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David Attenborough numerous acts on behalf of Human Overpopulation Issue are Censored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRPmLWYbUqA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.222.71.86 (talk) 22:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

His Bibliography list is incomplete

In his Bibliography list, Lost Worlds, Vanished Lives is missing but it's mentioned elsewhere in the article Bjbjb (talk) 06:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

A note

In one of renowed English scientific journal of Biology and Naturare, peer-review, there is an interview with Sir David Attenborough, where he talking about his carrer, claim to have achieved a BSc in Biology at Cambridge University. This is link: http://www.societyofbiology.org/membership/biologist/biologist-archive/biologist-57-2-2010

Ignore this information, would be equivalent to ignore information present on Lancet, for biography of physicians.

IB biologist-zoologist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.30.187.203 (talk) 10:31, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Discovery of Julia Martha Thomas' skull

It was found on Attenborough's property. See Murder of Julia Martha Thomas. It should be mentioned in the article, no? pastasauce (talk) 11:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Pronounciation of surname

The prounounciation of the surname differs from his brother's article Richard Attenborough when it should surely be the same, which is correct? or is there another explaination ? Maybe both are accepted? if so it should say both in each article.

Carlwev (talk) 16:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Medals

Attenborough was awarded the Livingstone Medal by the Royal Scottish Geographical Society in 1989 and their Scottish Geographical Medal in 2012.

http://www.facebook.com/RoyalScottishGeographicalSociety — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.68.118 (talk) 01:42, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 17:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

The article has been nominated for Good Article status by an IP user who doesn't appear in the recent edits. From that I'll presume that it was a fly-by nomination and treat it as such.

Basically as it stands, it's a quick fail. There's a maintenance tag towards the bottom and large quantities of the article are uncited including quotes. As a minimum all paragraphs need to have inline citations and all quotes need to have individual citations. Once that happens, then a double check for prose and completeness needs to be completed and then someone can look to re-nominate. But it's just not ready right now. Miyagawa (talk) 17:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Environmental Causes

Sir David Attenborough is a President Emeritus of The Wildlife Trusts. This should be listed alongside his involvement with Butterfly Conservation etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.188.186.34 (talk) 16:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 May 2013

Please add the postnominal FAA


ShineDome (talk) 03:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. He's not on the List_of_Fellows_of_the_Australian_Academy_of_Science RudolfRed (talk) 04:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The American comma revert

Spanglej, I appreciate your message on this point, but think you are erring in your reading of this. Firstly, my edit was a general reversion of these edits, undertaken in GF by an editor who inserted poor punctuation into the article (the post-date comma and US quoting, as opposed to logical quotes). I was trying to revert it to the British system of comma use. You kindly provided me links to two books on Google books that explain the use, although the first thing I see is that the are American books: that's not much in the way of a help when we're looking at British punctuation style. I asked Tim riley (talk · contribs) his opinion on the use of what you call the "introductory comma", and he was good enough to provide a detailed explanation of the punctuation. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether this article should be saddled with non-British punctuation or reverted back to the British standard it enjoyed in February: your call. - All the best - SchroCat (talk) 16:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Naturalist?

May I suggest we changed this to "natural historian" or something else? Naturalism is the monistic belief in the the physical world as the only true reality. Calling someone a "naturalist" usually means the same as "materialist" or "physicalist", not "natural historian". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.162.250 (talk) 22:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

Can someone please add:

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at the bottom of the infobox to add a file from the BBC voice recording project? Thank you. 130.88.141.34 (talk) 08:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done Del♉sion23 (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Death

I just read he just passed but there is nothing added. Can someone add a recent death tag. Thank you --Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 22:17, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

That's his older brother, Richard Attenborough.

