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Requested move[edit]

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Central Statistics Office (Ireland) → Central Statistics Office – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC) Central Statistics Office is unique, no country disambiguator is needed. Snappy (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there's one in Botswana[1], and Afghanistan[2], and Mauritius[3], etc. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support There is no other "Central Statistics Office" article on Wikipedia, thus the "(Ireland)" for disambiguation is redundant. Armbrust ^{Talk to me about my edits}_review 18:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The name that appears on the top of their Web site is Central Statistics Office Ireland.[4] On their publications, it says, "Published by the Central Statistics Office, Ireland."[5] I suggest that we use one of those two forms. Of course, we can disambiguated based on detail. But that's second choice when there is a natural form of the name that is clear and unambiguous. Kauffner (talk) 05:12, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Here we go again, with a gung-ho attempt to remove a staggeringly useful qualifier that assists readers everywhere and harms no one and nothing. If Botswana doesn't count as part of your world, how about Poland, Slovenia, Syria, Croatia, and the UK? Has the proposer even looked at the DAB page Central Statistical Office, or the DAB page Central Bureau of Statistics? Why do we even have to consider such retrograde and legalistic efforts? They clearly compromise the utility of the whole Project, to no end except satisfying a minority obsession with brevity at any cost. Oy.

People in the real world (that's you and me, guys) do not always start with a clear notion of the official name of the topic they're chasing. Stop assuming they do. Just introspect: you might discover how this really works.

Noetica^Tea? 07:59, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Too many other identically named offices exist. Longwayround (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2[edit]

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The result of the proposal was page moved. (Non-admin close, for technical reasons.) After due community deliberation on this talkpage in an earlier RM (see above), User:Kauffner unilaterally moved the page and failed even to notify the community here. This is highly irregular, and disregards the fact that the article had been marked as a matter for discussion at RMs, not to be subject to discretionary moves by editors. I therefore boldly reverse the move, and close this discussion. If any editor still wants a move to Central Statistics Office Ireland (a most unusual form), let a new RM be properly opened to discuss it. Noetica^Tea? 10:00, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Central Statistics Office Ireland → Central Statistics Office (Ireland) – User:Kauffner unilaterally moved this on 27 February with the editsummary "This is how the name is given on top of the organization's Web site". Kauffner made this proposal in the previous move debate and got zero support for it. The claim is (a) irrelevant, since the article should be at WP:COMMONNAME regardless of the website and (b) spurious, since, although the HTML page http://www.cso.ie/en/index.html does have a title bar which reads "CSO - Central Statistics Office Ireland", every mention on the page body is "Central Statistics Office" (or "CSO", not "CSOI"). jnestorius^(talk) 07:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Of course that was ridiculous and irregular, JN. I have asked at Vegaswikian's talkpage for a simple restoration of order. We don't have to go through all this! Noetica^Tea? 08:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC) ☺[reply]

Heh. In the confusion that Kauffner's action caused, I got the details mixed up. I have now reverted his highly non-consensual and poorly documented move. Noetica^Tea? 09:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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odd move[edit]

Kauffner did an odd move to "Central Statistics Office Ireland", claiming that that's how they call themselves on their website. I did a google search for that on site:cso.ie, and found no page that shows that text. Several pages have it hidden in a title or something, but that's hardly a reason to claim they call themselves that. There's a least one showing a comma, "Central Statistics Office, Ireland" but none unpunctuated. I wouldn't care about comma versus parens, but probably it should be discussed first if someone wants to go that way. Dicklyon (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I see Noetica was in the process of fixing it. I hadn't seen the section above until after I committed my move and new section. Anyway, fixed. Dicklyon (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]