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Is Andrea James controversial?

Irn removed the adjective "controversial," which I had added to this article. I recognize that BLPs need to be written conservatively, but I have been reading around on the topic, and it's hard to escape the word. Many (most?) of the RS's about her (other than the ones she herself wrote) associate her with one or another controversy and her involvement in them. Many of her views have been hotly contested by experts in various fields, and many (most?) of the BLPs of involved in the issue refer to them as controversial scientists, etc. It's a little hard to swallow that she is the only non-controversial person involved. (Even her activity on wikipedia has been the subject of controversy.) I realize she was (once) a big figure on WP, but if any BLP anywhere on WP is going to be said to be controversial, it's hard to think that this one would not be. Irn (and others): What standard do you think should be used?Starburst9 (talk) 18:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't have any objection to referring to James as "controversial" as long as it is supported by reliable sources. I'm not denying that she's a controversial figure, but I don't see that reflected in the article. (One controversy does not a controversial figure make, and she's not even the center of the controversy.) The bigger problem is including it in the lead; the very first sentence of the article should not contain that sort of value judgment. -- Irn (talk) 19:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Mentioning "trans woman" in the lead

SlimVirgin, regarding this, it seems important to retain the "trans woman" aspect in the lead since not only is Andrea James proud of being known as a trans woman, she is mainly a transgender activist. With regard to being an LGBT activist, she is a transgender activist more than anything; it is a part of her WP:Notability.

That stated, given my history with James (as Jokestress), I have refrained from editing her article. So I won't be re-adding that piece. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

It's clear from the article that she's transgender because we say she took part in an all-transgender production. But I've wondered for a long time about having it in the first sentence. We don't introduce articles by saying someone is cisgender, even if they're activists in a related area. I may email the subject to ask whether she has a preference. I take your point that it's part of her notability. SarahSV (talk) 22:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't consider this as similar to "cisgender." Stating that someone is a cisgender activist is similar to stating that someone is a heterosexual activist. By contrast, being a LGBT activist is notable, which is why the lead currently notes that she is one. Same goes for Dan Savage and others. But like I noted, James is more of a transgender activist. Also take note that we do similarly in the case of ethnicity; for example, in Katherine Johnson's article, we state "African-American" in the first sentence per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context; "African-American" is a part of her WP:Notability. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Note that we don't say in the Dan Savage lead that he's a gay man. In Julie Bindel, who has spoken out against trans women, we don't say that she's cisgender. But yes, I take your point nevertheless. I'm just wary of "othering" in the first sentence. SarahSV (talk) 22:59, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure that "gay," as separate from "LGBT activist," can be argued as part of Dan Savage's notability. But Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context allows it if it is the case. I certainly don't think that Julie Bindel being cisgender is a part of her notability. As you may have figured I would note, being transgender is a part of a Caitlyn Jenner's notability, and we note in the lead that she is transgender. As for James, if we don't state "trans woman," per the argument that simply being transgender is not a part of her notability, we could state "transgender activist," which, like I noted, is more accurate than "LGBT activist" in her case. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:14, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Valid points on both sides here, but on balance I prefer SlimVirgin's version, without "trans woman". FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:26, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
And you also prefer "LGBT rights activist" as opposed to "transgender rights activist"? Regardless, something about her being a transgender rights activist should be in the lead. The lead consists of one sentence at the moment and is poor. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:35, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Let me be clearer: I prefer on balance to exclude "trans woman". I do not dispute that a more specific description of James's activism than "LGBT rights activist" would be helpful. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that, SlimVirgin. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome, and you're right, it does make more sense. SarahSV (talk) 01:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Why the use of {{Pb}} in references?

So that I can be a better editor, please clarify. Thanks. Trilotat (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Trilotat, it creates a paragraph break and allows us to bundle citations so that we don't have lots of footnotes after each sentence. SarahSV (talk) 02:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

My addition of text and source

I added "Gender studies professor Karl Surkan said ..." and what I think is a good citation. IMHO, some of the sourcing elsewhere is a bit weak. Bearian (talk) 23:00, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Bearian wrote on my talk: "I saw the cite, but it's out of context. Oh well, I tried." Hi Bearian, I can't see that it's out of context. But the point of the revert was to avoid it being in the article twice. SarahSV (talk) 23:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Artist corrects her Wikipedia bio by rebuilding it on her own site

I won't add this [1] as a press-template ("...has been mentioned by a media organization"), since WP tells me that Boing Boing is a "group-blog". But I'll put it here since it may contain something useable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Director