Richard Attenborough has died, David is still alive. Millionmice (talk) 05:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

No colloquialisms

WP:SLANG deprecates slang use in what is supposed to be a formal essay. This article uses at least twice the word moniker. This should be replaced with a proper English word - there still are some - such as trope. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.26 (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The word moniker is not considered slang, as far as I know. If other editors disagree, though, feel free to weigh in. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Name in lede

His name is David Frederick Attenborough. This is what should appear here. His style (see section 6) is Sir David Attenborough. Calling him Sir David Frederick Attenborough is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.26 (talk) 08:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

In addition {{post-nominals}} should have size parameter removed so that default of 85% applies, and sep=, removed, so that post-nominals fit into space left of infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.129 (talk) 15:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Partly done: I've removed the size parameter as requested, but please get consensus if you want the "Sir" removed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

No colloquialisms

WP:SLANG deprecates slang use in what is supposed to be a formal essay. This article uses at least twice the word moniker. This should be replaced with a proper English word - there still are some - such as trope. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.26 (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: The word moniker is not considered slang, as far as I know. If other editors disagree, though, feel free to weigh in. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Of course it's colloquial, indeed moniker and wikt:moniker say so. As such it is against the norms of WP:COLLOQUIAL and I've changed both occurrences to "strand title" (v.wikt:strand definition, (broadcasting))
 Done

now for the other approximately 8000 pages which use this lazy slipshod form! John of Cromer (talk) mytime= Mon 15:19, wikitime= 07:19, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request

Just a rephrasing of a sentence for clarity! Under "Life Series" is this sentence:

As he was neither an obsessive twitcher, nor a bird expert, he decided he was better qualified to make The Life of Birds (1998) on the theme of behaviour, which won a Peabody Award.

It should be edited to this:

As he was neither an obsessive twitcher, nor a bird expert, he decided he was better qualified to make The Life of Birds (1998), which won a Peabody Award, on the theme of behaviour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.120.215 (talk)

I personally think the current wording has better clarity. "On the theme of behaviour" is more relevant to subject of the sentence, and should come first. Stickee (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I think I hear what you mean; you're saying that "which won a Peabody Award" is a side point, not the main thrust of the sentence, so it should come afterward. However, a sentence is not constructed in the order of most relevant but in an order that follows the rules of grammar. It is grammatically incorrect to separate "which won a Peabody Award" from "The Life of Birds." The current sentence says that the theme of behavior won the award, which is of course ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.120.215 (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Partly done: I separated the line into two sentences [1] so that the antecedents are clearer. I see the merits of both the IP's and Stickee's arguments, but if a sentence is confusing for our readers we might as well as fix it. Altamel (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request on 6 May 2013

Could you please add this to Attenborough's awards section 2007- Corresponding Fellow of the Australian Academy of Science

along with the postnom FAA

Thanks ShineDome (talk) 01:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Partly done: Investigation shows that he is a Correspondng Member, not a Fellow, and that fact and relevant citation has now been added. Unless someone can demonstrate otherwise, this does not seem to entitle him to be called a Fellow. Parkywiki (talk) 21:17, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit request - References: Press release Patron of Blood Pressure Association

There is a broken link in the References to a press release about the Association.

The page is now here http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/mediacentre/Newsreleases/sir_david_attenborough on the Official site of the Blood Pressure Association — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.13.130 (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

 DoneParkywiki (talk) 21:17, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2016

Change age from 89 to 90 109.149.160.222 (talk) 23:39, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: It will update automatically --Cameron11598 (Converse) 05:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

David Attenborough

David Frederick Attenborough 8 May 1926 (age 89) Isleworth, London

This is from the article. If he was born on 8 May he is 90 today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C50:191C:6300:3031:C9BB:420:BAA0 (talk) 10:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Terry Wogan

The following piece of information seems a bit out of place

Attenborough rebuffed Terry Wogan's job application to be a BBC presenter as "to have two Irishmen presenting on BBC Two would have looked ridiculous".[22]

- appearing as it does at the very end of the "First years at the BBC" section, after a sentence that is evidently intended to conclude it and introduce the next.

In fact, I'm not convinced that this detail ought to be included in the article at all, as it is hardly a major event in Attenboroughs career. 193.69.195.77 (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2016

Replace "He is the younger brother of director, producer and actor Richard Attenborough,[8]" in intro With "He is the younger brother of the late director, producer and actor Richard Attenborough,[8]"

Spackle1017 (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done. Reason may fall into some aspects stated at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. Perhaps WP:EUPHEMISM. I looked into other articles of people whose brother/sister is dead, and the phrase "the late" doesn't appear. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 17:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Headshot.

The current main headshot (shot in 2003) is quite outdated, might I suggest a newer headshot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talltell (talk • contribs) 04:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2016

Could you update the current projects part of the page?

