Talk:Assurance (theology)

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Bias[edit]

The Resources for this page reveal one person's COMPLETE bias against the concept of Assurance and Eternal Security. (posted by an anonymous user)

Not a bias against assurance (in which I wholeheartedly believe), but a POV against eternal security. Yes. Your point being what? Are other concepts of assurance not fair game in this article? KHM03 19:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what? Did Augustine of Hippo believe in this or not?[edit]

The only quote about AoH here, given with no explanation, is:

"Since then by lying eternal life is lost, never for any man's temporal life must a lie be told."

What does this have to do with the subject? Anyone? Marnanel (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to know the same thing. If there's a "see also" in a section, fine ... but a short summary is still needed. -Phoenixrod (talk) 06:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And besides the quote is in need of explanation. When St. Augustine says that "by lying eternal life is lost", what he means is that lying is a mortal sin, and as such makes the sinner lose the eternal life within him, viz. grace, and in itself the prospect of eternal life. A modern reader would understand that once lied, you are certainly damned to Hell (viz. that in addition the sin were unforgivable) which is not what he said. And then there's also the point that according to the very general opinion of theologians if nothing less, while any (real) lie is a sin, only the malicious one is mortal; though I do not now know whether in this they corrected St. Augustine or only explained his real meaning further which does not completely shine forth in this specific quote.--77.4.90.46 (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate Content - Removal[edit]

The Section on Comparison Between Protestants is a duplicate of identical content found in the article on Perseverance of the Saints. It belongs there and not here. Perseverance of the Saints and Assurance are two different topics.Itohacs 17:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Itohacs (talk • contribs)