I'm opening a new subheading in order to garner input on the change I made earlier regarding the subject being mentioned as a director. My reasoning is as follows:

  1. The subject has no background in film studies or in directing. Her education is as a writer, for which the article mentions in the lead and elsewhere.
  2. The two short films she has directed and which are referenced, were for films whose lengths were 7 minutes and 14 minutes, a total of 21 minutes of directing time altogether. It's not my intention to disparage the work that Ms. James did on those films. They stand alone as evidence of what may be a burgeoning career in film making. A career which she has already been clearly involved in through her work producing and writing for other films. Those achievements in writing and producing should be, and currently are, mentioned as being notable "hats" that she has worn in the realm of media to date. But to say after directing 21 minutes of film that Ms. James is a director in the classical sense is a bit much. There needs to be more work done in that area before the article should give equal billing to that role as one that she is well known for.

She has had input into the art of film making, through writing, acting and producing films. So is she a filmmaker? I think she is. Conversely, she has directed two short films. So is she a Director? What do editors think? I would like very much to hear other editor's input here. Please feel free and welcome to contribute.  spintendo  23:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

We should restore director and add a filmography. She's left suggestions for edits on her website. SarahSV (talk) 03:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request, 1 June 2018

Today I came across this article and the corresponding Wikipedia editor. I often spot-check unusual categories against WP:CATV, our guideline which relates verifiability to categories placed on articles. I was flabbergasted to find that there is not a single word in the entire (well-written) article that indicates that Ms. James herself is indeed a "transgender" or "LGBT" individual. I mean, obviously she must be, given her extensive activism, but I cannot determine that for myself; it must be explicit within the article body, and, as it is said, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". So concurrently invoking WP:EGRS and WP:BLP for these sensitive items, I demand that the following categories be removed forthwith:

  1. Category:LGBT producers
  2. Category:LGBT rights activists from the United States
  3. Category:LGBT people from Indiana
  4. Category:Transgender and transsexual actresses
  5. Category:Transgender and transsexual writers
  • Alternatively, if you are able to locate a WP:RS with her self-identification thus, and place it in the article prose, then the categories may remain as placed. (No mention was made on her personal website's biography.) Thank you for your concern! 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 Not done It's referenced at the end of the first sentence. -- irn (talk) 14:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
There are two references (I assume you are referring to the lede sentence.) The first one is a dead link. The second one is offline. So, I can't verify it. But that is neither here nor there. You apparently did not understand my original request. She is labeled in the lede sentence as a "transgender rights activist" but that is not the same thing as a "transgender person". Therefore, if you are trying to say that these categories are supported and referenced in the article as it is, you are sadly mistaken. Please adhere to WP:CATV and support the categories, or if you do not wish to support them, you can simply remove them. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
L293D, someone who produced and performed in the first all-transgender cast of The Vagina Monologues is clearly transgender. SarahSV (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't seem to understand WP:CATV. Don't you have to support categories with SOMETHING IN THE ARTICLE which says they belong to that category? I am not sure how our audience is meant to infer from insinuation or association that she belongs in these categories. Could you explain why we have WP:CATV if we don't even need to document the reasons for the categories? 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I can't see any cats that aren't verifiable and, indeed, verified. SarahSV (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Second request

Discussion at: Wikipedia talk:Categorization#What does WP:CATV really mean? This article is in violation of WP:CATV and WP:EGRS. Please remove the following categories:

  1. Category:LGBT producers
  2. Category:LGBT rights activists from the United States
  3. Category:LGBT people from Indiana
  4. Category:Transgender and transsexual actresses
  5. Category:Transgender and transsexual writers
  • The article excludes explicit mention of her status, by design, and therefore has no right to list these categories. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 21:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    • Looking at the above conversation, and our policy, I think we have to go in one of two ways... either a) more clearly support the categorization by having the article state outright (with citation) that James is transgender (and no, the fact that she was in a play is NOT enough)...or b) remove the cats. My preference would be the first option. Blueboar (talk) 22:19, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Just to clarify, Blueboar, that I thanked you for this edit by mistake because I misread it. SarahSV (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