Stacem (talk) 08:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2016


he is died 06/11/2016 Adamgeorghiou (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a source for information like that. Nthep (talk) 21:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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species/genus count

For convenience, I'm creating a David Attenborough eponymous species + genus list here. Feel free to edit this list directly (add a signature below or at the end of this comment). As of 10:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC), this makes 4+(4-1)+5+3 = 15 species + 1 genus. Boud (talk) 10:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Extinct
  1. Attenborosaurus conybeari
  2. Materpiscis attenboroughi
  3. Microleo attenboroughi
  4. Electrotettix attenboroughi

One missing as of 10:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)?

Dijkstra in the Nature reference, published 8 May 2016, in the summary section of species states "I am, of course, not the first to name a species for him — at least 15 animals and plants now bear his name." But microleo attenboroughi only became publicly known (at least as far as our references show) in August 2016, three months later. Without microleo attenboroughi, the list above, as of 10:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC), lists only 14 animal and plant species + 1 genus. Dijkstra might have meant "species or genera", in which case his count matches ours. Or he might have meant "species", in which case one species is missing. So someone might want to cross-check with Dijkstra for his list, or else search for the missing attenboroughi species in the above list... Boud (talk) 10:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

  • I have added the recently described Pristimantis attenboroughi. I also trimmed the epnonymy section a bit, as it contained a bit too much unnecessary detail and fluff. E.g., every species was named in his honour, so such doesn't need stating more than once, and details about where/how/when species were discovered should largely be left to respective articles, with only the facts most salient to Attenborough mentioned here. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2017

Please change: "He is the only person to have won BAFTAs for programmes in each of black and white, colour, HD, and 3D." to: "He is the only person to have won BAFTAs for programmes in each of black and white, colour, HD, 3D, and 4K."

The introductory paragraph should include '4K' as a format of television in which Sir David Attenborough has won a BAFTA. He won this award for the nature documentary series Planet Earth 2 (2016), in the 'Specialist Factual Television' category.

Here is a reference for this information, on the official BAFTA website: http://awards.bafta.org/award/2017/television/specialist-factual

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 Done - Editor revised his request after the initial refusal - Arjayay (talk) 17:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Parking a reference

Just parking a ref here (below) after I removed it from the article because it didn't support the sentence it was attached to. It might be useful in the future. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 09:07, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in David Attenborough

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of David Attenborough's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Young":

  • From Syracosphaera azureaplaneta: Young, Jeremy R.; Bown, Paul R.; Cros, Lluisa; Hagino, Kyoko; Jordan, Richard W. (2018). "Syracosphaera azureaplaneta sp. nov. and revision of Syracosphaera corolla Lecal, 1966" (PDF). Journal of Nannoplankton Research. 38 (1). Retrieved 17 April 2018.
  • From The Blue Planet: Young, Jeremy R.; Bown, Paul R.; Cros, Lluisa; Hagino, Kyoko; Jordan, Richard W. (2018). "Syracosphaera azureaplaneta sp. nov. and revision of Syracosphaera corolla Lecal, 1966". Journal of Nannoplankton Research. 38 (1). {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

COP24

He took the "people's seat" at COP24 in Katowice, Poland and said climate change is humanity's greatest threat in thousands of years. This deserves a mention in this article for his recognition and achievement. Cannot add this myself as editing has been blocked. 82.21.133.132 (talk) 20:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

No Charlotte?

His niece Charlotte Attenborough should be included in his list of relatives. --MelissaTreglia (talk) 08:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@MelissaTreglia:  Done. The Charlotte Attenborough article was created only recently so that would explain the absence. Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Overpopulation

I'm not sure the 'Overpopulation' subsection is needed in the 'Views and advocacy' section, as the examples and quotes are included in the 'Environment' subsection immediately above it? JezGrove (talk) 22:40, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2019

More recent projects On radio, Attenborough has continued as one of the presenters of BBC Radio 4's Tweet of the Day, which began a second series in September 2014.[45]

Blue Planet II was broadcast in 2017, with Attenborough returning as presenter.[46] The series was critically acclaimed[47] and gained the highest UK viewing figure for 2017, 14.1 million.[48]

Attenborough narrates the 2018 five part series Dynasties, each episode dealing with one species in particular.

