Talk:Conservative holiness movement

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Duplicate?[edit]

How does this differ from the Holiness movement? The article isn't really clear as to the differences. Perhaps this article should be merged with the Holiness movement article. KHM03 15:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not a duplicate. The Holiness Movement article refered to is a general overview of the Holiness Movement of which the Conservative Holiness Movement would be a part.

POV[edit]

I went through and changed a number of references from "liberal" holiness groups (Nazarenes, Wesleyans, etc.) to "mainstream" holiness groups. In addition to the negative connotations of "liberal" from the "conservative" point of view, there were a few places I simply erased that were flat out dogging the mainstream holiness groups.JasonMiller 04:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! :) MWTallman (talk) 02:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your implication that Conservative Holiness Churches are NOT mainstream is in itself a negative connotation! Both conservative and non-conservative Holiness churches ARE Mainstream. Neither group are cults. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.137.100.22 (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bias Commenting[edit]

I am the original author of this content, I have once again cleaned up the biased commenting related to this article and will continue to do so.

Please keep this article as neutral as possible!

Consider the following lines:

"Although in recent years, more and more churches are tending more toward the mainstream, seeking common ground with the very churches they left to make the movement fit in this present age by focusing on bigger numbers and self-pleasure."

"The movement itself is somewhat isolated from liberal holiness groups due to its stance on holy living (dress, fashion, and entertainment). Although in recent years, more and more churches are tending more toward the liberal, leaving the teachings of Scripture behind and following the present world."

These comments are entirely biased and condescending. We are not trying to debate here. This article seeks to define the CHM, it's beliefs and distinctions. That is it. Both sides exist because of fundemental differences and more obviously, both sides genuinely believe their side to be right. We are defining the movement itself, not defining the movement to start an argument.

Please keep biased and argumentative comments off this article and stop hijacking this post! Comments such as this only isolates this post, and come across as merely subjective. Thanks!

MWTallman (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The treatment of "liberal" holiness churches at the start of the article is quite condescending (I am not a member of the Holiness movement at all). Please consider changing that paragraph. Spirochaete (talk) 15:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV Tag added[edit]

As a Christian, but complete outsider, I find the current article biased toward the "mainstream" holiness groups. For example, to say that there is little difference between the conservative and mainstream groups does little to explain the difference, and implies prudishness on the part of the "conservatives" Also, I find the the consistent use of "mainstream" also to be biasing. Some alternative between "mainstream" and "liberal" needs to be selected. Theriddles

NPOV tag has been removed as biased commenting has been removed from the article. The article seeks to define the "conservative" movement as it compares to it's "mainstream" counter-part. The article references "come outers" and this should describe the difference between "conservative" and "mainstream". The word "liberal" has been removed as it defines a group in a biased fashion.

MWTallman (talk) 02:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization cleanup[edit]

I will edit this article according to Wikipedia mos. This is a movement, not an organized church, and should reflect mos guidelines. R/T-รัก-ไทย (talk) 04:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holiness "Movement"[edit]

Some Holiness people object to the term "movement" referring to their beliefs, as the word seems to infer a short term radical group i.e. 'the civil rights movement' or 'the free speech movement', not a enduring understanding of Scriptural Truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.137.100.22 (talk) 20:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that "movement" is just a generic term that describes an unofficial change in attitudes by many people, perhaps unconnected. A good example would be Evangelicalism as it is doesn't fit into an organized "movement" but can be described as a definite change in opinion in many ways. Littledj95 (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Revision[edit]

Since the last real discussion about this page took place five years ago, would anyone mind if I took a stab at editing? Thanks. Creton4 (talk) 20:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone is always welcome to edit, but you should discuss any major reorganizations on the Talk page. Editor2020, Talk 05:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. Creton4 (talk) 03:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

When reading this as a part of the Holiness Movement, there were a few things I wondered if were accurate, or could have been worded better? Here is the specific section I am referring to. "wearing short sleeves (most recommending the sleeve to be at or below the elbow),The avoidance of bowling allies and skating rinks, and the condemnation of professional sports, especially on the Sunday Sabbath." It would seem that many within the "CHM" would not necessarily have a problem with at least some of these things, and this is a page to be informative of a group... Would a reword of these things be best?

Athanasious0 (talk) 19:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)Athanasious0[reply]

Central Yearly Meeting of Friends[edit]

The Central Yearly Meeting of Friends appears on the list of Conservative Holiness denominations.

The footnote leads to a dead link.

The [article] for the Meeting says it is Quaker and Evangelical, two threads distinct from the Holiness movement, conservative or otherwise.

I suggest the Meeting is not a Conservative Holiness denomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:3E0B:BA00:9DBE:9C7F:5B83:9D5C (talk) 19:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Erroneous additions by 68.102.175.172 / 2600:8803:7c8c:5500:7533:d5a:70dd:28ea[edit]

IP editor 68.102.175.172 / 2600:8803:7c8c:5500:7533:d5a:70dd:28ea has been added denominations that are not a part of the CHM here, like the Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas, which is a Holiness Pentecostal church, and the Original Church of God or Sanctified Church, which is a mainstream church in the Holiness Movement. CHM denominations are quite different from denominations in the Holiness Movement, with the CHM teaching strict dress standards like not wearing wedding rings and having to wearing full-length sleeves/pants/dresses. CHM denominations are even more different than Pentecostal churches because they explicitly reject tongues, which all Pentecostal denominations teach. The links added by 68.102.175.172 / 2600:8803:7c8c:5500:7533:d5a:70dd:28ea introduce misinformation into this article and violate WP:RS. Another editor and I have reverted them recently on it. Ramos1990 (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]