Talk:Communist terrorism/Archive 10

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WP is not a target of pushers of anti-communist and anti-soviet POV crap, this article should convince you otherwise. (Igny (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

Lead

I have tagged the lead because the sources provided do not in fact mention "communist terrorism".[1][2] Could someone please provide a source for the lead. TFD (talk) 04:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I rewrote the lead to see if I could squeeze anything sensible out of the concept. I'm not sure I succeeded. --Ludwigs2 09:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Ludwigs, I support changing it back to a dab page.--Dojarca (talk) 14:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I thank Ludwigs for his effort to resurrect the dead horse.

The article is still an unpublished synthesis of left-wing terrorism and Red Terror. Only one of the sources is about the purported topic of the article, namely Europe's red terrorists: the fighting communist organizations. The topic of the book is however already covered in left-wing terrorism. I have analyzed the sources, including reading page 223 of Martin, Gus (2009). Understanding Terrorism: Challenges, Perspectives, and Issues that Ludwigs added as a source. As the book is about terrorism in general, it can give little insight on this purported topic, the title of which is not even mentioned in the book. (The concept of "liberating violence" may be notable by itself.) The other sources only mention minor details, and are irrelevant to the existence of this topic.

I will be reverting the article back to the semi-stable disambiguation page. Most important in my decision is the statements by Collect in the preceding discussion. He admits that he cannot name a single source that would define what this topic is about, yet he also claims that he lacks the insight based on a thorough understanding of the subject matter that would enable him to state what the subject matter should be. I raises the question what exactly prompted him restore the rejected content. I do agree with the statements made that his latest contributions to this page constitute trolling.

The other discussion during the last week has produced nothing that would enable or mandate the recreation of this article. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

1. This article existed before the move of material to a POVfork. If an article is to be deleted because the material was moved to another article, where the renaming of the article was not met with consensus, that act is against the principles of consensus. 2. You have made clear elsewhere that, for example, the Ametrican Revolution was inspired by Lenin as he created the idea of self-determination. 3. You have breached WP:NPA and I ask you redact your personal aspersions. I trust you will redact them. Collect (talk) 16:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

IMO, it is not correct to convert the article into the disambiguation page. Although I am not satisfied with the previous version [3], I am ready to discuss possible text of the future "Communist terrorism" non-disambiguation article. To avoid possible edit wars, it would be good if you proposed a new text on the talk page.--Paul Siebert (talk) 16:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

So in the current state this article does not deserve anything other than being a disamiguation page. If Collect thinks it should not be a disambig, he is welcome to propose a text for this article on the talk page.--Dojarca (talk) 17:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Collect, Petri Krohn has done no more than explain what you have said. By your own admission you know nothing about this topic and can provide no sources for it. If you believe that left wing terrorism is a POV fork, then request an AfD.

Paul, Siebert, I do not see how that could be done, but write something and we can look at it.

TFD (talk) 16:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

As I have said earlier, the place to start is here: Communist terrorism/Temp. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Kautsky citation

It seems that Kautsky does not use the term "terrorism" in the modern meaning.--Dojarca (talk) 14:48, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Kautsky spricht Deutch. The title was Terrorismus und Kommunismus. <...> Whatever I wanted to say wbout what Kautsky meant is irrelevant now: I deleted this section, since it is grossly misattributed. This is the problem of relying in primary sources: a random wikipedian not only fails to know what Kautsky's termibnology meant, one also readily misinterprets the source. Lovok Sovok (talk) 03:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Terrorism and the Soviet Union

I have done some major rearranging of sections of text:

I have moved two sections from Revolutionary terror in the Soviet Union to Revolutionary terror
I have renamed Revolutionary terror in the Soviet Union to Terrorism and The Soviet Union (should go to Terrorism and the Soviet Union)
I have moved the section Western perspectives on terrorism committed by groups claiming adherence to Communist ideology of this article to be the new lede section of Terrorism and the Soviet Union
I have moved the parts of the lede section of this article to the lede section of Left-wing terrorism.
As there was no content left in this article, I have reverted it to the disambiguation page.

My decision was partly based on the following: I read pages 202 and 203 of Brian Crozier's book Political victory: the elusive prize of military wars, that was used as the source for the "Western perspectives..." section. It was not really about "communist terrorism", but about Soviet sponsored and Soviet inspired terrorism. The word "communist" was only used to contrast Soviet sponsored terrorism against Islamic terrorism. I believe a better place to cover this Soviet sponsored terrorism is Terrorism and the Soviet Union. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

No. What you did was:

Propose a merger [4] at 00:28.
Propose another merger [5] at 00:51
Carry out the merger [6] three freaking minutes later before ANYONE had any chance to comment on the proposal
Seconds later, once again, deleted the article out of process and against consensus, [7] by turning it into a disambiguation page.

Now, aside from the desirability of the RESULT of this action, THE WAY you have done it is highly disruptive. Why propose mergers in the first place when you don't even wait for input? Why go through the farce of renaming section within the article, when minutes later you delete the whole article anyway?

Will you please stop edit warring on this, and leave the article alone long enough so discussion can take place? Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Which discussion is that? The only constructive comments I've seen on any of these related topics has been from those seeking change. The 'keep it as it is' faction have simply used blocking tactics to maintain the status quo. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know where you're looking because I see plenty of discussion. Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:53, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Constructive discussion? AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

VM, could you please provide an article or book that explains the concept of "communist/Communist terrorism". What do you think this article is supposed to be about? Even far right writers do not use the term. If you believe that they are missing something then you need to establish the concept there and wait until it is picked up by mainstream writers. TFD (talk) 02:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I believe a large part of what Marek and others EXPECT to see here is material that would be better covered in the article on terrorism and the Soviet Union. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't speak for other people, but for myself, that's not necessarily true. I do think that some mention of 'terrorism and the Soviet Union" belongs in this article, as well as a short (one paragraph) summary of what that article is about (and a "for the Main Article see..." link). However, the main focus of this article should be on 1) link between Marxist/Leninist theory/writing and its use by latter day communist organizations to justify terror and terrorism (I believe you've indicated this several times above yourself), and 2) communist groups such as the Shinning Path, Communist Party of the Philippines, etc. The use of the term in the context of Malaysia and Vietnam should also be discussed here. Lastly, groups and actions such as the BM Gang and Red Brigades should be also mentioned though again, that portion, after a summary, can point the reader to the article on Left wing terrorism (funny how some folks are so insistent on turning this article into a redirect to LWT but no one's bothered to create a proper redirect for LWT w/o the dash. Says something about some priorities). Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Terrorist groups that rely on Marxist Leninist theory are called "left-wing terrorists". Support of the Soviet Union for terrorism is called state-sponsored terrorism. Groups fighting for independence against colonial powers are not considered to be terrorists at all. No rational person groups these phenomena together, which is why you cannot find any sources for your POV. Please allow articles to be based on reliable sources. TFD (talk) 03:48, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Once again you are totally pretending I said something I didn't and misrepresenting me and my statements. Please stop, as it is getting really tiresome and borders on the insulting.

Specifically. I never said that "Groups fighting for independence against colonial powers" are ALL terrorist (some most definitely were/are). In fact I didn't bring up such groups at all. So, once again, why are you bringing this up? Does it refer to my statement in any way? No? Then please stop pretending that this is something I've mentioned.

More broadly, "groups that rely on Marxist Leninist theory" are a SUBSET of groups that can be described as "left-wing terrorists" - hence no reason for them not to have their own article. Likewise "Groups fighting for independence against colonial powers" can in fact be both terrorist and self describe as communist - or be described as such by others. But not all of them are. Ones which do belong here. Ones which don't belong somewhere else. "Support of the Soviet Union for terrorism" is a SUBSET of state-sponsored terrorism, since the SU wasn't only state that's ever supported terrorism. You're confusing your universals and particulars. Again. Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

That is original research. Communism is of course a subset of the Left. But there is no concept called "communist terrorism" - what you are describing is called "left-wing terrorism". No one commits acts of terrorism because they wish to achieve a mixed economy and stronger welfare programs. Also, notice that none of these groups were members of Comintern or its successor parties, which is probably why scholars do not describe them as "Communist terrorists". TFD (talk) 14:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Some of you may not realize this, but Petri actually did a good service towards improving this article. Consider this as the first and important step in understanding what this article should be about. Petri listed 4 separate and unmixable contexts in which the term "communist terrorism" had been used. Those categories could be expanded into sections (the second step toward getting a good article) with use of "main article" template to cut down on the volume. It could also be a good idea to focus on "term" itself rather than the events (that is what links are for) it was used to describe to cut down on volume even more.