In 2019, Attenborough is scheduled to narrate Our Planet, an eight-part documentary series, for Netflix.[49] He is also scheduled to narrate a feature film by the name Wild Karnataka, a collaborative project with the Karnataka State Forest department showcasing the natural diversity of the state of Karnataka, India.

References: https://metrosaga.com/teaser-of-wild-karnataka/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO79orOvYJA Abhilashhn1993 (talk) 18:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 22:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

A other note

Must not Sir Attenborough (which in my mind appears as a superlative of (yes, yes ,yes German) "attentat") be considered as a "science communicator" with all the deficits accompanying with?

Regards.

145.129.136.48 (talk) 14:37, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2019

can i edit attenboroughs wiki 62.248.206.188 (talk) 08:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

You can make suggestions on this talk page ("Please change X to Y"). You can also register an account here on Wikipedia, after a few days of editing other articles you can edit this one. – Þjarkur (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2019

Change X

Other work From 1983, Attenborough worked on two environmentally themed musicals with the WWF and writers Peter Rose and Anne Conlon. Yanomamo was the first, about the Amazon rainforest, and the second, Ocean World, premiered at the Royal Festival Hall in 1991. They were both narrated by Attenborough on their national tour and recorded on to audio cassette. Ocean World was also filmed for Channel 4 and later released. In 1990, he highlighted the case of Mahjoub Sharif as part of the BBC's Prisoners of Conscience series.[55]

In May 2005, Attenborough was appointed as patron of the UK's Blood Pressure Association, which provides information and support to people with hypertension.[56] In January 2009, the BBC commissioned Attenborough to provide a series of 20 ten-minute monologues covering the history of nature. Entitled David Attenborough's Life Stories, they are broadcast on Radio 4 on Friday nights.[57] Part of Radio 4's A Point of View strand, the talks are also available as podcasts.[58]

He appeared in the 2009 Children's Prom at the BBC Promenade Concerts and in the Last Night of the Proms on 12 September 2009, playing a floor polisher in Sir Malcolm Arnold's "A Grand, Grand Overture" (after which he was "shot" by Rory Bremner, who was playing the gun). In 2009, he also became a patron of Population Matters (formerly known as the Optimum Population Trust),[59] a UK charity advocating sustainable human populations.[60]

He is also a patron of the Friends of Richmond Park[61] and serves on the advisory board of BBC Wildlife magazine. Attenborough is also an honorary member of BSES Expeditions, a youth development charity that operates challenging scientific research expeditions to remote wilderness environments.

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Other work From 1983, Attenborough worked on two environmentally themed musicals with the WWF and writers Peter Rose and Anne Conlon. Yanomamo was the first, about the Amazon rainforest, and the second, Ocean World, premiered at the Royal Festival Hall in 1991. They were both narrated by Attenborough on their national tour and recorded on to audio cassette. Ocean World was also filmed for Channel 4 and later released. In 1990, he highlighted the case of Mahjoub Sharif as part of the BBC's Prisoners of Conscience series.[55]

In May 2005, Attenborough was appointed as patron of the UK's Blood Pressure Association, which provides information and support to people with hypertension.[56] In January 2009, the BBC commissioned Attenborough to provide a series of 20 ten-minute monologues covering the history of nature. Entitled David Attenborough's Life Stories, they are broadcast on Radio 4 on Friday nights.[57] Part of Radio 4's A Point of View strand, the talks are also available as podcasts.[58]

He appeared in the 2009 Children's Prom at the BBC Promenade Concerts and in the Last Night of the Proms on 12 September 2009, playing a floor polisher in Sir Malcolm Arnold's "A Grand, Grand Overture" (after which he was "shot" by Rory Bremner, who was playing the gun). In 2009, he also became a patron of Population Matters (formerly known as the Optimum Population Trust),[59] a UK charity advocating sustainable human populations.[60]

He is also a patron of the Friends of Richmond Park[61] and serves on the advisory board of BBC Wildlife magazine. Attenborough is also an honorary member of BSES Expeditions, a youth development charity that operates challenging scientific research expeditions to remote wilderness environments.