It cannot be inferred from being cast in an all-transgender play that someone is transgender? In case not, there are sources such as "This Trans Pioneer Has Been Fighting For The Trans Community For Decades". SarahSV (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Pinging Flyer22 Reborn and FreeKnowledgeCreator, who were part of the previous discussion. Do we really need to say "is a trans woman"? SarahSV (talk) 22:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done The categories which were not substantiated by clear evidence existing in the article as of 24-JUN-2018 have been removed. Additionally, the article mentions her as directing two short films, giving the subject a total of 21 minutes of directing credit. I believe that to be an extremely minimal detail that WP:BALASP states should not be given prominence over more substantial details (the claim was placed in the lead.) Thus I have removed the claim to being a "director". I would have added the category List of short film directors but this category does not apparently exist yet.  spintendo  22:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I would have thought that most of the categories that were recently removed from the article - Category:LGBT producers, Category:LGBT people from Indiana, Category:Transgender and transsexual actresses, and Category:Transgender and transsexual writers - did apply, although I haven't followed this article closely and don't feel that strongly about it. If the concern with those categories is that James cannot be shown to be transgender or transsexual, then that simply seems strange, as it is something James is well known for. I don't know enough about James to have an opinion about whether the "director" categories apply. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

It is not a question of whether they apply or not, or whether they are reliably sourced. The editors of this article intentionally decided by consensus to omit James' self-identification entirely from the article. By that decision they are also required to remove the relevant categories, because by WP:CATV, categories must be supported by prose in the article that is verifiable. It has nothing to do about whether she is "well known" for it, although it seems absurd to me that something so well-known should be intentionally excluded from the article. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
What it states is, "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." Again, while I don't feel strongly about it, I would have thought that the information in the article does make the basis for the categories sufficiently clear. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Andrea James is a well-known trans woman. Practically every source states or implies it. SarahSV (talk) 23:35, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Are you invoking WP:BLUE here? We are telling you it doesn't matter if it is verifiable and sourced. You need to support it in the article per WP:CATV and you have chosen to remove support for it. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. does not mean that we have to state explicitly that she's trans. Otherwise, all of the "women [x]" or "child [x]" categories would have a similar burden, which they clearly don't. Since James being trans is neither contested nor controversial, I see no problem including those categories without mentioning it explicitly in the article. That said, I'm not opposed to mentioning it in the article; I just don't think that not explicitly mentioning it in the article is a valid reason to exclude it. Further, the way you are repeatedly bringing up a previous decision with which you clearly disagree seems really pointy to me. -- irn (talk) 00:58, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
WP:CATV says: "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." What that sentence means is don't add a category for which there is no support in the article. To follow Irn's point, we don't have to say in articles explicitly that someone is male or female before we add them to the corresponding categories. Imagine: "Donald Trump is an American man who is currently President of the United States."
Blueboar, could you elaborate on your point, please? It seems clear that these categories are fully and repeatedly supported, or certainly the bulk of them are; if people agree that director should be removed, that's a separate issue. SarahSV (talk) 01:52, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Sarah... I don’t agree that the cats are supported enough. I think we really do need to state outright, with citation, that she is trans. Do that and the cats will be OK. Blueboar (talk) 10:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I feel the same way I felt before: Talk:Andrea James/Archive 3#Mentioning "trans woman" in the lead. I was fine with "trans woman" being in the lead because it's part of her notability. We compromised by going with "transgender rights activist" instead. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

