Talk:BA-27

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Old talk[edit]

Strange, I see some kind of phobia or hysteria here. I added a decent picture showing the later version of BA-27, with details of the side of the wielded(!) hull visible. And that's when two guys come in, find a much better pic of the earlier version (bolted hull) and replace the old one with the new one instead of leaving both of them in the article. The only reason so far was stated by Irpen ([1]) as in no way this photo illustrates the subject of the article, please don't litter unrelated articles with images of Polish suffering. Now let me explain, this picture does not feature Polish suffering, at least I don't see it there. What I see is some soldiers and the side of the ~~BA-27~~, with the hatch and the periscope clearly visible. If that's irrelevant to this article then hardly any picture is. Or perhaps someone wants to argue that all pictures of Soviet or German AFV's are somehow related to Polish suffering and as such should be removed? Nonsense. I'm putting the picture back unless there is some more serious reason given. Halibu tt 12:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. The picture was removed due to some hysteria or conspiracy fears, but it should indeed be removed as... I suspect the armoured car is not the BA-27 at all. It rather seems like FAI car. Halibu tt 12:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And who is talking about hysteria? Anyway, check histories and talks, inclusing the image's own talk. Everything is there. --Irpen 22:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your own please don't litter unrelated articles with images of Polish suffering seems instructive here. Polish suffering? Come on... Halibu tt 13:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BA-27M created in 1937???[edit]

All English sources say BA-27M was created in 1931. However Russian Wikipedia BA-27 page (via google translator) goes into great details about the vehicle history, stating it appeared in 1937. Is this bogus or what? --Kubanczyk (talk) 16:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think the Russian Wikipedia is mistaken. I checked in Kinnear's Russian Armored Cars 1930-2000, and it states 1931. In addition, this RKKA site which I believe almost always uses Russian sources also states 1931. Elfalem (talk) 09:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be a common mistake, probably originated in some old source and later thoughtlessly copied by zillions of other authors, just like with the JS-3 allegedly used in WWII. In the more recent M.Kolomiyets' Story of Russian Armored Car 1925—1945 (which is amongst most reliable sources on the subject) it is not only stated that the BA-27M was built in 1937—1938, but also a detailed production timeline is given. And i wouldn't comment on what is the better use for pretty much all English sources on Russian AFVs. --Saə (talk) 14:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any secondary sources? Could you please update the article (along with BA-I)? --Kubanczyk (talk) 21:01, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Creation date and when it finally arrived in the Soviet inventory are two different things. After creation, there is a developmental period when problems are found and overcome, thus the delay in issuance. Probably both years are respectively correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.249.246 (talk) 16:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]