Sir David has had a long and active relationship with The Wildlife Trusts, helping to establish many of the Trusts in the 1960’s and 1970’s. He launched the British Wildlife Appeal in 1985, which, aided by his delivery of numerous public talks across the UK, raised £16.1 million for the protection and restoration of nature. Sir David became President of the Wildlife Trusts in 1990 until 1995 and continues to support the work of the 46 Wildlife Trusts in his role as President Emeritus. Eeajackson1090 (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Glastonbury Festival

Should this article point out that in 2019, David Attenborough made a surprise appearance at the Glastonbury Festival to thank people there for using less plastic? Vorbee (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Postnoms

I removed the postnoms following the subject's name, but this was reverted by Bueller 007. This went unchallenged for almost 3 weeks, and the reason for restoration was simply that they'd "been there for ages". This by itself is not a valid reason to restore; can you give a more substantive argument? Indeed, MOS:POSTNOM suggests removal here:

When an individual holds a large number of post-nominal letters or seldom uses them (common among heads of state and members of royal families), they should be omitted from the lead, and the titles only described in the main body of the article.

–Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The issue I see here is that the guide from MOS:POSTNOM is open to interpretation. firstly it fails to state specifically what a large number is and Attenborough isn't a head of state or a member of any royal family. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 05:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes, MOS guidelines are usually left a little vague on purpose. But most reasonable people would find a full 9 to be a large number. The "heads of state ..." bit was just an example of when it's likely to occur, but the guideline hardly limits itself to just those instances. When I see postnoms, I tend to see like 1 to 3, tops. Again, also keep in mind that the vast majority of readers have absolutely no idea what these letters are, and for them, they're at best just visual clutter. And even for those who know what they are, most don't care. And for those that really really do, they're sitting right over thataway at the top of the infobox. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Charitable patronage?

Hello How can we add additional charitable patronage's for Sir David?

He has been a founder board member and then patron of Learning through Landscapes since 1995. He has supported various campaigns of LtL over the years, including one about protecting school grounds and outdoor space so that children connect with nature. You can see his page and video on the subject at https://www.ltl.org.uk/our-trustees-and-patrons/david-attenborough/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt outandabout (talk • contribs) 13:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2020

hi i am from karnataka , his recent voice over movie WILD KARNATAKA is not included 49.206.10.114 (talk) 11:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Please would you supply a link so we can verify this potential addition? Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:29, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Wild Karnataka appears to have been added in the interim. Altamel (talk) 06:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
David Attenborough: 'This is the last chance' to address climate change | BBC, 19.04.2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PRJL07-WK0 --87.162.175.237 (talk) 01:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2020

Under "More recent projects", information about "Extinction: The Facts" should be changed to the past tense as it has already aired. There should also be some mention of his upcoming documentary David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet Amffy (talk) 13:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. "...some mention" is not a complete and specific description of the change requested. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2020

Sir David should have the post-nominal of 'Kt' included in his post-nominals. He is both a Knight Bachelor (Kt) and Knight Grand Cross of St. Michael and St. George (GCMG) - only the latter of which is currently featured.

Previously, 'Kt' was not featured as it was his only knighthood - being indicated by the title of 'Sir'. Upon his induction into the Order of St. Michael and St. George, the newly-obtained title and post-nominal (i.e. 'Sir' and 'GCMG') obscure his Knight Bachelor status, which - as a separate honour - must be properly distinguished. 138.51.113.34 (talk) 03:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

The award of a Knight Bachelor carries no post-nominal, so adding 'Kt' would be inappropriate. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 04:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2020

Add to honourary titles, Durham University in 1982

Existing:

He also has honorary Doctor of Science awards from the University of Cambridge (1984) and University of Oxford (1988)

change to:

He also has honorary Doctor of Science awards from Durham University (1982), the University of Cambridge (1984) and University of Oxford (1988) Durhamgirl (talk) 11:55, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

@Durhamgirl: Would you be kind enough to provide a citation for that statement please? Then we can add it with a reference, too. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:00, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: https://www.dur.ac.uk/university.calendar/volumei/honorary_degrees/
That's perfect, thank you. (Can't fix it for you right now - but it'll get done by me or someone else soon. Promise.) Nick Moyes (talk) 13:18, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 Done! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2020

Change the link of Amoghavarsha to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoghavarsha_JS The name and the wrongly linked name is present in the "Other Documentaries" section 124.123.107.34 (talk) 10:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done, thanks. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 10:41, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Official Website

Wanted to add this link : His new website : https://www.attenboroughfilm.com － Cy21 ➜ discuss 19:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Home Guard WWII?