I would think that it would be best to note both... after all, one can be notable for being transgender without being an activist - and one can be notable as an activist without being transgender. Blueboar (talk) 18:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Flyer22 Reborn and Blueboar, I've been looking around at other trans biographies, and this has the potential to affect a large number of articles. Can you propose which words you will use and where?
Also, can you address the point that we don't do this in other biographies? We don't have to write "Margaret Atwood is a woman and a critic" before adding her to Category:Women critics. Or that Jeremy Corbyn is a man and a feminist, before adding him to Category:Male feminists. SarahSV (talk) 20:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Well... personally, I would do away with Category:Women critics all together, and merge it into the broader Category:Critics... I find it patronizing and offensive to single out successful women by noting their gender as well as their profession (as if it were odd that a woman could be a critic) Note... I would make an exception for historical figures who broke gender barriers ... being one of the first women to in a previously male only field IS notable, but I would create Category:Women who broke gender barriers for that.
This said... I understand that we are unlikely to do away with cats like that... So... to be consistent... yes, if we are going to add Category:Women critics to an article, I think that we should explicitly state that the subject is a) notable as a woman, and b) notable as a critic. Blueboar (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Blueboar, please take the point of the example rather than focusing on its particulars. Are you saying that in every single biography we must now spell out that "A is a woman" and "B is a man", before we can add the articles to any "female this" or "male that" categories? SarahSV (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I agree with SlimVirgin that the categories should be restored. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Sarah... if gender is significant enough to specify in categorization, then it is significant enough to specify in the article. So, yes... in those situations... I think you do need to specify gender in the article.
And the reverse is true... if gender isn’t significant enough to be specified in the article, it isn’t significant enough to be specified in categorization... use the gender generic parent category. Blueboar (talk) 00:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Blueboar, if that's the principle you want to apply here, you will need to seek site-wide consensus for it, because it has the potential to change all our biographies. We would have to add to the Trump biography: "Donald Trump is an American man who is President of the United States", before we could add him to any male category (ignoring for now that we might have to add "cisgender man"). If you were to add that sentence or remove the cats, you would be reverted; ditto if you were to add to Margaret Atwood that "Margaret Atwood is a female novelist" or try to remove female cats because the article doesn't specify female. SarahSV (talk) 00:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
No, we don’t need to specify Trump’s gender because we don’t categorize him with gender specific categories. Apparently, his gender is not what makes him notable. As for Atwood, most of her cats are also gender-generic (and I would remove the few gender specific ones as being over-categorization). Blueboar (talk) 01:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
The categorization of sex is an interesting case. Because I feel we would have a difficult time finding WP:RS stating definitively that current or historical figures are male or female. However, I feel that an operative principle here would be the preferred pronouns. If RS are found to unanimously refer to a man as "he, him, his", then we can safely assume maleness. And I would argue that this is explicit enough to satisfy WP:CATV without specifying "Donald Trump is a [...] man." But yes, the question of sex is beyond CATV and into WP:EGRS territory, where we must consider WP:DEFINING and notability and self-identification and other delicate moving parts. But I would contend that there is widespread consensus for sorting people into sex-based categories with the implicit identification I have discussed. And yes, we would probably be regarded as bizarre if we began to describe people as you say. But perhaps that is a logical conclusion of these guidelines and the current state of gender ideology. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 01:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
For me it's just as bizarre to be forced to say "is a trans woman", when it's obvious from the content, sources and categories. It feels we though we immediately have to "other" her, rather than allow the text to unfold as we do with everyone else. The transgender bios I've looked through so far (where the subject wasn't notable before transitioning) do not say "is a trans woman". (I'm reluctant to give examples in case you remove the cats.) WP:CATV simply says: "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." I think you're forcing on that an interpretation that requires us to spell it out. SarahSV (talk) 03:31, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
By the way, just to be clear, I regard these two issues as separable: (1) Should we say "is a trans woman"? I would prefer not, but if there's consensus, then fine; and (2) Must the trans cats be removed if we don't spell it out? No, I'm completely against that; where it's otherwise clear and verifiable in the article, it would be wikilawyering to interpret the guideline that way. SarahSV (talk) 03:40, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
WP:EGRS is very clear and very strict on this. It seems that you want to say it and not-say-it at the same time: purposely keeping her self-identification out of the article, but including it anyway. The cats and the prose and the sources go together, they are not a la carte. And yes, I've been cleaning out selected EGRS cats very gradually: every single time I look at one, it's 90% full of articles that fail. So clearly there is a systemic problem of applying cats in contravention of WP:V that we need to look at, and your willingness to hide candidate articles from collaborative editing and scrutiny is dismaying. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:41, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

But it's not collaborative editing; it's you imposing a super-strict interpretation of certain words in a guideline (note: guideline). I started to write out all the things in the article that make clear she's transgender, but there are too many and it felt like a waste of time. You can all see them for yourselves. If you really are finding that 90 percent of articles don't agree with your interpretation of the guideline, maybe you should stop. SarahSV (talk) 03:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

