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Along with other pages associated with the site Blogcritics, this page has become a target of online vandalism by Alan Kurtz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.29.214.34 (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that is a neutral description. However I am concerned about using Blogcritics as a source. Will Bebacktalk 19:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Will. This is Dave Nalle, subject of this entry. I didn't create it and have only added some links and clarifications since it was created. I hadn't visited it in a while until someone drew my attention to it because of the efforts of the SaveBC fanatics to spread their message through the page. I can probably improve the content and citations, but don't want to violate NPOV any more than necessary and don't have a lot of time to mess with it. I see you asked for a citation on the reference to Thrust magazine. How would one provide such a citation for a magazine which was published prior to the advent of the internet and has never been digitized since then? I could scan pages from an old copy and upload them to WikiCommons, but that's just way more work than I have time to take on right now. Graball (talk) 09:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As for the blogging issue, there is an inherent asymmetry. Wikipedia may, within limits use your blog postings or other self-published sources as references for you, but we may not use self-published sources written by others about you.
Regarding offline sources, they can be referenced using conventional bibliographic citations: title, author, issue number, date, page number, and so on.
Regarding conflicts of interest: you should not be creating or editing article about yourself and your projects. It's better to raise concerns or suggest edits on talk pages like this. Will Bebacktalk 19:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't editing significantly until someone contacted me and told me that someone was trying to use my entry to promote the SaveBC trolls. Graball (talk) 05:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed a lot of the material in the "internet and blogging" section, including the BlogCritic material, because it was either unsupported by the sources or not noteworthy. For example, BlogCritic has nearly 4000 writers, so being one of them isn't remarkable. Will Bebacktalk 00:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually agree with most of your edits. Most of the blogging details aren't that interesting or noteworthy, and although being an editor at Blogcritics is more significant than being a contributor, if you can keep the troll from screwing with the page I'm fine with leaving it out. I do think that the material on the Chautauqua series in 1979 ought to be in there because it's historically significant, especially because it corroborates Sen. Gore's account of "inventing" the internet. I believe the reference used for it was just the program that's archived at the Library of Congress. As an alternative there's an article I wrote about the experience which goes into more detail in the context of the current net neutrality debate. Would that be an appropriate source to use or is it unacceptable because I wrote it? It's at http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/how-al-gore-and-i-invented1Graball (talk) 05:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
However this article is about Nalle, not Gore or the Internet. So the sources we use need to be about Nalle.
Self-published sources, like bog entries, can be used within limits. Articles should not be based on them, and they should not be used for contentious claims. But if there's a self-written bio or memoir of the vent then it'd be fine to use that. But if Nalle was just an intern then presumably his participation was limited and we need to avoid overdoing it. Will Bebacktalk 06:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
After a request to the closing admin went unanswered, I restored the article and userfied. I hope to be able to add some sourced content to the article for Dominic Covey in the near future. BOZ (talk) 06:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't delete this draft. I am going to be working with Torchiest starting next month to improve articles using HighBeam. On this search, for example, I see at least 4 potential sources. Please give me at least another month to work on it. Thanks. BOZ (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with keeping as a draft. I posted the speedy deletion because no work had been done for 6 months. (It is coming off my watchlist.) – S. Rich (talk) 17:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
earwig checked This page has been in draft/afc for over 4 years. At some point - and that is now - it needs to be returned to mainspace for general editing. Notability is not clearly established but this has a better than 50/50 chance at AfD as now sourced, Legacypac (talk) 09:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mike Godwin is reportin on facebook that there are murmurings on facebook that Dave Nalle is dead from Covid. Probably want to wait for confirmation in better sources. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 01:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we absolutely need that. I have searched Google and found nothing usable so far. BOZ (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Shannon Appelcline (of Designers & Dragons) has just published an obituary for Nalle, though he doesn't cite a specific date of death. He is usually trustworthy about these things, but the last time people tried to cite him, his article wasn't deemed a reliable source. --Koveras (talk) 11:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How about Steve Jackson?: [1]BOZ (talk) 06:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The quote is: "• Dave Nalle (1959-2021), Lebanese-born US games designer (Ysgarth, To Challenge Tomorrow) and editor/publisher of the RPG magazine Abyss, died on 13 February aged 61. [MR]" -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd just like to clarify that the above source is incorrect in characterizing him as "Lebanese-born". His father was an American diplomat serving abroad at the time of Nalle's birth. He was born while his father was in Beirut, but that could easily have been Damascus, London, Moscow or Washington DC. Characterizing him as Lebanese-born is incorrect -- he was born an American citizen, as are all children of American diplomats serving abroad.Guinness323 (talk) 00:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