Now if you think the article should focus on constructing the linkage between Marx' writings and modern terrorism, keep in mind that could amount to WP:OR and WP:SYNTH and bring us back to the problematic article we started with. Instead consider looking at the differences between the so obviously different contexts the term was used in. (Igny (talk) 04:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC))

Deletion/blanking of massive portions of sourced material

I have restored the article to its previous stable state. If parties wish to make good faith edits or even warranted deletions, that makes sense, but the wholesale deletion of sourced material is disruptive and not justified. Rather than engaging in disruptive editing which is essentially an end run around a deletion nomination which you know would fail, please engage in good faith discussion and editing. Mamalujo (talk) 20:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The claim that large amount of sourced material has been deleted from Wikipedia is simply false. This material is still in Wikipedia. With regard to this concrete article, please, provide the evidence that this material belongs to it, because the burden of evidence rests with you.--Paul Siebert (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Re discussion, it is you who avoids it. You still provided no counter-arguments against the content move (concretely, I got no response on the post I made on 01:48, 24 November 2010 (UTC)).

Please, note also that further reverts without discussion (made by you or another editor) will be considered as disruptive editing and treated accordingly.--Paul Siebert (talk) 20:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The move clearly makes sense and has majority support - just reverting and asserting is not helping --Snowded ^TALK 20:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Removal of material without a clear consensus here is a deletion. Such a deletion without consensus is, in fact, disruptive editing and treated accordingly. Collect (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Fly-by reverting of an article without bothering to discuss the issue properly, despite being fully aware that there is an active talk page, seems like disruptive editing to me. And no, if something is moved, it still exists, therefore it hasn't been deleted: see common sense. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixing the neutrality issues does not require consensus.--Paul Siebert (talk) 21:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Collect, the editors have merely removed text from the article that was not about "Communist terrorism". As it turns out, nothing has been written about "Communist terrorism" in reliable sources, which explains why you are unable to find any. TFD (talk) 11:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Alas - you err. The whole point of your edits has been to delete an article which was not renamed nor deleted previously. And you seem to nominate at AfD a great deal for articles you WP:KNOW are wrong. As for finding "communist terrorism" in reliable sources, try [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13] and more than 200 others using Google Scholar and not counting any regarding Malaya. So much for "nothing". Collect (talk) 13:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you would explain how those references support your position? --Snowded ^TALK 13:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Each uses the term which TFD said was never used in any reliable sources. My position remains, moreover, that WP does not require that article titles be common terms at all in the first place. When TFD said no source uses the term, I provided counter-examples. Period. Collect (talk) 13:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Your first source is about "extreme Left terrorism", i.e., left-wing terrorism. In the article, it use that term 52 times, and as synonyms, "red terrorism" 17 times and "communist terrorism" twice.[14] Can you please provide a source that explains the term as something distinct from left-wing terrorism? TFD (talk) 13:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, as far as I could see they supported the opposite position to that of Collect. Using google search on a term without understanding the context of the material is poor work Collect. --Snowded ^TALK 13:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

(ec)TFD (You) made an absolute claim. Which was disproven. Now you seem intent on tendentiously arguing about counting terms when you said the term was found nowhere? There is an old anecdote which ends up with "And besides, the dish was broken when I got it." Old anecdotes contain truths indeed. Once a claim is disproven, all the further argument does is show how weak the claim was in the first place. Collect (talk) 13:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Collect, please do not misrepresent what I wrote. I wrote, "As it turns out, nothing has been written about "Communist terrorism" in reliable sources". In fact all the first source you provided was about left-wing terrorism, and the term "communist terrorism" was used twice as a synonym. If you think it is a different concept then please provide a source. If you think they are the same thing then the most commonly used term is left-wing terrorism. TFD (talk) 14:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

IOW, if a source repeatedly uses "communist terrorism" init, and it is an RS, then it still means "nothing" has been written about "communist terrorism? An interesting point of view - but one which still is belied by the fact that I listed reliable sources which use the term. That you "know" the source "really menat to use left wing but used communist as a synonym" or the like - then you need some source for that claim. Other than that, what do you do with the two hundred sources found in Google Scholar which use the term? Assert they ALL are "wrong"? Collect (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If in an article about Skyscrapers, an author occasionally calls them Tall buildings, it does not mean he is talking about two different concepts, each of which deserves its own article. Also the fact that you can find two words strung together in Google means nothing unless you can find that the author is referring to a concept. TFD (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

(out) Google Scholar has those 200 cites which are not about Malaya. If I used Google for the phrase, I get over 9K results. The books, in fact, do treat the term as a specific concept - I wonder why you think authors use random words in catenation? Collect (talk) 16:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Please, use these 200 sources to expand the article. However, do not include here the terrorist groups that are described not as Communist terrorists by majority sources.--Paul Siebert (talk) 16:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Read the dissertation above where TFD asserted that zero reliable sources deal with the topic. I suggest 200 > 0. I would however cavil that "Marxist" and similar adjectives are substantially equivalent to "communist" while "left wing" may not be so regarded. I trust you concur. Collect (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

200 sources on the internet is about as close to zero as you can get without actually solving Xeno's paradox. Further, I deeply suspect that most of these 200 references are mere euphemisms for left-wing terrorism. You are entitled to demonstrate otherwise, obviously, by citing specific passages from referenced material. keep in mind, however, that the it's going to be hard to satisfy notability and undue weight with just 200 sources over the course of decades. Note that the keywords "Obama socialism" gets over 5000 hits from google scholar from just the past 2 years, and we know what a crock that is. --Ludwigs2 18:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not just "on the Internet" - note that the "Internet" search on the phrase gets over 9K hits. "Obama socialism" gets a total of SIX hits on Google scholar. Try comparing apples to apples, please. 6 << 200. Collect (talk) 18:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Collect, this is tendentious, you should know well enough that saying a phrase is mentioned a couple of hundred times on a google search does not make it valid, the references may say that it is not a valid term, or may (as some of those you provided do) make it minor to left wing terrorism. You have to show how the sources specifically support your position and argue the case. At the moment you are simply game playing and its got to end. Put up (a case) or shut up. --Snowded ^TALK 18:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Collect, your second source is an article written in 1961 that presumably refers to the Communist Vietnamese as "communist terrorists". Can you find a recent article where they are called that? TFD (talk) 18:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh? You said to exclude anything about Malaya. Last I checked, Vietnam is not part of Malaya. Apparently, your mileage varies. Collect (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The term CT was originally coined to describe the Malayan insurgency but entered the Cold War terminology of the time to describe various other Communist-backed insurgencies in south east Asia. Is there any reason why we should be using this terminology fifty years later? TFD (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

IOW, you retract the claim that zero sources refer to the term? In which case, the entire basis of your cavil fails. Thanks! Collect (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Instead of endlessly arguing can you explain what edits you wish to make to this article based on your search. TFD (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

LOL - TFD, if that actually happens I'll probably have a seizure from the shock.

--Ludwigs2 19:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

And if no sensible response is forthcoming then we are into Troll territory - one dissenter, especially when they are making no arguments cannot prevent change --Snowded ^TALK 20:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Really now -- avoid these dang personal attacks, Snowy! Last I checked, I was not the only person objecting, and your comments that agreements only mean what you wish them to mean was LOL-ish to be sure. [15]. In short - there are objections by several to what you claim was "clearly agreed" - including Paul's disagreement with your claims. Collect (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The easiest way to avoid being called a Troll is to avoid behaving like one. Paul below points out that you have to take the content of your Google search and explain how that justifies your position. You are persistently not engaging with the argument other than to repeat assertions without evidence. --Snowded ^TALK 17:48, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Collect, enough of this - have you never heard the phrase 'shit or get off the can'? Explain precisely what changes you want to make to the article - with specific diffs that support those changes - so that we can discuss them. otherwise, shut up. this is not a debate forum or a chat room, and it's sure as hell not a good place for you to gripe and moan about some (possibly imaginary) personal wrongs that you feel you've suffered.

to everyone else: please do us all the favor of ignoring anything Collect says, unless it is a suggestion for a revision of the article supported by diffs. please be aware that posts like his last are simply chumming the waters for a visceral response; do not indulge them, because he'll keep doing it as long as it works. I'm tired of watching this tawdry nonsense spin out. let's get things focused back on improving the article. --Ludwigs2 23:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

In case you did not know this I have posted here a few times. Is that clear enough? Derisory remarks do not make for proper WP behaviour. Ever. The issues that I have dealt with are factual: Renaming was not approved. Deletion was not approved. Is this sufficiently clear? And amazingly enough several other editors appear to agree with this. But they do not count apparently -- though if you wish the article deleted, have the grace to list it at AfD. Collect (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

@ Collect. Firstly, I believe you don't mind me to format your post. Secondly, whereas I agree that deletion of this article was not approved, you must concede that that was not a carte blanche for you to add any content you want to this article. Obviously, the content that has been proved to belong to other articles should be moved accordingly. I believe everyone will benefit if you stop your endless arguments and start to work on the article using the sources you found.

