? I suggest removing this.
Same as previous.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's unfortunate.
  • Ref 178, 182, 192, 205 remove wikilink to Official Charts Company (already linked in ref 91)
Same as previous. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay.

Other comments[edit]

  • Thanks for adding the tour photo, please add alt text. Is it possible for you to also add an audio sample? Thanks.
  • Please ping me once you've addressed all comments listed above. I will then go through a second review and hopefully pass this. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nice4What: I'm done. What sample are you thinking? I have available the samples of the five singles. Maybe the sample of 24K Magic or That's What I Like? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:20, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Either one or both, since they were high-charting singles. I'll look over the article now. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Where should I add the sample of "24K Magic"? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Music and lyrics subsection. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 20:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing process[edit]

@Nice4What: There are several  Not done parameters, more than ten. When are we going to address such? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be going back to them as I continue reviewing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nice4What: I believe I have address the issues you raised. I might have missed something. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: Just need to move one of the paragraphs from Background to Recording, and remove one of the wikilinks to "That's What I Like". Stylization for Shmuel Dolla $ign still needs to be removed, as we don't stylize Ty Dolla $ign or A$AP Rocky despite what their liner notes say. Good work on the audio file, please add to its description that 24K Magic is the lead single (with a wikilink). I made minor fixes to the Cover Art too. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nice4What: Take a look to those changes and others in the lead. It was overlink. Not sure if you want to trim something in the recording section.MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 22:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overview table[edit]

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. Several typos.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. Several citation fixes needed.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Still reviewing references.
2c. it contains no original research. Still reviewing references.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. Still reviewing references.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). Goes into too much details in certain parts of the Background.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. No issues.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No issues.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. Media is needed. Please add an audio sample and/or a free image if possible. GA album articles should not just have cover art. Relevant free image added, I would suggest still adding an audio sample.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. No images, so no comment can be made.
7. Overall assessment.
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