Talk:Božidar Kalmeta

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Political career POV[edit]

The section attempts to construct a case against Kalmeta using guilt by association. While he is no doubt responsible (in a formal sense) for wrongdoings in his ministry, that doesn't mean that he's involved in them. The media are free to insinuate, while an encyclopedia is not.

The most recent (Jan 2011) affair - overcharging for highway construction to the tune of €100 million - appears to be by far the most damaging for him, because one cannot reasonably deny responsibility, given the magnitude of the case. Other affairs should be put in perspective. GregorB (talk) 12:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I wouldn't mind having a dedicated section for all the affairs that the media tried to pin on him, as long as the wordings are clear and supported by references (e.g. we should include affairs for which he was deemed responsible by the public, as long as we provide some context and explain if there were any consequences). That said, the thing about his driver seems rather marginal for Kalmeta's biography and probably violates WP:UNDUE. The bit where he fired several managers at Croatian Railways seems pretty irrelevant (Kalmeta was not implicated directly in the embezzlements and we usually don't list people who were fired by ministers in said minister's biographies). Also, phrases such as "various newspapers" and "refuses to take any kind of responsibility" sound weasel-ish, and the sentence "Majority of Croatian public and media do not agree with him." (without a single reference to support it) is outright nonsense. Btw, we really ought to create an article about the whole Fimi media thing and link politicians' articles to it, as we can expect a lot of their articles to be bombarded with media hearsay. Timbouctou 14:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, some of that editorializing clearly must go. I remember fixing some of that, but a while ago, and I was lenient. With the up-to-date BLP policy, it's clearly on its way out.
The driver affair is different, however. The whole premise of the driver case was that he peddled some sort of political influence for personal gain. There is no other apparent source of that influence other than being the minister's driver. If a source states unequivocally that the driver was a master con artist who had no actual influence, but that it was just a perception, then the reference to the case can be reduced to that. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the article that constructs anything, it just shows the ample coverage of the existing construct in reasonably reliable sources. The coverage of all this has always been significant, it has only gotten even more significant as time went on. The seemingly endless controversy does not fail to exist in the real world (IOW it's verifiable), and it is notable because he's a government official. We can clearly argue about the phrasing, but the narrative is already set by the data. There's a problem with undue weight as it stands, but that's not because the existing content lacks weight, but because the many non-controversial things he was involved with - are missing. Feel free to add them. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I do not object to sources and their reliability, and of course there is a real-world controversy here. It's just that, from the way these facts are assembled (and garnered with some original observations, as noted by Timbouctou), the reader seems to be railroaded towards a conclusion that "where there's smoke, there's fire". Since this article looks bound to receive more attention soon, this is a chance to rewrite it a bit, rather than continue in the same vein, and that's why I tagged it.
A "top-level article" would certainly be in order, but I feel it's a bit too early. There are multiple affairs that seem to be connected, but this is still not fully certain. GregorB (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We can clean that up, definitely. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the paragraph on his driver. I believe one can reasonably assume that Kalmeta can't be responsible for what his driver does outside of his official capacity, and there is no indication to the contrary (i.e. if his driver or anyone else involved implicated Kalmeta in any way, it would have been a different story then). I believe that this will at least alleviate the potential WP:BLP problem described in our previous discussion. I'll take another look in a day or two, and reconsider the NPOV tag. It's arguably more like {{undue}} than {{POV}} now. GregorB (talk) 13:07, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the POV tag. The section is generally fine now. Arguably one might still detect a slight WP:UNDUE problem, but Kalmeta's mandate could legitimately be almost equated with a large number of corruption affairs, amply documented by reliable sources. GregorB (talk) 10:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Mayor of Zadar[edit]

Božidar Kalmeta seems to be mayor of Zadar. Is there any reason why this is not mentioned in his own page? See hr:Zadar for some information. Thanks in advance, RonnieV (talk) 16:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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