@ All others. I do not think that attacking Collect is correct in that situation, especially taking into account that epithets like "Troll" are rather insulting. In addition, let me point out that some of his points are quite valid: 200 sources found by Google scholar are quite enough to speak about of the subject's notability. The only question that has to be clarified is in what context the words "Communist terrorism" are used in these sources. However, I believe Collect will be able to clarify that in close future.--Paul Siebert (talk) 23:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Um -- can you show me where I added anything at all which had not been previously in this article? Any POV that I added to this article? Indeed any content which I specifically added to the article? Where I posted a source which was not RS? Where I demeaned any editor at all? Thanks. Collect (talk) 00:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The fact that something had already been in the article is not an argument against its move. Addition of new material and restoring old materials is the same (per WP:BURDEN)--Paul Siebert (talk) 00:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Collect, this is not a blog - you and I both know that your arguments make no sense, as does anyonw reading this discussion. We are not here to match wits, but to improve articles. TFD (talk) 00:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

@ Collect: two points, and I do hope they both get across this time:

It doesn't matter whether the move of the material was approved - the material moved was (as far as I can see) violating wp:synthesis, and so it had no standing on the project. none. Any editor can (and should) move/remove synthetic material when and where it occurs. If you don't like it, tough; I don't really care, and I'm tired of listening to you gripe about it.
That being said, you can suggest that we reinsert any of the moved material BY PROVIDING CITATIONS FROM RELIABLE SOURCES AND MAKING A CASE FOR REINSERTION. Show that we're wrong about the synthesis through the use of sources, and the issue goes away.

Google searches are not reliable sources. Google Scholar searches are not reliable sources. You have to provide actual references from sources that show the phrase "Communist Terrorism" being used in some meaningful way that is distinct from (the obviously far more common phrase) "Left-Wing Terrorism". If this is actually a notable topic, that should be very easy, and the fact that you haven't yet done this reaffirms my belief that you really are engaged in synthesis. Prove me wrong, if you can. and if you can't prove me wrong, give it up already.

@ Paul: I want to see the actual language in the cited sources, not a keyword search in Google. 200 hits is small even for academic publications, and if any significant proportion of them are false positives (e.g., a researcher using 'communist terrorism' for stylistic rather that substantive reasons, or google reporting multiple links to a single document), notability is out of the question. --Ludwigs2 01:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Firstly, the google scholar results help to understand which terminology is more common. However, I agree that these results are not sufficient for making more deep conclusions. Secondly, regarding 200 hits Collect obtained, these are quite sufficient to speak about notability of the subject, provided that Collect or anybody else demonstrate that in substantial part of these sources this term is applied to a Communist terrorism as a separate phenomenon.--Paul Siebert (talk) 01:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Exactly Paul, Collect has to provide evidence that this is a sufficiently distinct article to justify the material being here and not elsewhere. The references he gave earlier today just resulted from the google search and said the opposite in the main. Collect is not engaging with content or meaning in his references he is simply quoting a number and saying he doesn't like things. That sooner or later is unacceptable behaviour. --Snowded ^TALK 17:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Further to Ludwigs comment above, can I point out that when another 'contributor' (fortunately not active at the moment) used Google to find references to "communist terrorism", one of the references he actually cited (!) turned out to be referring to "anti-communist terrorism" in Indonesia. A Google search reports letter sequences, not meanings. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I cannot find sources on this subject from my university library

I did a catalog search for this term at my library. Here are the subjects that my library associates with

Terrorism:

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Terrorism.
TerroriSM.
Terrorism.
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- EcoTerrorism
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- Maritime Terrorism.
- Nuclear Terrorism.
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- Trials (Terrorism)
- Political violence.
Terror.
Terrorism.
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Terrorism--Afghanistan.
Terrorism--Afghanistan--20th century.
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Terrorism--Afghanistan--Prevention.
Terrorism--Africa.
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Terrorism--Africa, Northeast--Prevention.
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Terrorism--Africa, West.
Terrorism--Algeria.
Terrorism--Algeria--Algiers.
Terrorism--Algeria--Drama.
Terrorism--Algeria--Fiction.
Terrorism--Algeria--History.
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Terrorism and mass media--Asia.
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Terrorism and mass media--Russia (Federation)
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Terrorism--Angola.
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Terrorism--Arab countries--Congresses.
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Terrorism--Arabian Peninsula.
Terrorism--Argentina.
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Terrorism--Argentina--Congresses.
Terrorism--Argentina--Córdoba.
Terrorism--Argentina--History.
Terrorism--Argentina--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Argentina--Poetry.
Terrorism--Argentina--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Armenia.
Terrorism--Armenia (Republic)
Terrorism--Asia.
Terrorism--Asia, Central.
Terrorism--Asia, Central--Congresses.
Terrorism--Asia, Central--Prevention.
Terrorism--Asia--Congresses.
Terrorism--Asia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Asia--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Asia, Southeastern.
Terrorism--Asia, Southeastern--Prevention.
Terrorism--Atlanta (Ga.)--Prevention.
Terrorism--Atrocities--Turkey.
Terrorism--Australia.
Terrorism--Australia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Australia--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Austria.
Terrorism--Azad Kashmir.
Terrorism--Azerbaijan.
Terrorism--Balkan Peninsula.
Terrorism--Balkan Peninsula--History.
Terrorism--Balkan Peninsula--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Bangladesh.
Terrorism--Bangladesh--Congresses.
Terrorism--Bangladesh--Prevention.
Terrorism--Bangladesh--Prevention--Congresses.
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Terrorism--Belgium--Prevention--Congresses.
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Terrorism--Bolivia--History--20th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Bosnia and Hercegovina.
Terrorism--Bosnia and Hercegovina--Prevention.
Terrorism--Brazil.
Terrorism--Brazil--Rio de Janeiro.
Terrorism--Brazil--Rio de Janeiro--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Bulgaria.
Terrorism--Calendars.
Terrorism--California.
Terrorism--California--Los Angeles--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Cambodia.
Terrorism--Canada.
Terrorism--Canada--Prevention.
Terrorism--Canada--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Caribbean Area.
Terrorism--Case studies.
Terrorism--Cases.
Terrorism--Causes.
Terrorism--Central America.
Terrorism--Central America--Prevention.
Terrorism--Chile.
Terrorism--Chile--Congresses.
Terrorism--Chile--Fiction.
Terrorism--Chile--History--20th century.
Terrorism--China.
Terrorism--China--Prevention.
Terrorism--China--Xinjiang Uygur Zizhiqu.
Terrorism--Chronology.
Terrorism--Chronology--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Colombia
Terrorism--Colombia--20th century.
Terrorism--Colombia--Bogotá.
Terrorism--Colombia--Congresses.
Terrorism--Colombia--History.
Terrorism--Colombia--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Colombia--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Colombia--Medellín.
Terrorism--Colombia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Colombia--Putumayo (Dept.)--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Comic books, strips, etc.
Terrorism--Computer network resources.
Terrorism--Computer network resources--Directories.
Terrorism--Congo (Democratic Republic)--Kinshasa.
Terrorism--Congresses.
Terrorism--Countermeasures.
Terrorism--Croatia.
Terrorism--Cross-cultural studies.
Terrorism--Cuba.
Terrorism--Cuba--History.
Terrorism--Cuba--History--1959---Fiction.
Terrorism--Cuba--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Cuba--History--20th century--Pictorial works.
Terrorism--Cuba--Prevention.
Terrorism--Cuba--Prevention--Fiction.
Terrorism--Czech Republic.
Terrorism--Data processing.
Terrorism--Data processing--Congresses.
Terrorism--Databases.
Terrorism--Developing countries.
Terrorism--Developing countries--Congresses.
Terrorism--Dictionaries.
Terrorism--Dictionaries--Russian.
Terrorism--Dictionaries--Spanish.
Terrorism--Directories.
Terrorism--Dominican Republic.
Terrorism--Drama.
Terrorism--East Asia.
Terrorism--Economic aspects.
Terrorism Economic aspects Africa, West.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--Asia.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--European Union countries.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--New York (State)--New York.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--Oregon.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--South Asia--Congresses.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--Turkey.
Terrorism--Economic aspects--United States
Terrorism--Economic aspects--United States--Congresses.
Terrorism--Ecuador.
Terrorism--Effect of technological innovations on.
Terrorism--Egypt
Terrorism--Egypt--Congresses.
Terrorism--Egypt--Drama.
Terrorism--Egypt--Prevention.
Terrorism--El Salvador.
Terrorism--El Salvador--San Salvador.
Terrorism Encyclopedias.
Terrorism--England London
Terrorist Bombings, London, England, 2005.
Terrorism--England--East Anglia--History--19th century.
Terrorism--England--Guildford--Drama.
Terrorism--England--Guildford--History--20th century.
Terrorism--England--London.
Terrorism--England--London--Drama.
Terrorism--England--London--Prevention.
Terrorism--England--Prevention.
Terrorism--Environmental aspects--United States.
Terrorism--Ethiopia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Eurasia.
Terrorism--Europe
Terrorism--Europe--Case studies.
Terrorism--Europe--Congresses.
Terrorism--Europe, Eastern.
Terrorism--Europe, Eastern--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Europe--History.
Terrorism--Europe--History--19th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Europe--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Europe--History--20th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Europe--History--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Europe--History--Case studies--Congresses.
Terrorism--Europe--History--Chronology.
Terrorism--Europe--Prevention.
Terrorism--Europe--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Europe--Public opinion.
Terrorism--Europe--Sources.
Terrorism--Europe, Western.
Terrorism--Europe, Western--Prevention.
Terrorism--European Economic Community countries.
Terrorism--European Union countries.
Terrorism--European Union countries--Prevention.
Terrorism--European Union countries--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Fiction.
Terrorism--Fiji--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Finance.
Terrorism--Finance--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Finance--Congresses.
Terrorism--Finance--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Finance--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--Case studies.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--Planning.
Terrorism--Finance--Prevention--Technological innovations--United States.
International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism (2000)
Terrorism--Forecasting.
Terrorism--Former Soviet republics.
Terrorism--Former Soviet republics--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Former Soviet republics--Prevention.
Terrorism--France
Terrorism--France--Corsica.
Terrorism--France--Drama.
Terrorism--France--History.
Terrorism--France--History--18th century.
Terrorism--France--History--20th century.
Terrorism--France--Nord (Dept.)--History--18th century.
Terrorism--France--Paris--Drama.
Terrorism--France--Paris--History.
Terrorism--France--Pas-de-Calais--History--18th century.
Terrorism--France--Pays Basque.
Terrorism--France--Prevention.
Terrorism--Gaza Strip.
Terrorism--Gaza Strip--Prevention.
Terrorism Germany.
Terrorism--Germany--Bavaria.
Terrorism--Germany--Berlin--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Germany--Congresses.
Terrorism--Germany--Drama.
Terrorism--Germany--History.
Terrorism--Germany--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Germany--Munich.
Terrorism--Germany--Prevention.
Terrorism--Germany (West)
Terrorism--Germany (West)--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Germany (West)--Congresses.
Terrorism--Germany (West)--History.
Terrorism--Germany (West)--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Government policy.
Terrorism--Government policy--Asia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Australia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Austria.
Terrorism--Government policy--Balkan Peninsula.
Terrorism Government policy Case studies.
Terrorism--Government policy--China.
Terrorism--Government policy--Colombia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Colombia--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Government policy--Congresses.
Terrorism--Government policy--Cross-cultural studies.
Terrorism--Government policy--Egypt.
Terrorism Government policy Europe.
Terrorism--Government policy--Europe--Congresses.
Terrorism--Government policy--Europe, Western.
Terrorism--Government policy--European Union countries.
Terrorism--Government policy--France.
Terrorism--Government policy--Gaza Strip.
Terrorism--Government policy--Germany (West)
Terrorism--Government policy--Great Britain.
Terrorism--Government policy--Great Britain--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Government policy--Guatemala.
Terrorism--Government policy--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Government policy--India.
Terrorism--Government policy--India, Northeastern.
Terrorism--Government policy--Indonesia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Iran.
Terrorism--Government policy--Islamic countries.
Terrorism--Government policy--Israel.
Terrorism--Government policy--Italy.
Terrorism--Government policy--Japan.
Terrorism--Government policy--Jordan.
Terrorism--Government policy--Latin America.
Terrorism--Government policy--Lebanon.
Terrorism--Government policy--Libya.
Terrorism--Government policy--Middle East.
Terrorism--Government policy--Pakistan.
Terrorism--Government policy--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Government policy--Peru.
Terrorism--Government policy--Russia (Federation)
Terrorism--Government policy--Saudi Arabia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Somalia.
Terrorism--Government policy--South Asia.
Terrorism--Government policy--Soviet Union.
Terrorism--Government policy--Soviet Union--Sources.
Terrorism--Government policy--Spain.
Terrorism--Government policy--Spain--Congresses.
Terrorism--Government policy--Sudan.
Terrorism--Government policy--Syria.
Terrorism--Government policy--Turkey.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Case studies.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Congresses.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Evaluation.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--History.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Language--Dictionaries.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Pictorial works.
Terrorism--Government policy--United States--Public opinion.
Terrorism--Government policy--Venezuela.
Terrorism--Government policy--Washington (D.C.)
Terrorism--Government policy--West Bank.
Terrorism--Government policy--Yemen (Republic)
Terrorism--Great Britain
Terrorism--Great Britain--Fiction.
Terrorism--Great Britain--Finance.
Terrorism--Great Britain--History.
Terrorism--Great Britain--Prevention.
Terrorism--Greece.
Terrorism--Greece--Athens--Prevention.
Terrorism--Greece--Thessalonikē.
Terrorism--Guatemala.
Terrorism--Guatemala--Huehuetenango (Dept.)
Terrorism--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Health aspects.
Terrorism Health aspects United States.
Terrorism--History.
Terrorism--History--19th century.
Terrorism--History--20th century.
Terrorism--History--20th century--Bibliography.
Terrorism--History--20th century--In mass media.
Terrorism History 21st century.
Terrorism--History--21st century--Chronology.
Terrorism--History--21st century--Poetry.
Terrorism--History--21st century--Statistics.
Terrorism--History--Bibliography.
Terrorism--History--Chronology.
Terrorism--History--Congresses.
Terrorism--History--Dictionaries.
Terrorism--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Honduras--History--20th century.
Terrorism Horn of Africa Prevention.
Terrorism--Hungary.
Terrorism in art.
Terrorism in art--Congresses.
Terrorism in art--Exhibitions.
Terrorism in literature.
Terrorism in literature--Congresses.
Terrorism in mass media.
Terrorism in mass media--Bibliography.
Terrorism in mass media--Colombia--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism in mass media--Congresses.
Terrorism in mass media--Italy.
Terrorism in mass media--Political aspects--United States.
Terrorism in mass media--United States.
Terrorism in mass media--United States--Cases.
Terrorism in mass media--United States--History--20th century.
Terrorism in motion pictures.
Terrorism in motion pictures--Congresses.
Terrorism in motion pictures--Film catalogs.
Terrorism on television.
Terrorism--Press coverage.
Terrorism--India.
Mumbai Terrorist Attacks, Bombay, India, 2008.
Terrorism--India--Assam.
Terrorism--India--Assam--Drama.
Terrorism--India--Bengal.
Terrorism--India--Bengal--History.
Terrorism--India--Bihar.
Terrorism--India--Blogs.
Terrorism--India--Bombay.
Terrorism--India--Bombay--Prevention.
Terrorism--India--Congresses.
Terrorism--India--Fiction.
Terrorism--India--Gāndhīnagar.
Terrorism--India--History.
Terrorism--India--History--20th century.
Terrorism--India--Jammu and Kashmir.
Terrorism--India--Jammu and Kashmir--Drama.
Terrorism--India--Jammu and Kashmir--Fiction.
Terrorism--India--Jammu and Kashmir--Psychological aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--India--Mizoram.
Terrorism--India--New Delhi.
Terrorism--India, Northeastern.
Terrorism--India, Northeastern--Congresses.
Terrorism--India--Periodicals.
Terrorism--India--Prevention.
Terrorism--India--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--India--Punjab.
Terrorism--India--Punjab--Congresses.
Terrorism--India--Punjab--Fiction.
Terrorism--India--Punjab--History--20th century.
Terrorism--India--Religious aspects.
Terrorism--India--Tripura.
Terrorism--India--Vadodara.