I recall reading (forget exact newspaper) at around an anniversary of VE Day (2005 or 2015 or even this year) that David recalled he was serving in the Home Guard when at Cambridge University when VE Day came. I have a pinch of salt about this because I am aware the HG were stood down, then formally disbanded at the end of 1944. If it can be authenticated by reference to a publication or broadcast that he was in the HG during its lifetime, then it qualifies him for the List of notable surviving veterans of World War II, considering some of his younger German peers were drafted into their country's equivalent, the Volkssturm. Officially young men were eligible to join the HG at age 17, during 1943 in his case.Cloptonson (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2021

David Attenborough died on the 2. December 2020. ;O) Truls Hjelle 80.203.30.251 (talk) 19:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RudolfRed (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021

82.14.212.192 (talk) 10:52, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

His Father Frederick was a Principle.

This is already in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2021

hi this is fake 2001:8F8:1A65:2697:5D9:3F78:5E3B:B5E7 (talk) 07:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Volteer1 (talk) 07:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

New doc on Netflix titled "Life in Color with David Attenborough"

This should be added SpikyLlama (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Attenborough ???(?)

Dear writer,

I am sorry but I have a hard, perhaps a very hard remark. Looking at his pictures you (perhaps me) wonder if his name is not a superlative of the German "Attentat".

Peculiar? Certainly.

It is up to you.

Regards. 85.149.24.135 (talk) 16:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Any reliable sources? We do not use original research here.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 14:37, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding a species that has been dedicated to Sir David Attenborough

It was announced that a horseshoe crab fossil has been dedicated to Sir David Attenborough. Could you please add this to the species named after him? Research Article - https://peerj.com/articles/11709/ Announcement - https://theconversation.com/we-discovered-a-new-fossil-species-of-horseshoe-crab-and-named-it-after-david-attenborough-163086 Authors - Russell D.C. Bicknell​, Dmitry E. Shcherbakov - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snazzybear (talk • contribs) 06:08, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, added this to the list. the wub "?!" 14:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Records

David has several records that probably need to go under Achievements, awards and recognition section They are as follows

David Attenborough: Longest career as a TV presenter & Longest career as a television naturalist 67 years[1][2]
fastest time to reach one million followers on Instagram of 5 hours and 16 minute[3] witch has since be surpassed by Rupert Grint 4 hours and 1 minute[4]

92.236.253.249 (talk) 08:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

The second one seems suitably trivial, the first bit about being the longest television presenter is probably something worth going in the prose. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66907-most-durable-tv-presenter
  2. ^ https://guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-career-as-a-television-naturalist
  3. ^ https://guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2020/9/sir-david-attenborough-breaks-instagram-record-for-fastest-time-to-reach-one-mill-632391
  4. ^ https://guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2020/11/rupert-grint-shatters-instagram-followers-record-637700

Lack of objectivity

This article reads like a fan page. It seems a substandard Wikipedia article in respect of a historical living figure. I appreciate that the subject has had a long and distinguished career, but as a historical figure this inevitably comes with actions and views which might reasonably attract criticism. I have added a short criticism paragraph which refers to Attenborough's support for population-control ideas which have often to many seemed ill-informed and to give unintentional but important support to notions which underpin right-wing ideologies. I do not criticise here the principle of right-wing ideologies per se, but note that if it is not his intention to support them then that is worthy of comment here. None of this is to contradict Attenborough's claims to being a liberal of the left; it may simply reflect that he is now a very old man out of touch with new ideas which do not form part of his own conceptual nexus. The observation that this is a weak, fanperson-like article seems to me to stand. This page needs more amending than I presently have time for. The structure is at times disorganised and at other times appears the disjointed product of different PR efforts.SteveCree2 (talk) 22:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I was a bit surprised to not see any criticism mentioned on that topic. I'll probably move it over to the views sections, as a separate criticism section often acts as a magnet for minor criticism and can get undue attention to the criticism. See WP:criticism. FemkeMilene (talk) 06:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for including this; have edited the new "criticism" section slightly for WP:NPOV. Wouldn't this be better placed under a population subsection of "Advocacy", as the current section only includes population comments? Unless there are other criticisms to cover here Arcahaeoindris (talk) 10:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
For instance, George Monbiot's criticisms may be worth a mention: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/07/david-attenborough-world-environment-bbc-films
The current sentence about support from the scientific community does not seem to be supported by the cited sources. Only one of the sources mentions David Attenborough, and that one cites a TV presenter rather than somebody from the scientific community. The other ones constitute synthesis, tying Attenboroughs opinions to separate statements about human population growth. FemkeMilene (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing this out. I have removed the offending sentence. None of the sources mentioned Attenborough at all. This was WP:SYNTH at best, or WP:SOAPBOX or factual inaccuracy at worst. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 19:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Mention of environmentalism in lead

