Talk:Apostolic Christian Church

I am Apostolic. We are not required to have head coverings. I don’t know of any apostolic church that requires head coverings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.252.201.189 (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Reverting edits

-I don't know who is in here reverting every edit back so this page is merely propaganda for the church rather than an honest reflection. Its not surprising but still sickening. Please at least state your case before you just revert .... Maybe some stuff is too ACCA specific and should be ported to their page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haxsaw (talk • contribs) 13:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Traditions

-When a member gets punished for sitting on the wrong side of the aisle, that is an elevation from tradition to commandment. -And, this denomination elevates its narrow interpretation of Biblical texts to be the only Godly interpretation. Therefore, its interpretation of the Bible is in itself a tradition, because it deviates so drastically from usual interpretations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.212.220 (talk) 01:58, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Elders Among Us

76.235.138.89 is quite obviously either an ACCA elder or an apologist for elders, seeing that they found it necessary to cover up the fact that Congressman Mark Souder was an ACCA member

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Souder&diff=prev&oldid=362812152

More Reverts

Added back this line :

"However, members who deviate from these traditions are often shunned, disciplined, and in some cases excommunicated."

it was removed: 21:30, 10 August 2010 24.14.228.101

However, no justification was given for deleting it and it is generally an accepted fact that this occurs throughout the denomination, so I have added it back.

Questions

Couple questions and a comment here.

First a comment, looking at this page, I think you are right, it might be too ACCA specific. Within the church ACC and ACCA are used a lot interchangeably. My guess is that someone is thinking this way. Maybe we need to try to use this page for just the "big picture" of all the branches. Second item is a question, what is this person talking about here "When a member gets punished for sitting on the wrong side of the aisle, that is an elevation from tradition to commandment." Please explain. Third, for "Elders Among Us," I am not seeing any cover up here ("not sure why it is an elder or an apologist of elders"). With the link provided, it makes no note that Mark Souder was a ACCA member. He just grew up in the church according to the link. If this is the case (he was not a member), this would not be abnormal. Example being Aaron Schock who is a congressman who grew up ACCA but is not a member. Please correct me if I am wrong. Scitea (talk) 02:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)scitea

Poitics within the Apostolic Christian Church

I read with interest the comments regarding the upbringing of the two congressmen. I was raised in the Apostolic Christian Church although I have not attended a regular service in at least a decade. My parents and one sister are still members of the ACCA. When I was a regular attendee of the ACCA I decided to run for the office of state representative in Missouri. I was successful in my election and was subsequently told by the elder of the church I attended I could never become a member if I chose to remain an elected official. This was the beginning of my leaving the church. While I still have great respect for some of the members of the ACCA, I now see it is a demonination rooted in the teachings of man rather than the teachings of our Lord and Saviour. It is a congregation which depends on total control of its members. When I was a teenager I was told it would be better for me to attend no church than to attend one other than the ACCA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.109.32 (talk) 03:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

This comment is really not relevant to the article. These section is for discussions about the article, and not discussions about the church. Having said so, you can hardly state fairly, "It was the beginning of my leaving the church . . . " if you were never a member. In fact the ACCA is an extremely liberal (by comparison with the rest of the movement) example of a conservative Anabaptist denomination. The teaching that a Christian cannot hold office in a worldly kingdom vs. the kingdom of heaven is common to all such denominations, and is a reflection of their beliefs concerning the doctrine of the two kingdoms. It has nothing to do with exercising "total control over its members." If the ACCA exercises "total control over its members," please explain how it is that so many are owning televisions, sisters cutting hair and wearing pants, and other such violations of order? If the church did excercise total control of the members, or better yet if the member exercised self-control and spiritual submission, it would be a much better denomination.Brechbill123 (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

I believe the above comments made by an obvious ACCA apologist make my case much better than I ever could. For someone to actually believe that a denomination would be much better if a church exercised total control over its members is frightening. The situations you mention such as members owning televisions, sisters cutting their hair and wearing pants also make my case. These 'sins' (in the eyes of old order ACCA) have deeply divided the church. The fact these acts are even considered to be sinful speak volumes to the erroneous beliefs of the ACCA. Other 'sins' include sports (participation and as a spectator), movies (even G-rated), attending another church (my parents would not even attend their grandsons' graduation recognitions), and wearing jewelry. Some are still clinging to these beliefs to the point where the elder of the Lamar, Missouri church would not allow the youth there to congregate with youth from certain other ACCA churches because he believed they would be led astray. I have attended a number of churches of other denominations. At each church I was warmly welcomed and invited to worship as I saw fit. What a contrast this was in comparison to growing up in the ACCA. All I heard was what was not allowed and straying from the teachings of the church leadership would lead to an eternity in hell. The good news is the ACCA is losing membership in droves as their extremist views are challenged by members willing to read the bible and make decisions regarding their salvation on their own instead of relying on the flawed teachings of man. I am not tech savvy enough to figure out how to sign this page, but I do not want to appear to be hiding behind anonymity. My name is Bubs Hohulin and I am from Lamar, Missouri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.97.61 (talk) 04:36, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Nazarenes in Serbia or former Yugslavia?

Do Nazarenes in Serbia and former Yugoslavia have connections with the Apostolic Christian Church? I try to locate a Church most close to Nazarenes of Serbia. It looks like that The Nazarene Christian Congregation is perhaps the Church most close to Nazarnes. Are they also located in other parts of Europe, as in Scandinavia? If not, which Church is most close to the Apostolic Christian Church in Scandinavia? Sorry for using Wikipedia for this kind of enquiry. Theophilius (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Elder = Bishop

Added this line to clarify the description of Elder: The office of elder is seen as equivalent to that of a bishop as described in the epistles of 1 Timothy and Titus. Barjeconiah (talk) 02:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Citations?

This article seems biased and needs citations. --24.171.23.175 (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It could use more citations like most articles. However I think the excessive use of bullet points should be fixed first. I removed a bullet point form an introduction paragraph. Paragraphs don't need bullets, lists do. -- J^T_sams (talk) 15:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Apostolic Christian Church/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

This page needs to be split between the Nazarean and American denominations. Obviously there is a lot of common history, but it becomes very confusing and tedious to describe the doctrine and practices on a page that ostensibly describes two different churches. It's tedious because the conscienscious editors have to continually explain that they are talking about one or the other. It's confusing because most editors don't even bother to do so - for example, the description of the order of services is completely inapplicable to the Nazarean church, but the reader would have no way of knowing that.

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