Terrorism--Indonesia
Terrorism--Indonesia--Bali Island.
Terrorism--Indonesia--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Indonesia--Papua.
Terrorism--Indonesia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Influence.
Terrorism--Information services--Planning.
Terrorism--Information services--Planning--Miscellanea.
Terrorism insurance
Terrorism insurance--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism insurance--Latin America.
Terrorism insurance--Law and legislation--United States.
Terrorism insurance--OECD countries.
Terrorism insurance--United States
Terrorism insurance--United States--Evaluation.
Terrorism--International cooperation.
Terrorism investigation.
Terrorism investigation--Drama.
Terrorism investigation--El Salvador.
Terrorism investigation--Europe.
Terrorism investigation--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism investigation--India--Bombay.
Terrorism investigation--India--History.
Terrorism investigation--Malawi.
Terrorism investigation--Moral and ethical aspects.
Terrorism investigation--New York (State)--New York--Case studies.
Terrorism investigation--Press coverage--Argentina.
Terrorism investigation--United States
Terrorism investigation--United States--Finance.
Terrorism--Iowa--Prevention.
Terrorism--Iran.
Terrorism--Iran--Planning.
Terrorism--Iran--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Iraq
Terrorism--Ireland.
Terrorism--Ireland--Drama.
Terrorism--Ireland--Fiction.
Terrorism--Ireland--History.
Terrorism--Ireland--History.
Terrorism--Ireland--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Islamic countries
Terrorism--Islamic countries--Congresses.
Terrorism--Islamic countries--Finance.
Terrorism--Islamic countries--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Islamic countries--Prevention.
Terrorism (Islamic law)
Terrorism--Israel.
Terrorism--Israel--Fiction.
Terrorism--Israel--Forecasting.
Terrorism--Israel--History.
Terrorism--Israel--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Israel--Prevention
Terrorism--Israel--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Israel--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Israel--Public opinion.
Terrorism--Israel--Śederot.
Terrorism--Italy.
Terrorism--Italy--20th century.
Terrorism--Italy--Bologna.
Terrorism--Italy--Case studies.
Terrorism--Italy--Congresses.
Terrorism--Italy--History
Terrorism--Italy--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Italy--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Italy--Milan--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Italy, Northern--History.
Terrorism--Italy--Palermo--History.
Terrorism--Italy--Piedmont--History.
Terrorism--Italy--Prevention.
Terrorism--Italy--Prevention--Sources.
Terrorism--Italy--Reggio Emilia.
Terrorism--Italy, Southern.
Terrorism--Italy--Trentino-Alto Adige.
Terrorism--Italy--Turin--History.
Terrorism--Italy--Turin--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Italy--Veneto--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Jamaica.
Terrorism--Japan
Terrorism--Japan.
Terrorism--Japan--History.
Terrorism--Japan--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Japan--Prevention.
Terrorism--Japan--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Kazakhstan--Prevention.
Terrorism--Kenya.
Terrorism--Kenya--Nairobi.
Terrorism--Kenya--Prevention.
Terrorism--Korea.
Terrorism--Korea (North)
Terrorism--Kosovo (Republic)
Terrorism--Kuwait.
Terrorism--Kyrgyzstan.
Terrorism--Latin America.
Terrorism--Latin America--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Latin America--Prevention.
Terrorism--Law and legislation.
Terrorism--Law and legislation--Israel.
Terrorism--Law and legislation--Peru.
Terrorism--Law and legislation--Russia (Federation)
Terrorism--Law and legislation--United States.
Terrorism--Lebanon.
Terrorism--Lebanon--Beirut.
Terrorism--Lebanon--Beirut--Case studies.
Terrorism--Lebanon--Beirut--Fiction.
Terrorism--Lebanon--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--Liberia.
Terrorism--Libya.
Terrorism--Libya--Congresses.
Terrorism--Libya--Defense measures--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism--Macedonia--History.
Terrorism--Madagascar.
Terrorism--Malay Archipelago--Prevention.
Terrorism--Malaysia.
Terrorism--Malta.
Terrorism--Maps.
Terrorism--Mediterranean Region--Case studies.
Terrorism--Mexico.
Terrorism--Mexico--Drama.
Terrorism--Michigan--Detroit.
Terrorism--Middle East.
Terrorism--Middle East--Finance.
Terrorism--Middle East--History.
Terrorism--Middle East--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Middle East--History--20th century--Miscellanea.
Terrorism--Middle East--History--21st century.
Terrorism--Middle East--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Middle East--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Middle East--Prevention.
Terrorism--Minnesota--Prevention.
Terrorism--Montenegro.
Terrorism--Moral and ethical aspects
Terrorism--Moral and ethical aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Morocco--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Mozambique.
Terrorism--Museums.
Terrorism--Namibia.
Terrorism--Nepal.
Terrorism--Netherlands.
Terrorism--Netherlands--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--New Mexico--Prevention.
Terrorism--New York.
Terrorism--New York City. International book series on
Terrorism.
Terrorism--New York (State)
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Audio-visual aids.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Drama.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Fiction.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--History.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Maps.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Pictorial works.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Prevention.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Prevention--Case studies.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Prevention--Fiction.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--New York (State)--New York--Public opinion.
Terrorism--New York (State)--Prevention.
Terrorism--Nicaragua.
Terrorism--Nicaragua--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Nigeria.
Terrorism--North America--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--1966-
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--Case studies.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--Congresses.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--History.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--Prevention.
Terrorism--Northern Ireland--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Norway--Lillehammer.
Terrorism--Oklahoma--Oklahoma City.
Terrorism on television.
Terrorism on television--Great Britain.
Terrorism--Pacific Area.
Terrorism--Pacific Area--Congresses.
Terrorism--Pacific Area--Prevention.
Terrorism--Pakistan.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Bengal.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Buner District.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Cases.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Federally Administered Tribal Areas.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Federally Administered Tribal Areas--Prevention.
Terrorism--Pakistan--History.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Karachi.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Prevention.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Religious aspects.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Religious aspects--Islam.
Terrorism--Pakistan--Sindh.
Terrorism--Palestine.
Terrorism--Palestine--Fiction.
Terrorism--Palestine--History.
Terrorism--Palestine--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Palestine--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Panama.
Terrorism--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Persian Gulf Region.
Terrorism--Persian Gulf Region--Prevention.
Terrorism--Persian Gulf States--Prevention.
Terrorism--Peru.
Terrorism--Peru--Accomarca (District)
Terrorism--Peru--Apurímac.
Terrorism--Peru--Ayacucho.
Terrorism--Peru--Ayacucho (Dept.)
Terrorism--Peru--Cayara.
Terrorism--Peru--Chuschi.
Terrorism--Peru--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Peru--History--20th century--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Peru--History--20th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Peru--History--20th century--Sources--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Peru--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Peru--Lima.
Terrorism--Peru--Puno (Dept.)
Terrorism--Peru--Quispillaccta.
Terrorism--Peru--Uchuraccay.
Terrorism--Philippines.
Terrorism--Philosophy
Terrorism--Philosophy--Congresses.
Terrorism--Pictorial works--Exhibitions.
Terrorism--Planning.
Terrorism--Poetry.
Terrorism--Poland.
Terrorism--Poland--History.
Terrorism--Political aspects.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Asia.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Brazil.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Canada.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Great Britain.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Great Britain--History--19th century.
Terrorism--Political aspects--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Southeast Asia.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Southeast Asia--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Spain.
Terrorism--Political aspects--Timor-Leste.
Terrorism--Political aspects--United States.
Terrorism--Portugal.
Terrorism--Press coverage.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Arab countries.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Case studies.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Colombia.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Colombia--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Congresses.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Egypt.
Terrorism--Press coverage--France.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Great Britain--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Press coverage--India.
Terrorism--Press coverage--India--Bombay.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Israel.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Italy.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Middle East.
Terrorism--Press coverage--New York (State)--New York.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Peru.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Press coverage--Turkey.
Terrorism--Press coverage--United States.
Terrorism--Press coverage--United States--Case studies.
Terrorism--Press coverage--United States--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Press coverage--United States--History--21st century.
Terrorism--Prevention.
War on Terrorism, 2001-2009.
Terrorism--Prevention
Terrorism prevention & control
Terrorism--prevention & control--Handbooks.
Terrorism--prevention & control--Popular Works.
Terrorism--prevention & control--United States.
Terrorism--prevention & control--United States--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Prevention--Afghanistan.
Terrorism--Prevention--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Prevention--Case studies.
Terrorism--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Cross-cultural studies.
Terrorism--Prevention--Databases.
Terrorism--Prevention--Drama.
Terrorism--Prevention--Economic aspects.
Terrorism--Prevention--Economic aspects--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Economic aspects--Washington (D.C.)
Terrorism--Prevention--Equipment and supplies--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Prevention--Equipment and supplies--Quality control.
Terrorism--Prevention--Europe.
Terrorism--Prevention--Europe--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Evaluation.
Federal aid to Terrorism prevention.
Terrorism--Prevention--Fiction.
Terrorism--Prevention--Finance.
Federal aid to Terrorism prevention.
Terrorism--Prevention--Finance--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Prevention--Germany.
Terrorism--Prevention--Germany--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Austria.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Bangladesh.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Canada.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Europe.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--European Union countries.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Germany.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Great Britain.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Greece.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Israel.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Kyrgyzstan.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Peru.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Russia (Federation)
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--Turkey.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Bibliography.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Evaluation.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Juvenile literature.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Prevention--Government policy--United States--Sources.
Terrorism--Prevention--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Prevention--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Prevention--India.
Terrorism--Prevention--Information resources management--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Information services.
Terrorism--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Prevention--International cooperation--Congresses
Terrorism--Prevention--International cooperation--Evaluation.
Terrorism--Prevention--International cooperation--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Prevention--Internatiuonal cooperation.
Terrorism--Prevention--Israel.
Terrorism--Prevention--Law and legislation.
Terrorism--Prevention--Law and legislation--China.
Terrorism--Prevention--Law and legislation--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Law and legislation--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Law and legislation--United States--Sources.
Terrorism--Prevention--Management.
Terrorism--Prevention--Military aspects--Peru.
Terrorism--Prevention--Moral and ethical aspects.
Terrorism--Prevention--Moral and ethical aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Prevention--Planning.
Terrorism--Prevention--Political aspects.
Terrorism--Prevention--Political aspects--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Research.
Terrorism--Prevention--Research--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Research--United States--Finance.
Terrorism--Prevention--Russia (Federation)
Terrorism--Prevention--Soviet Union.
Terrorism--Prevention--Spain--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Prevention--Study and teaching--United States--Finance.
Terrorism Prevention Technological innovations.
