Talk:Akron Baptist Temple

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A fact from Akron Baptist Temple appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 August 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Akron Baptist Temple (pictured) once featured 6-foot-tall (1.8 m) red lettering that flashed?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/August. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Akron Baptist Temple.

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Evrik (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Akron Baptist Temple's 1949 sanctuary building

... that Akron Baptist Temple at one point held the largest Sunday school in North America? Source: Towns, Elmer L. (1969). The Ten Largest Sunday Schools. Baker Book House. p9. "America's Largest Sunday School Akron Baptist Temple, Akron, Ohio"
ALT1 = ... that Akron Baptist Temple repented? Source: Conn, Jennifer (May 21, 2018). "Once-segregated Akron Baptist Temple sold to The Word Church". Cleveland.com. ""It's something our church has repented of," Holland said." (referring to previous paragraph talking about segregation)
ALT2 = ... that Akron Baptist Temple featured 6-foot tall red lettering that flashed? Source: Towns, Elmer L. (1969). The Ten Largest Sunday Schools. Baker Book House. p9. "America's Largest Sunday School Akron Baptist Temple, Akron, Ohio"
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Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

New article that was created on 26 June 2022‎ is 4,165 characters and nominated three days later. No copyvios detected. Article is well-sourced. Main hook is 87 characters long (ALT1 is 35 characters; ALT2 is 74 characters); all three are under 200 character max. and are interesting. Refs 5 and 17 (verifying the main and ALT2 hooks, and ALT1, respectively) are reliable sources. QPQ done. Image is free and in the public domain. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:54, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The last part of the Pastors section needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 11:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That paragraph was added after the DYK nomination. @ElijahPepe:, it needs to be sourced, or removed. The material added by ElijahPepe are by and large significant improvements to the article. However, I'm afraid that they could also be interpreted as whitewashing the article, as the material supporting ALT2 has been removed, not to mention the corresponding controversy in the church's history. @Bloom6132:, @SL93: do you have any opinions/thoughts on this? (in any case, ALT2 can not be run with the article in its current state). Thanks all! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 22:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@78.26: aside from the fact that the Pastors section is unsourced, it also contains irrelevant biographical information that is more suitable for individual articles on the pastors (provided those individuals meet WP:N). Also, any whitewashing (e.g. removing controversy or unsavoury info that has been sourced) falls foul of WP:NPOV – the info should be restored or the nom should not run at DYK (apologies to 78.26, who was not responsible for the changes that led to this situation). —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I boldly reverted it. SL93 (talk) 22:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant information is mentioned within the article text itself, but I added a more obvious citation for it. I don't see why reverting my edit is a fair measure towards the complaints raised by 78.26 and Bloom6132. I also don't see what in the original article supports the church; I tried my best to restore everything from the original article. If the controversy stuff in the history section seems out of place, moving it out of there seems like a much more reasonable approach. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@78.26 and Bloom6132: I looked at the source, at it talks about being the largest Sunday School in the United States, not North America. Should the ALT0 hook be changed? Z1720 (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I'll leave that decision up to 78.26 as nominator. In addition to ref 20 from Cleveland.com, the Akron Beacon Journal had an article in November 2021 stating that it was the largest Sunday school in the world. Perhaps ALT0 could be qualified with "reportedly". —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the size of the Akron Baptist Temple and the time period, I wouldn't put it past the church for holding the largest Sunday school in the United States or North America, but describing the church as having "one of" the largest Sunday schools in the United States would be a much better description. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:20, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]