It's not "super-strict", it's just what the guideline says--and here we go denigrating it as a "guideline" and not a "policy", therefore it is more breakable. And to be fair, it's not limited to EGRS categories, there are plenty of cats I've noticed that just pop out at me because they're completely out of place. Maybe the support used to be in the article and it was removed. But if the support isn't there then the cats can't be there. It's about consistency and it's about verifiability which is a core policy of Wikipedia. It's because of WP:V that we have EGRS and CATV. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
"Maybe you should stop" - no, I have widespread WP:CONSENSUS for my edits. You here on this talk page are a tiny minority disputing this. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I helped to write WP:V years ago, and I can tell you that it's about material "challenged or likely to be challenged". No one could reasonably challenge that Andrea James is trans given the content and sources (you don't even have to read the sources; just look at the headlines). Cats shouldn't be removed just because the issue in question isn't presented quite as you'd prefer. SarahSV (talk) 05:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Again, other than what is seen stated by me at Talk:Andrea James/Archive 3#Mentioning "trans woman" in the lead, where I gave examples of following Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Context, I don't have anything else to state on the matter. I already offered my opinion on the lead aspect and compromised. Whether it's in the lead or lower in the article, that she is a trans woman should be made clear since it's a part of her notability and it is not something she is trying to hide. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm happy to go along with whatever the best practice is. We should follow the advice of the people who regularly work in this area. One of the editors wanting to make the change should ask (in a neutral way) at Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT whether they've developed guidance about situations like this: bios where the transgender subject wasn't notable before transitioning but has become notable as a transgender person or activist, and how best to word it. Additionally (and this is a separate issue), they should be asked whether they support removal of cats where "is transgender" or "is a trans woman/trans man" is not in the article, but where it's nevertheless obvious from the content and sources that the subject is a member of the transgender community. SarahSV (talk) 20:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I just don't see why it should be heavily implied that James is transgender...but not outright stated that she is. She is open -- completely open -- about being transgender, just like she was on her Jokestress Wikipedia user page. She is a notable voice in the trans community, in part because she herself is transgender. That stated, I'm sure that every reader will conclude that she is transgender by the "transgender rights activist" statement in the lead and by what the rest of the article states, and going by the categories if one looks at them. For the record, I do believe she should remain in the transgender categories. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
It was never a question of not being open about it, but of whether it needed to be laboured and how to write it. I've added "After college, James worked in advertising, first for several years at the Chicago Tribune, then for a decade at DDB Chicago. It was while working there that she transitioned." Plus source. Andrea suggested something similar on her website (see section below). SarahSV (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
That's better. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. It was Andrea's idea to do it that way, and it seems to satisfy all concerns. SarahSV (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Dreger tried to prevent James from speaking at Northwestern?

"Dreger tried to stop James from speaking at the campus about the controversy." I can't find support in the sources given for this statement. Can anyone point me to a passage that supports it? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Sources needing improvement/replacement.

I have some concerns about the quality of RSs here, including excessive reliance of SPSs and non-RS sources, such as blogs and press releases. Foremost among this is the SPSs: Nearly half of the mainpage sources are the subject herself. For inconsequential pieces of bio, that's one thing, but the subject is a professional publicist and (controversial?) activist repeatedly quoted for self-serving claims about her own accomplishments to outlets not engaging in fact-checking. The way these are cited makes them seems like they are comments from third parties, obscuring that they are verbatim interviews with the BLP. These cites include:

...is the transcript of an interview with James (not an article about her).

Written this way, the cite hides that James is the actual author of the post, appearing in Jardin's blog.
  • Bashour, Mounir and James, Andrea (July 2, 2009). "Laser Hair Removal", eMedicine.

James' own post.
  • Addams, Calpernia; James, Andrea (July 22, 2003). "Transformations". The Advocate, p. 12.

James' own post.
  • Ensler, Eve, et al. (2004). "V-Day LA: Until the violence stops". Gender Media Foundation.

The "Gender Media Foundation" is the company AJ created.

Written this way, the citation hides that this is a podcast interview with James, not coverage of her.

James' own post.
  • James, Andrea (January 25, 2008). "Life Without Puberty", The Advocate.

This is an essay by James about hormones; however, she is not an expert for such medical information.

James' own post.

Her bio of herself on a blogsite.
  • James, Andrea (June 21, 2008). "Fair Comment, Foul Play: Populist Responses to J. Michael Bailey's Exploitative Controversies", paper presented to the National Women's Studies Association(courtesy link Archived 2016-07-31 at the Wayback Machine), pp. 3–4.

Presentation she gave.
  • "The Bailey Brouhaha", National Women's Association Conference, courtesy of YouTube, June 21, 2008.

Presentation she gave.
  • James, Andrea (September 2004). "A defining moment in our history: Examining disease models of gender identity" Archived 2017-10-01 at the Wayback Machine, tsroadmap.com.

Another one of her own blogs.

Other issues include that the Lesbian Alliance is a blog, not an RS:

and that school newspapers and press releases do not seem to be RSs:

Any help in locating upgrades/replacements would be appreciated.Banglange (talk) 21:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

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