Terrorism--Prevention--Technological innovations--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--Technological innovations--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Prevention--Technological innovations--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--Turkey.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States--Congresses.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States--Evaluation.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States--Finance.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States--Periodicals.
Terrorism--Prevention--United States--Sources.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Case studies.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Drama.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Fiction.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Psychological aspects--Israel.
Terrorism--psychology.
Terrorism--psychology--New York City.
Terrorism--psychology--United States.
Terrorism--Public opinion.
Terrorism--Public opinion--United States.
Terrorism--Puerto Rico.
Québec (Province)--History--October Crisis, 1970
Terrorism--Québec (Province)--Case studies.
Terrorism--Québec (Province)--Montréal.
Terrorism--Religious aspects.
Religious militants.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Catholic Church.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Christianity
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--History.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--India.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Africa, West.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Biography.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Burma.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Congresses.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Economic aspects.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Finance.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--France.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Indonesia.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Italy.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Social aspects.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--South Asia.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Southeast Asia.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Spain--Madrid.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Islam--Yemen (Republic)
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Judaism.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Oumu Shinriyo.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Pakistan.
Terrorism--Religious aspects--Sikhism.
Terrorism--Research.
Terrorism--Research--Germany (West)
Terrorism--Research--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--Risk assessment--Congresses.
Terrorism--Risk assessment--Maps.
Terrorism--Risk assessment--United States.
Terrorism risk communication.
Terrorism risk communication--Study and teaching--United States--Finance.
Terrorism risk communication--United States.
Terrorism risk communication--United States--Data processing.
Terrorism risk communication--United States--Finance.
Terrorism insurance
Terrorism Risk Insurance Program (U.S.)
Terrorism Risk Insurance Program (U.S.)--Appropriations and expenditures.
Terrorism--Russia.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Beslan.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Budënnovsk.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Caucasus, Northern.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Caucasus, Northern--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Chechni︠a︡.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Chechni︠a︡--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Congresses.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--History.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Karelia.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Moscow.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Moscow--History.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Penza--Congresses.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Prevention.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Prevention--History.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Samara--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Siberia.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Siberia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia (Federation)--Starye Atagi.
Terrorism--Russia--History.
Terrorism--Russia--History--19th century.
Terrorism--Russia--History--19th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Russia--History--19th century--Fiction.
Terrorism--Russia--History--19th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Russia--History--20th century--Congresses.
Terrorism--Russia--History--20th century--Press coverage.
Terrorism--Russia--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia--History--Sources.
Terrorism--Russia, Southern--Fiction.
Terrorism--Sahara.
Terrorism--Sahel.
Terrorism--Sahel--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--Saudi Arabia.
Terrorism--Saudi Arabia.
Terrorism--Saudi Arabia--Finance.
Terrorism--Saudi Arabia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Scotland.
Terrorism--Security measures.
Terrorism--Security measures--United States.
Terrorism--Serbia.
Terrorism--Simulation methods.
Terrorism--Singapore.
Terrorism--Singapore--Prevention.
Terrorism--Social aspects.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Algeria--Fiction.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Commonwealth countries.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Congresses.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Egypt.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Germany (West)
Terrorism--Social aspects--Japan.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Philippines.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Singapore.
Terrorism--Social aspects--Turkey.
Terrorism--Social aspects--United States.
Terrorism--Social networks.
Terrorism--Societies, etc.--Directories.
Terrorism--Societies, etc.--Registers.
Terrorism--Somalia.
Terrorism--Somalia--History.
Terrorism--Somalia--Prevention.
Terrorism--Sources.
Terrorism--South Africa.
Terrorism--South Africa--Fiction.
Terrorism--South Africa--History--20th century.
Terrorism--South Africa--History--Chronology.
Terrorism--South Africa--Prevention.
Terrorism--South Africa--Religious aspects--Calvinists.
Terrorism--South America--Fiction.
Terrorism--South Asia
Terrorism--South Asia--Congresses.
Terrorism--South Asia--History.
Terrorism--South Asia--History--20th century--Chronology.
Terrorism--South Asia--Literary collections.
Terrorism--South Asia--Periodicals.
Terrorism--South Asia--Prevention.
Terrorism--South Asia--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--Southeast Asia
Terrorism--Southeast Asia--Congresses.
Terrorism--Southeast Asia--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Southern Cone of South America.
Terrorism--Southwestern States.
Terrorism--Soviet Union
Terrorism--Soviet Union--History.
Terrorism--Soviet Union--History--19th century.
Terrorism--Soviet Union--History--Congresses.
Terrorism--Soviet Union--Prevention.
Terrorism--Soviet Union--Prevention--History.
Terrorism--Soviet Union--Sources.
Terrorism--Spain.
Terrorism--Spain--Barcelona.
Terrorism--Spain--Bilbao--Fiction.
Terrorism--Spain--Catalonia.
Terrorism--Spain--Dictionaries--Spanish.
Terrorism--Spain--Drama.
Terrorism--Spain--Fiction.
Terrorism--Spain--History.
Terrorism--Spain--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Spain--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Spain--Madrid.
Terrorism--Spain--País Vasco
Terrorism--Spain--País Vasco--History.
Terrorism--Spain--País Vasco--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Spain--Prevention.
Terrorism--Sri Lanka.
Terrorism--Sri Lanka--Congresses.
Terrorism--Sri Lanka--Prevention.
Terrorism--Statistics.
Terrorism Study and teaching United States.
Terrorism--Sudan.
Terrorism--Sudan--History.
Terrorism--Sudan--Khartoum--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Syria.
Terrorism--Tanzania--Dar es Salaam.
Terrorism--Tarai (India and Nepal)
Terrorism--Technological innovations.
Terrorism--Technological innovations--United States.
Terrorism--Thailand, Southern--Prevention.
Terrorism--Timor-Leste.
Terrorism--Tunisia.
Terrorism--Turkey.
Terrorism--Turkey--1980-2007.
Terrorism--Turkey--Batman İli.
Terrorism--Turkey--Congresses.
Terrorism--Turkey, Eastern.
Terrorism--Turkey--Hakkari.
Terrorism--Turkey--History.
Terrorism--Turkey--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Turkey--History--Congresses.
Terrorism--Turkey--Istanbul.
Terrorism--Turkey--Istanbul--19th century--Sources.
Terrorism Turkey Prevention.
Terrorism--Turkey--Sivas.
Terrorism--Turkey--Sources.
Terrorism--Turkey--Statistics.
Terrorism--Turkmenistan.
Terrorism--Uganda.
Terrorism--Ukraine.
Terrorism--Ukraine--History.
Terrorism--Ukraine--History--19th century.
Terrorism--Ukraine--History--19th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Ukraine--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Ukraine--History--20th century--Sources.
Terrorism--Ukraine--Volhynia--History.
Terrorism--Ulster (Northern Ireland and Ireland)
Terrorism--Ulster (Northern Ireland and Ireland)--History--20th century.
Terrorism--United Arab Emirates--Prevention.
Terrorism--United States.
Terrorism--United States--Archives.
Terrorism--United States--Bibliography.
Terrorism--United States--Bibliography--Catalogs.
Terrorism--United States--Case studies.
Terrorism--United States--Case Studies.
Terrorism--United States--Cases.
Terrorism--United States--Comic books, strips, etc.
Terrorism--United States--Computer simulation.
Terrorism--United States--Congresses.
Terrorism--United States--Databases.
Terrorism--United States--Drama.
Terrorism--United States--Fiction
Terrorism--United States--Finance.
Terrorism--United States--Finance--Prevention.
Terrorism--United States--Forecasting.
Terrorism--United States--Handbooks.
Terrorism--United States--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism United States History.
Terrorism--United States--History--20th century.
Terrorism--United States--History--20th century--Chronology.
Terrorism--United States--History--21st century--Chronology.
Terrorism--United States--History and criticism.
Terrorism--United States--History--Bibliography.
Terrorism--United States--History--Sources.
Terrorism--United States--Information resources.
Terrorism--United States--Library resources.
Terrorism--United States--Mathematical models.
Terrorism--United States--Periodicals.
Terrorism--United States--Periodicals.
Terrorism--United States--Planning.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Accounting.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Bibliography.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Case studies.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Citizen participation.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Citizen participation--Periodicals.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Congresses.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Data processing.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Data processing--Finance.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Evaluation.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Finance--Accounting.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Government policy.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Handbooks, manuals, etc.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--History.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Humor.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Information services.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Information services--Management.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--International cooperation.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Management.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Periodicals.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Pictorial works.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Planning.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Social aspects.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Statistical methods.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Statistics.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Technological innovations.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Technological innovations--Finance.
Terrorism--United States--Prevention--Textbooks.
Terrorism--United States--Programmed instruction.
Terrorism United States Psychological aspects.
Terrorism--United States--Public opinion.
Terrorism--United States--Safety measures.
Terrorism--United States--Sources.
Terrorism--United States--States.
Terrorism--United States--States--Prevention.
Terrorism--United States--States--Prevention--Citizen participation.
Terrorism--United States--States--Prevention--Citizen participation--Periodicals.
Terrorism--United States--States--Prevention--Equipment and supplies.
Terrorism--United States--States--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism United States Statistics.
Terrorism--United States--Statistics--Evaluation.
Terrorism--Uruguay.
Terrorism--Uruguay--Congresses.
Terrorism--Uruguay--History--20th century.
Terrorism--Utah--Prevention.
Terrorism--Uzbekistan.
Terrorism--Venezuela.
Terrorism--Venezuela--Case studies.
Terrorism--Venezuela--History--20th century.
Victims of Terrorism.
Terrorism victims' families.
Terrorism victims' families--Argentina--Biography.
Terrorism victims' families--Drama.
Terrorism victims' families--El Salvador--Pictorial works.
Terrorism victims' families--Fiction.
Terrorism victims' families--Government policy--United States.
Terrorism victims' families--India--Bombay.
Terrorism victims' families--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States.
Terrorism victims' families--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States--History.
Terrorism victims' families--New Jersey.
Terrorism victims' families--New Jersey--Middletown.
Terrorism victims' families--New York (State)--New York.
Terrorism victims' families--Political activity--United States.
Terrorism victims' families--Services for.
Terrorism victims' families--Services for--United States.
Terrorism victims' families--Services for--United States--Finance.
Terrorism victims' families--Spain.
Terrorism victims' families--United States.
Terrorism--Vietnam.
Terrorism--Virginia.
Terrorism--Virginia--Arlington.
Terrorism--Virginia--Arlington County. War on
Terrorism, 2001-2009.
Terrorism Washington (D.C.)
Terrorism--Washington (D.C.)--Prevention.
Terrorism--Washington (D.C.)--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--Washington Metropolitan Area--Prevention.
Terrorism--Washington Region--Prevention.
Terrorism--Washington Region--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--West Bank.
Terrorism--West Bank--Case studies.
Terrorism--West (U.S.)--Prevention.
Terrorism--Western Hemisphere.
Terrorism--Yemen--History.
Terrorism--Yemen (Republic)
Terrorism--Yemen (Republic)--Prevention--Finance.
Terrorism--Yugoslavia.
Terrorism--Yugoslavia--Fiction.
Terrorism--Zimbabwe.
Terrorism--Zimbabwe--Shangani River Valley--History.

