Talk:Bowing in the Eastern Orthodox Church

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Old talk[edit]

Looks somewhat Old believer sympathetic, could use some neutrality work. (Don't take this as discouragement, is def. very useful info.) Also, is this the best title/should it be merged somewhere?--Samuel J. Howard 19:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it seems to me to be a mixed bag. My chief hesitation is no. 6. I have not known this anywhere in the Orthodox Church. Some Eastern Rite Catholics use this during the ordination litany; in the Orthodox Church the ordinand kneels with his head against the Holy Table during the litany. (Sbdn. Sergius R.B. Miller, St Nicholas Cathedral, D.C.)

I did a lot of copy editing and some linking. I can't vouch for _accuracy_, but I don't really see a neutrality issue. More traditional groups have more gestures, so an article explaining gestures will have more about them. I think it's pretty balanced as far as the idea of older traditions, mainstream, and some recent borrowings.

I would agree the title is not the best. I'd like to see it expanded to "gestures" and include crossing, hand lifting, etc. If it were going to be merged, it would go into Eastern_orthodox#The_Services, but that's already a long article, so I think this might be fine on its own.Lisamh 00:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no objections, I'm going to rename this to Bows (liturgical) or even Bows (orthodox), expanding the article somewhat. InfernoXV 19:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do! 71.245.4.149 16:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To my knowledge, actually Zemnoy poklon also similar to the Muslim salat (if you pay close attention between the two - the difference being the style of prostration with the hands on the ground and the raising of hands prior to the bowing and before commencing the standing prayer) and Jewish prayer [1], which was common for Jews worldwide until recently, where few practise it now. --Zionist Arab 03:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image is very confusing. (4) is really just a prostration not done all the way. and 6 is used only ever during monastic tonsure. (2) is used after the consecration, or in places when pews get in the way of making a metenia131.106.254.213 (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)Panagiotis[reply]

Caution[edit]

THe description from genuflection maus be moved out and into here. Also, texts there and here have contradictions. References are missing. `'mikka 20:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

This info also applies to Byzantine-rite Eastern Catholics. Shouldn't the title reflect that? Pinging Altenmann (talk · contribs), BDD (talk · contribs) --Jahaza (talk) 18:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. It could be Bowing in Eastern Christianity. I just thought "Eastern Orthodox Church tradition" was more unwieldy where "Eastern Orthodoxy" says the same thing. --BDD (talk) 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD:: Perhaps, Bowing in Byzantine Rite Christianity since there are other Eastern rites (Maronite, East Syriac, Armenian, etc.) that aren't covered in the article?--Jahaza (talk) 18:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "Byantine Rite Christianity" isn't widely used outside of Wikipedia, so I'd somewhat prefer Bowing in the Byzantine Rite. Is the problem that those other Eastern rites don't bow like this or that we just haven't incorporated them into the article yet? If the latter, I think the current title is best. If the former, I think you're right that we need a more accurate title. --BDD (talk) 19:30, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with [[Bowing in Byzantine Rite Christianity. Honestly, I don't know whether those rites I mentioned bow similarly to Byzantine-rite Christians or not, but none of the ones I mentioned are Eastern Orthodox (they're the so-called "Oriental Orthodox" except for Maronites, who are Eastern Catholics) so they can't be included in the current title.--Jahaza (talk) 19:45, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe try an WP:RM to solicit further input? --BDD (talk) 20:16, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of the sixth bow[edit]

The image contains 6 bows, while the article only mentions 5. 2001:56A:F4BC:9500:BDE0:DB2B:E3B1:75E6 (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]