Talk:Angels Fall First

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Elvenpath[edit]

As far as I understand, Tarja sings "Elvenbath and not "Elvenpath". How funny may this sound to native english speaking people? In the early live versions of the song she repeats the mistake in the intro of the song. Is it ever corrected? Is it worth a footnote in the article? Hybscher (talk) 07:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's only her accent. Technically: She does not aspirate the [p], which is typical of native Finnish speakers, and especially in the voiced environment ([n] and [a] are both voiced) sounds like a voiced stop, i. e. a [b] to native English speakers (or speakers of languages with the same kind of distinction between [p] and [b], for example Standard German, in general). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Totally incorrect[edit]

"In 2006 (before being kicked out of the band) then vocalist Tarja Turunen expressed that she'd like to start playing a few songs from AFF again." She was kicked out in 2005. I think (though I may be wrong) that this is referring to part of A Day Before Tomorrow (about 42:55) where she says she'd like to sing songs from their "first albums." For now, I've simply added a [dubious – discuss]. Twilight Realm (talk) 03:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are right that this is referring to the documentary. The year has been corrected in the meanwhile, though. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:59, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Translations[edit]

Could someone provide a translation for the titles of the portions of Lappi with non-English names? Kouban (talk) 15:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erämaajärvi means "wilderness lake" and etiäinen is explained in its own article. Strange though, Lappi is now treated as a single track in the article even though there are four named tracks on the album. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whose voice read the LOTR excerpts in Elvenpath?[edit]

In the song Elvenpath, a couple of excerpts from the Lord of the Rings are read. Whose voice read them? Axeman (talk) 03:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They're actually sound snippets from The Lord of the Rings (1978 film), but I cannot find any information about the narrator. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 05:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"All songs written by Tuomas"?[edit]

I'm not questionning the fact that Tuomas Holopainen did write all of the songs on this album, that stands to reason, but the sleeve credits on this particular album state (and I quote): "All music by Nightwish. Lyrics by Tuomas." Being as it is that this is the case, shouldn't it at least be noted somewhere on the page that the album credits the composition of the music to all four members of Nightwish featured on this album, even if the writing credit with the tracklisting is given to Tuomas Holopainen alone? Does anyone have any knowledge as to why the credits refer to the entire band as composers on this album? Kind regards, Burbridge92 (talk) 16:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's because they were not serious about making music for a living yet (at least they did not attempt it with this band) and money played no big role to Tuomas or any other band member (hell, no-one expected that this would last, it was just a fun side project, they were barely out of their teens, their audiences did not take them seriously, and Tarja was still planning a career as a classical singer, rather than a rock singer), and because counter to what you take as fact, not all the music was written by Tuomas and they were not able, or did not care, to sort things out meticulously. From the book we know that the vocal melodies in the demo were ad-libbed by Tarja, and since Etiäinen was on the demo, but ended up as part of Lappi, it is certain that this one is not written by him in its entirety. The impression I get from the descriptions is that composition at the time was a largely spontaneous, collective process anyway (even if Tuomas was the main driving force and had a general idea of the songs in mind), with Emppu contributing most of the guitar lines, Jukka adding the drums, and Tarja perhaps also improvising here and there (as she later did on "The Siren", where, when asked by Tuomas to come up with something suitable, she thought of the short, lyricless Bulgarian/Karelian-voice part – the aa-yayaa-yayaa part – that she apparently did not think was important enough), while on occasion, members may have helped with or added an idea to instruments that they did not play, or even outside people (friends of the band) might have contributed ideas. Therefore it is understandable that collective credits were the obvious solution. Even later, you should never trust the credits too much; it just happens that band members or friends of the band contribute ideas and are OK with not being credited. (Or, as has happened in other bands, members contribute ideas but are not credited because the mastermind does not want to credit them, and the others members cannot do anything against it because the mastermind has all the power and the members were not permanent anyway. Don't be naive: successful musicians are often arseholes when they can get away with it.) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 21:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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