It seems to me that there are no subjects here that can correspond to this article. (Note: I did a similar search for Communism, but I omit it here for the sake of brevity. Will you believe me that I found no association?)

Is this rationale enough for this article to be deleted as a synthesis of topics not usually synthesized? There seems to be natural homes for all of the information contained in the article.

Thoughts?

jps (talk) 01:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

It is rational enough for me. TFD (talk) 01:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

And for me. Sayerslle (talk) 02:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily. This catalogue may reflect the opinion of some concrete librarians. (By writing that I do not claim that Communist terrorism is a notable concept, just that the library catalogue is not the best criterion).--Paul Siebert (talk) 02:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Considering that there are in excess of 1000 terrorism-related subjects, I'm having a hard time imagining that a librarian is preferentially censoring particular topics of interest. I believe that the Columbia University Libraries are, in fact, using the Library of Congress subject headings as a starting point and then subdividing them further according to the books available. Are you really saying that you think the Columbia University Librarians are inherently biased against this subject? jps (talk) 02:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think this an unreliable methodology too. In any case this is WP:OR, whereas the 'Google test' is at least recognised (perhaps wrongly) as a 'source' for comparing usages. An interesting idea, but not much use. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that WP:OR doesn't apply to determining in deletion discussions whether a topic is itself a synthesis. At least, I've never come across such an argument at WP:AfD. Can you show me an example where someone said we shouldn't do a search of a library catalog because its original research? jps (talk) 02:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

No, I can't. If I'd seen anyone using this argument, I'd have suggested it was OR though (or at least I hope I would). The point is that you are doing a single test, with unique data. If you don't like the result, you needn't report it. As such, the methodology is perhaps suspect. I'm not in any way suggesting that your intent was anything but honourable, but merely that others might choose to misuse techniques like this. Personally, I think that even the Google test is risky for contentious issues, as has been shown in regard to debates on the topic of this article, and related ones.

The problem is that using this method you are essentially checking to see whether the terms you use to describe a topic match those of a single librarian, rather than whether the topic itself is included. At least with Google, you are sampling authors rather than librarians: a larger sample size AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

well, without commenting further, I'll point out that university librarians are trained and hired to create comprehensive holdings: a research university in particular takes a tremendous amount of pride in the completeness of its library, and any librarian who tried to 'censor the stacks' would get caught sooner or later (by some irate professor trying to research some obscure topic), and assuming s/he wasn't actually tarred and feathered you can bet s/he would never work in a university setting again. There are a number of reasons why library holdings might fall short of the ideal goal, but you can be fairly certain that bias is not on the list. that would be a career-ender. --Ludwigs2 03:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you're missing the point Ludwigs. I'm not saying that a library won't hold books on a particular topic. All I'm saying is that they may not classify books according to the words you are searching for: looking at the list, it seems largely to be classification by region, rather than by politics (probably easier to do). Remember, the list is of book categories according to the library system, not book contents, which the Google method at least approximates to. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

That's a fair a posteriori criticism, Andy. You just have to trust that I would have reported my findings if I had found Communist terrorism listed (or even something that was vaguely similar). jps (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your findings strongly suggest, that the article should be going → this way. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The idea that WP should be restricted to 1000 topics is interesting. It also means more than 2 million articles should be excised. Assuming that we should not excise 2 million articles also implies that restricting WP to 1000 topics is absurd. Collect (talk) 11:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The idea is not to restrict the entire encyclopedia to 1000 topics. The idea is to restrict the entire collection of topics relating to terrorism to something on the order of 1000. We don't yet have nearly that many (note that a great deal of the pages listed there are in multiple terrorism categories and the library doesn't, for example, list a topic for every single terrorist incident, victim, or perpetrator though we have all these folded into our top-level categorization of articles). jps (talk) 13:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

the 1000 number is just the catalog listings for terrorism related topics at a university library. it was included to show that communist terrorism is not even on that protracted list, and was not intended as a suggestion for how wikipedia should structure itself. --Ludwigs2 13:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The fact that communist terrorism is not on that list is irrelevant. It doesn't mean there's nothing on it; it's just it's probably unde Terrorism--Political aspects, for which there are no subsets by ideology, not 'communist', not 'left-wing', not any except by country, region and time. Munci (talk) 17:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Protected

Article is fully protected until the end of the AfD. It is disruptive to have large changes in the article made with no talk consensus while an AfD is running. The WP:1RR rule which is now in effect has had little benefit since the proponents of each side appear to be taking turns in reverting the article. If consensus is reached on talk (or at the AfD) for any change, it can be requested using {{editprotect}}. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

ah, me - what a world we live in... --Ludwigs2 04:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

opportunity knocks

Since the page is now fully protected, and we seem to have some free time while the AfD plays out, I'm going to make an offer. If anyone wants to make an argument to reinsert specific sections or passages from the moved material, I'm listening. Convince me (through sourcing and reasoned argument) that the material belongs on this page, and I will make the edit request to have it put back in myself.

