Talk:Daniel Everett

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New Yorker article link[edit]

The link to reference #2 (the alleged New Yorker Article) is dead. --24.106.177.227 (talk) 05:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried it, and it worked for me. In any case, the citation would still be valid, since a source need not be online to be cited. TimidGuy (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The information contained in this article with respect to Everette's contributions to the field is strongly biased in his favor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.207.175 (talk) 12:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oro Win discovered in 1993 or 1994?[edit]

This article claims that Everett “discovered” Oro Win in 1993. However, when reading the source provided, I get the impression that the correct year is 1994 – which is also what Pirahã language says. However, I am not a native speaker of English, so could somebody please check if my interpretation of last spring and last January through July below is the intended one:

University Times VOLUME 27 NUMBER 4 OCTOBER 13, 1994

Linguistics professor discovers new language in Brazilian rain forest

Pitt linguistics department chairperson Daniel Everett found a new sound and a whole new language last spring in the Brazilian rain forest.

[...]

Everett came across the Oro Win language while spending his sabbatical last January through July among Amazonian tribes.

--Thüringer ☼ (talk) 13:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Religion[edit]

Luigi da Montalto removed the religion section, but I readded it and changed a few things (added a new source). It deserves mention 1. because his career as a linguist started out as a Christian missionary 2. he lost his faith directly through his experiences as a linguist, therefore it is important in an overview of him and his career as a linguist. 78.146.194.150 (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DOB[edit]

Date of Birth needs new citation. Current one is primary source Curriculum Vitae, and broken link. Found new one for CV but doubtful this is both needed and valid for one. Perhaps it should just be removed. Theoretick (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wolfe demoted[edit]

I demoted mention of the Wolfe book from the lead for undue prominence. Additionally, I would say that this book is rather unsympathetic, and that Everett was plenty notable before Wolfe entered the picture / muddied the waters.

His white suit unsullied by research, Tom Wolfe tries to take down Charles Darwin and Noam Chomsky — 11 August 2016 by Jerry Coyne

But sometimes his style shrouds both a mean-spiritedness — for Wolfe has the talent to make anyone look bad — and a superficial take on his subject. "Painted Word" and "Bauhaus" for instance, were criticized for their ignorance of art. Sadly, his latest book, "The Kingdom of Speech," suffers from the same mix of sarcasm and ignorance, this time in attacking the claim that human language is partly a product of biological evolution.

Coyne is himself a controversial figure in some quarters. I merely put this forward to indicate that Wolfe's view of Everett should not be a fixture of Everett's lead, before he's been fully introduced on his own terms. (Would we put a book by Coyne in Wolfe's lead?) — MaxEnt 12:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

freezer[edit]

https://www.facebook.com/dan.everett.1884/posts/195614532735368 On 17 November 2021 Daniel Everett wrote in a public message:

"I just saw some quote on me having a freezer stocked with ice cream in the village. I don’t recall ever having had ice cream in the village (I don’t even like ice cream and rarely eat it). There was a freezer, but it was used for (i) storing medicine; (ii) storing big chunks of meat that the Pirahas brought us for trade (like 20 lbs worth); (iii) occasional leftovers. I had a very small Honda generator that I ran for one hour in the morning and one in the evening and kept a bucket of frozen river water in the freezer. That was enough to keep it cold enough to store things. Where do people get these stories? Why do people tell these stories? How do these stories proliferate? Bizarre. Oh, someone just pointed out that this is a new addition to my Wikipedia entry. I would edit it out, but then someone would just put it back in there. There was so much false information added to my Wiki entry that I gave up a couple of years ago and Wikipedia for a while froze it and would allow no more editing. This is ridiculous."

And two of the comments:

Stanley Dubinsky

It's pretty clear that some asshat is trolling you on that page. The quote, "Since 1999, Everett's stays in the jungle have notoriously included a generator-powered freezer (which according to Everett is well stocked with ice cream), and a large video and DVD collection. Says Everett, 'After twenty years of living like a Pirahã, I’d had it with roughing it'", cites this reference from the New Yorker, ... so you need to take it up with John Colapinto, maybe he can approach Wiki to correct the distortion.

"In the fall of 1999, Everett quit his job, and on the banks of the Maici River he and Keren built a two-room, eight-by-eight-metre, bug- and snake-proof house from fourteen tons of ironwood that he had shipped in by boat. Everett equipped the house with a gas stove, a generator-driven freezer, a water-filtration system, a TV, and a DVD player. “After twenty years of living like a Pirahã, I’d had it with roughing it,” he said. "

==== Dan Everett

What’s funny is that Colapinto was there and he knows it was not stuffed with ice cream. Oh well, I cannot fight this kind of trolling and be productive in writing and research, so screw it.

==== Stanley Dubinsky

The Wiki contributor is the one that added that. It's stupid and venal. There's no struggling against stupid and venal people, since there are just too many of them. It's like swatting mosquitos in a swamp.

============= I have just removed the phrase about ice cream, invented by the Wiki contributor. Fon (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article picture[edit]

Are we sure the first picture in the article (with Everett next to a chalkboard) is even real? It sure doesn’t look like it. AlexanderHamilton730 (talk) 21:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, it does look like a crude fake. I wonder what is the right procedure to nominate it for deletion. Retimuko (talk) 21:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the Commons page (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Everett_at_UNICAMP.jpg), it was retouched and resized in 2023. Maybe it should just be reverted to the older, smaller version or something? Surely there are other pictures of Everett around. Snowman304|talk 02:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the user who transferred it to Commons retouched the picture. It looks AI-enhanced. I suggest it be reverted to the original, albeit low-res, version. Nardog (talk) 02:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]