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Credibility[edit]

I feel like there should be a part about the credibility of the whole story. Apart from the sense that the story is just incompatible with common sense, a lot of people point out that pictures of an allegedly "younger Bobi" show a dog with different markings. Portuguese government's pet database is not a credible source as they very likely do not certify any pet ages (I mean I don't know these directly, but these pet databases typically just put owner reported ages of pets).

Guinness World Record itself also is probably not the pineapple of credibility, given their business model.

Every other source is just citing Guiness World Records.

So yeah, the whole thing looks pretty bogus, and I feel like the article should point this out. 2A02:810A:8E3F:FB7C:FB0E:79C3:CF7B:C398 (talk) 16:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the sourcing is not great. All cited sources reference the same two authorities: Bobi's owners and the "Portuguese government's pet database". Clearly the former cannot be considered unbiased.

Has anyone been able to access the database itself? Is it publicly available?

There's an inherent contradiction in the story. Supposedly Bobi was hidden from his owner at birth, yet he was registered with the database. Who registered him and when?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Exceptional_claims_require_exceptional_sources Durutticolumn (talk) 08:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The database is available at https://www.siac.vet/, but one can only verify if an animal is registered in the database by microchip/transponder number, with no further info being released. — Mignof (talk | contribs) 15:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, all of the sources are either from Guinness World Records or cites Guinness World Records. For now, i’ll add Template:One Source GainingAccess (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The puppy was obviously registered after it survived the initial culling of its siblings. That was just a couple of weeks – after it opened its eyes, it was safe and accepted by the head of the family. GWR checked the authenticity and lots of respectable sources accept this so it's not our job to second-guess them. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, as a veterinarian I would like to point out that it is extremely doubtable the age of that dog is actually true and there is a good video by a veterinary neurologist putting together all the aspects of how the 'certified' part is very much in doubt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fABNkfHETxc I agree with the points he makes and would really like to bring the attention of Wikipedia editors to the issue of credibility - there is NO credible verification of the age of this dog beyond the owner's statement. 2001:7D0:8897:5000:54C6:CBE3:7215:CC22 (talk) 12:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...also, if anyone doesn't have the patience to watch the video - the Portugues database was actually contacted and the dog was first registered there in 2022 (!) with an age reported by the owner. 2001:7D0:8897:5000:54C6:CBE3:7215:CC22 (talk) 13:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing is the claim that the dog is a male "purebred" Rafeiro do Alentejo. This breed has been accepted by the French Fédération Cynologique Internationale since 1954 and has a very straightforward morphology. The general appearance of Bobi, however, does not match its common build and coat, as a simple online search can clearly show. ChicoB83 (talk) 12:19, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Claims about genuine age of Bobi, world’s oldest dog, to be investigated | Portugal | The Guardian

Bobi tinha mesmo 31 anos? Dúvidas de veterinários levam Guiness a investigar - SIC Notícias — Mignof (talk | contribs) 15:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the dog age should be in question. There is an alleged picture of the dog, from 1999, where its paws appear of a different colour. Its possibly an exageration from the owner, and the dog was possibly old but younger than 31. However, I would like to point that the official certified Guinness record is from a Australian shepherd dog who lived until 29 years old (1910-1939). So, its not really impossible for a dog to reach a similar age or even to surpasse it. In this specific case however I agree there are many doubts. For example I haven't seen anywhere a collection of photographs that would prove this dog had been around for such a long time.Mistico Dois (talk) 14:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]