Anyone who earnestly wants to work on this with me will earn my respect, as well as a whole lot of AGF points (you never know when those are going to come in handy). Any takers? --Ludwigs2 04:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Gosh - you are "Supreme Commander"? <g>. Not. The point is that the LWT article is, and was intended as, a POVfork. The material therein is intended to be removed from LWT as soon as this article "goes away" - if you read the inter-editor posts, this would have been clear to you some time ago. The only way to preserve this material is to preserve this article. Thanks. Collect (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeeeaaaahhhh... that was not an earnest attempt at improving the encyclopedia; that was more on the order of a cynical rant. Collect, if you refuse to allow the possibility that other editors might be operating in good faith, please say so now, explicitly, so that I can ask an admin to indef-block you - that's a bad violation of the project's core principles. Otherwise, please have a little good faith and assume that I am actually trying to improve the encyclopedia. work with me, or step aside so that others can work with me, but don't get in my way just to be ornery. --Ludwigs2 13:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Collect, are you saying that LWT and CT are the same concept and therefore there should be only one article? TFD (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I am saying that LWT is a POVfork, and a deliberate POVfork, of the CT article. And that the material which was derided as SYNTH when in the CT article is now in the LWT article. Did the SYN go away when it was moved? Collect (talk) 16:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

If it is a POV fork, then the two articles should be merged. The choice of title should be based on "the name which is most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article." (See: WP:NAME.) TFD (talk) 16:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Read WP policies about deliberate POVforks. It is the POVfork which ought to be deleted, not the parent article to which the editing history attaches which should be deleted. Wikipedia does not view article forking as an acceptable solution to disagreements between contributors Recall that the attempt to rename was rejected. Collect (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You should read WP:POVFORK: "POV forks generally arise when contributors disagree about the content of an article or other page. Instead of resolving that disagreement by consensus, another version of the article (or another article on the same subject) is created to be developed according to a particular point of view." What specific content dispute are you referring to? TFD (talk) 17:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

@TFD: please do me a favor - I'd like this section to be solely for discussion about adding article content. let's try not to perpetuate the same pointless arguments that fill the rest of the talk page. ok?

@Collect: you seem to be convinced that 'left-wing terrorism' is less neutral than 'communist terrorism'. can you explain why? --Ludwigs2 17:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I made no such comment. I stated, and have repeatedly stated, that creation of a POVfork was contrary to WP policy. The renaming failed, so that is rather quite beside the point. Collect (talk) 17:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Collect, If you genuinely believe that the actions taken here are contrary to WP policy, then the proper thing to do is to take the issue to arbitration. If you do not, then maybe you just need to drop the matter. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

let's keep this section strictly civil, please
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Can I suggest that now Collect has made perfectly clear he has no interest in the article content, but just wants to go on endlessly about abstract questions of procedure, we just ignore him? AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

How is it contrary to policy, then? For the sake of argument, one of these two cases must be true:

We have two separate concepts in the real world (communist and left wing terrorism), which deserve separate articles. In that case, we discuss which article is better suited for each particular source, and move sources around accordingly.
We have one single concept which should be in one article. In that case, we discuss which title is the more appropriate, descriptive and neutral title, and rename the article accordingly.

If it's the first case, then we should start discussing which source belongs where (as I am trying to do here). If it's the second case, we should start discussing which title is more appropriate and neutral. You tell me which case you think is true, and we'll start with that. --Ludwigs2 19:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Renaming was discussed and defeated in this article. That is, consensus was not in favor of renaming this article. Put another way, the use of a different name for this article was discussed and defeated. Is this clear? Collect (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You know collect you are still being obdurate in refusing to answer the questions that were raised above. You were more or less told to do that when you tried an etiquette appeal. Again above you are avoiding Ludwigs's attempt to get some focus on content. You seem to be operating of the principle that if you keep saying something it will a true, it might work in the short term but sooner or later you will have to engage with the arguments --Snowded ^TALK 19:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Just to put a horse to rest, as well - what previously happened was a vote, this is an attempt at a consensus discussion. consensus discussions always trump votes - see wp:consensus. Now, if you would answer my question above, we can get on with the discussion. --Ludwigs2 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Well -- see whether the AfD says the title is wrong then. Having multiple simultaneous things going on seldom is wise. Collect (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Whether the AfD succeeds or not is irrelevant to the need for you to respond to the questions raised. --Snowded ^TALK 20:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Collect - AfD is another vote: I am interested in having a discussion to resolve the issue, and that will certainly trump whatever decision comes out of AfD. are you saying that you refuse to engage in good faith consensus discussion? --Ludwigs2 20:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Alright, apparently Collect has decided he does not want to engage in consensus discussion. That means we can safely ignore his opinion until and unless he changes his mind. is there anyone else who would like to discuss the reinsertion of material in this article?

Kindly remove personal attack above. Collect (talk) 13:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

No. Engage in discussion properly, or be ignored; there is no third choice. If you cannot provide a reasoned, sourced argument to support your position that is entirely your problem, and I am not inclined to listen to you continue to whine about procedure because you can't hold up your side of the debate.

Allow me to be perfectly frank, Collect. If you discuss the matter with me there's a possibility that we will reach a mutually acceptable result - I'm always reasonable about productive conversation, and I am trying very hard to work through this problem sensibly. However, if you keep up with the angry fist-pounding routine you've displayed thus far (e.g., your copious comments about how others are violating policy, disobeying consensus, or generally being mean to you), you're not going to make any headway. I am very stubborn about being reasonable, and emotional gambits like that have no traction on me. You can work with me or you can go away, as you choose, but trying to stonewall me is a headache that you are probably not prepared to deal with. --Ludwigs2 15:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Please note - if this article survives the AfD, I still will not allow material to be moved back into it so long as I am convinced it represents synthesis. Someone is going to need to convince me otherwise. we can have that discussion now while we're waiting, or we can have it later, but we will discuss the matter. this will not be decided on the basis of some bureaucratic silliness. --Ludwigs2 21:20, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey -- I am defending consensus - remember that the consensus was not to change the article name. As for SYNTH - why not delete the material you feel is SYNTH from the LWT article first? If it is not SYNTH there, then you can hardly claim it is SYNTH here. Collect (talk) 03:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Consensus is not a thing, it's an ongoing process. There is obviously not a stable consensus on this page, or there wouldn't be so may editors arguing on both sides. If nothing else, the fact that eh page is currently locked and under dispute should tell you that none of the recent versions enjoy anything like a full consensus. that is why we need to discuss the matter.

This article was stable for more than three years. Seems that "instant consensus" by fiat is not valid in such a case. Collect (talk) 13:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure if we listen carefully we'll hear the entire internet weeping... Collect - three years of established synthesis is an embarrassment to the project, not a credit to the article. Get your head out of the past and into the present; stop trying to resurrect the old article with all its synthesis and start talking about what we're going to do with the article now. --Ludwigs2 15:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well -- since NO significant comments were made about SYNTH in those three years, I would suggest that your claim is quite moot. As for your supercilious comments about me - your refusal to redact reflects quite poorly on yor etiquette on WP at the very least. As for "resurrecting" an article which it appears many felt was reasonable - seems that this is not a case of me having my head in the sand. Collect (talk) 15:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not in a position to comment on the inadequacies of the editors who worked on this page for those three years. I am in a position to comment on the inadequacies of your reasoning on this page. enough said. --Ludwigs2 16:42, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

with respect to your other point, synthesis is (obviously) dependent on context. The synthesis on this page lay in the effort on the part of wikipedia editors to trace terrorism back to some purported roots in Marxist theory. The left-wing terrorism page does not suffer that ill to quite the same extent because it's harder to suggest the connection implicitly. with that page title, one needs to actually spell out the connection to marxism explicitly, using sources. 'Revolutionary terrorism' would be an even better title, for the same reason (and would be much easier to source as well). On wikipedia we want to avoid making implicit arguments and stick to reporting explicit arguments that are present in sources. or do you disagree? --Ludwigs2 03:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The only option left that I can see for this article is that it be moved to Communism and terrorism or Marxism and terrorism. Someone would have to write it though. The article would need to focus on the fact that Communists, i.e, Bolsheviks and orthodox Marxists, rejected and condemned the terrorist tactics of Anarchists and Russian Socialist Revolutionaries (SR Combat Organization) and their predecessors the Narodnaya Volya. The problem with this approach is the likely reemergence of the synthesis equating Terror and Terrorism. We would need to keep the topic of "Communism and terror" in the article on Revolutionary terror. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not too fond of 'and' names (which carry their own peculiar brand of synthesis). Right now I'm trying to determine whether there is sufficient sourcing to maintain a separate article, or whether this and left-wing terrorism should both just be reintegrated into the section on 'revolutionary terror'. As far as I can tell from the sources that have been provided thus far, there's almost no specific, non-synthetic references for communist terrorism in the literature - I'm not sure where we got an article on it in the first place. The other option is to listify it - 'List of communist groups identified with terrorism', say. That actually has some appeal, because it would remove the worst forms of synthesis (where editors try to assert that there's something about communism itself that leads to terrorism. The original version of this page was pretty much a list anyway. --Ludwigs2 23:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

The problem with a list is defining objective criteria for inclusion. Ignoring for the moment what 'identified with terrorism' means, I can see scope for endless arguments about which group is or isn't 'communist'. Unless we can find external criteria in WP:RS, drawing up our own criteria will be getting perilously close to synthesis itself. Probably the only criteria that would work would be self-identification, but even that is problematic, as earlier versions of this article demonstrated. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

No question, but I don't think you'll ever get any version of this article that doesn't have someone pushing some polemic. At least as a list we'd avoid the overarching synthesis that there's some theoretical factor binding these groups together.--Ludwigs2 23:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)