Talk:Auster
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– There are ten entries listed upon the Auster (disambiguation) page, including a list of six people under Auster (surname). When "Auster" is submitted to a search engine, most results go to Paul Auster, not to the airplane manufacturer from eighty years ago. The dab page form is similar to "Ford", which does not redirect to the Ford Motor Company or to famous people, such as Gerald Ford, Henry Ford or John Ford. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems eminently reasonable, yes, it's unlikely the average reader associates the term so strongly with the company. We could identify 22 clicks on the hatnote last month (WikiNav for Auster), which isn't nominally a lot compared to 1.2k incoming 389 outgoing, but that's mostly the organic traffic for the company that can be assumed to be shifting away quickly after the move. (Support) Interestingly, from there we see 19 clicks on Auster wind (WikiNav for the disambiguation page) which is listed last on the disambiguation page, yet the latter is also mentioned in the hatnote, where we don't detect any such thing. This for me is a further indication of suboptimal navigation layout, and we should experiment with this change even if we're unsure of it. --Joy (talk) 08:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support per views[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. The aircraft manufacturer (second most popular by pageviews) is the primary topic by long-term significance, having manufactured the aircraft model Taylorcraft Auster (first most popular by pageviews). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)- @Shhhnotsoloud these are not actually the first and second most popular because the current phrasing of WP:NAMELIST relegates links to people to a separate list which obfuscates navigation; all-time page views for the first list show these two topics attracting the average interest of 82 and 46 readers per day, resp., while all-time page views for the second list show Paul Auster and Sophie Auster get 561 and 85 readers per day, respectively. Monthly view of these statistics shows these kinds of ratios are fairly reliably present through time, so this shouldn't be a fluke of WP:Recentism. The compendium of knowledge about topics named Auster shouldn't make it such a chore to navigate to this biography of a writer with obvious long-term significance and usage. --Joy (talk) 16:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ouch, yes, you're right @Joy:, see [2]. I think we're better off merging Auster (surname) into the disambiguation page (since there are only 6 entries, and nothing substantive about the name) and I support the move. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Shhhnotsoloud these are not actually the first and second most popular because the current phrasing of WP:NAMELIST relegates links to people to a separate list which obfuscates navigation; all-time page views for the first list show these two topics attracting the average interest of 82 and 46 readers per day, resp., while all-time page views for the second list show Paul Auster and Sophie Auster get 561 and 85 readers per day, respectively. Monthly view of these statistics shows these kinds of ratios are fairly reliably present through time, so this shouldn't be a fluke of WP:Recentism. The compendium of knowledge about topics named Auster shouldn't make it such a chore to navigate to this biography of a writer with obvious long-term significance and usage. --Joy (talk) 16:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)