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Vandalism

The map of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic is provided by objective sources this is noted in the infobox of the picture itself, but here it is again [1] [2]. As conclusion this map is backed up by objective sources and thus allowed for usage. However Sardur has been engaged in a edit war [3] [4] [5]. Without any discussions he has been continuing to vandalize this article. Baku87 (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You're the one vandalising the article with this propaganda map, which is not backed by these sources as you pretend. And btw, what is the use of having this map in this article ? Sardur (talk) 22:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Watch your accusations, you are ignoring the given sources. as I told you above in my comment the sources are: Source 1 Source 2. The map is added because its relevant to the given subject that is Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. Baku87 (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
First the topic is culture, not the ADR, so this map, in top of its inacurracy, is off-topic here.. Second, as several contributors have told you, these two sources do not support what you claim they are. Watch your accusations first. Sardur (talk) 14:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Dubious map was removed. VartanM (talk) 21:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Move: Azerbaijani culture by Aydan

I moved the article to Azerbaijani culture as this also related to ethnic Azerbaijanis outside the republic. Baku87 (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Repeated deletion

Meowy, enough messing around. I may notify you that Nakhchivan references include a couple of Armenian sources, particularly Ministry of Foreign Affairs and All Armenian Mass Media Association. Instead I have not spotted a single source that this is an "Azerbaijani propagandistic lies", which did not take place. The Council of Europe would rather not publish "obnoxious propaganda", would it? Brand[t] 09:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Lol, don't you have better things to do than pushing official state propaganda's all over the place? I thought that Kalbajar, Lachin, Zangelan, Agdam, Fizuli etc. were not part of NK. You are not telling the truth here, you have not provided a single source which can be considered as 3rd party. The Council of Europe would actually publish obnoxious propaganda, any delegation by any country can provide during a session propaganda material. The reference used here is one such cases presented by Mr. Huseynov from the Azeri delegation [6]. The source only support that such a claim was made by the Azeri delegation, the identical claim was also submitted as soon as 1996 by Azerbaijan to the UN, that one you source is just a reedition, here another. The only other source you provide is from Dilaver Azimli, Candidate of Historical Sciences and scientific collaborator of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan. This includes the ridiculous 1,650 monuments of Azerbaijani culture, NK must've been somewhere like Rome or Athene with over a thousand of monument lol. But what takes probably the price is The occupation caused the razing of the Bronze Age monuments at Khojaly Barrow Field with about one hundred barrows. Bronze age Azerbaijani monuments,... so, lets resume, two extremly unreliable sources when most of the claimed monuments are in places outside of NK anyway, and will you then pretend that you are editing in good faith? Let me guess now, if someone revert, you or someone else will revert for having reverted sourced material, if it's a new user, he's a sock of a banned user..., if he is not, he is reported to be restricted under AA2... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papabu (talk • contribs) 01:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the two sources I provided are more reliable than many Armenian ones, used throughout several AA articles. An involved country, in our case Azerbaijan, is naturally more familiar with its own heritage, than any outside observer. You yourself outlined, that Azimli is a Candidate of Historical Sciences and scientific collaborator of Azerbaijan's Academy of Sciences. Meanwhile I see no evidence, which somehow indicates a propaganda, especially obnoxious. Brand[t] 18:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

That's freakingly funny!!! You must be kidding!!! Political sources under policy do not qualify as RS, we're not even talking about Azeri scholars, but official documents published by a country at war against the accused side. The Azerbaijan's Academy of Science is an organe of the government, one exemple is Ziya Bunyadov work which was exposed as being fraudulent. You have also not said anything about your wrong and misleading edit summary, which is claimed that the sources are 3rd party, neither about the claim that a bronze age monument is Azerbaijani. Keep pushing state level propaganda's, editors like you are the flowers of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papabu (talk • contribs) 18:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The sources that have been used to buttress the section on the "destruction" of cultural heritage cannot possibly be considered to fall under WP:RS. The evidence has been submitted by Azerbaijani political officials working at the behest of their government. As is well-known, Azerbaijan, while systematically destroying the cultural heritage of others in the territory it holds, repeatedly alleges that Armenians are destroying cultural monuments or torching forests, often without the confirmation of any outside parties. The destruction of the khachkars in Nakhichevan has been documented by international organizations such as UNESCO and ICOMOS, university professors, and foreign correspondents and has even received enough attention among political circles in Europe to propose the formulation of a fact-finding trip. In contrast, no such statements from similar organizations or individuals has been forthcoming in regards to the claims that these politicians are making. The fact that such meticulous figures are cited (100, 1,650, 127) without any mention of how they were collected lends even more credence to the belief that this is just simple fabrication. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 18:48, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
If you doubt, submit them to WP:RS. It is the natural onus of national authorities to investigate such issues. Brandmeister[t] 08:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Title-subject

This article introduction suggest that it's about the culture of the Turkic Azeri population, while the at the same time, suggesting it's about the people which populated the region currently part of Azerbaijan. The title is misleading, the subject is a mixture of several unrelated points and subjects. For example, the picture of the Church of Kish, the Arabs and Islam in the 7th century, etc. and etc. Ionidasz (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Petroglyphs in Gobustan dating back to 10,000 BC indicating a thriving culture. Do I need to add more? Ionidasz (talk) 19:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The lead and history need some revamping towards demonstration of cultural trends under foreign rule. I think the tag could be removed after that. Brandmeister[t] 19:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
With the current title, that would be mission impossible, it's like going back in the age of the Hittits or even before to demonstrate a cultural trend in an article about Armenian culture. The first move would be to move it to Cultures of Azerbaijan. Ionidasz (talk) 00:55, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Moving back to Culture of Azerbaijan could be good for consistency with other national culture pages. Brandmeister[t] 04:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

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