Why is there no mention of his environmentalism in his lead? Isn't that what everyone knows him for and what he, himself, places his energy on? There is precedent for putting "environmentalist" in the lead among others who appear on the list of environmentalists. VicEkberg (talk) 10:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Most of those other people are exclusively activists and environmentalists. We do comment on this: While Attenborough's earlier work focused more on the wonders of the natural world, his later work has been more vocal in support of environmental causes. He's hardly best known for this, he is much more well known for his time as a narrator on wildlife programs and the Life series in general. He's also probably even more notable for his time at the BBC. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Trainsandotherthings (talk · contribs) 18:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this, hopefully to be done within the day. Comments to come shortly. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments

Lead

  • "He is best known for writing and presenting, in conjunction with the BBC Natural History Unit, the nine natural history documentary series forming the Life collection that constitute a comprehensive survey of animal and plant life on Earth." This wording is a bit awkward. I suggest rewording it, perhaps more like "the nine documentary series of the Life collection, a comprehensive survey of animal and plant life on Earth." Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Attenborough is a former senior manager at the BBC, having served as controller of BBC Two and director of programming for BBC Television in the 1960s and 1970s." Consider rewording from "is a former" to "was a" or "served as a". Also consider rewriting the second half as "as well as controller of..." Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done the first. Didn't do the suggestion, as controller is a management role if I understand it correctly. Femke (talk) 18:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He is the only person to have won BAFTAs for programmes in black and white, colour, high-definition, 3D and 4K resolutions." As written, it does not seem clear to me that this is saying he is the only person to win BAFTAs in all of these resolutions. Maybe just rewrite to "for 5 different formats, from black and white to 4k resolution."
    Rewritten. Femke (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He has advocated for..." Change to "he advocates for", he is still alive and still an advocate for these things. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    People do change their opinion, so I'm not 100% sure he's still advocating for all of those. Has advocated already implies past+present. Femke (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He considers his 2020 documentary film, David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet, his personal witness statement of his life and the future." I don't think this belongs in the lead section, it might fit better in the body of the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 18:47, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He is the younger brother of the late director, producer and actor Richard Attenborough, and older brother of the late motor executive John Attenborough." The first claim here is cited, but the second is not. For consistency, either both or neither should have citations. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Life and family

  • "He is the middle of three long-lived sons;" I don't see a need to say "long-lived", as their death dates are provided later in the sentence already. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 18:55, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He received encouragement, when a young Jacquetta Hawkes admired his collection." Comma here can be deleted. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 18:55, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He spent much time in the grounds of the university, and, aged around 11, he heard that the zoology department needed a large supply of newts, which he offered through his father to supply for 3d each." This sentence has a lot of commas. The middle could be reworded to "where around age 11 he responded to a request from the zoology department for a large supply of newts...". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    I split the sentence instead. Femke (talk) 19:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "A year later, one of his adoptive sisters, Marianne, gave him a piece of amber containing prehistoric creatures; some sixty years later, it would be the focus of his programme The Amber Time Machine." Consider rewording to "A year later, his adoptive sister Marianne..." Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "According to Richard, David was "bowled over by the man's determination to save the beaver, by his profound knowledge of the flora and fauna of the Canadian wilderness and by his warnings of ecological disaster should the delicate balance between them be destroyed. The idea that mankind was endangering nature by recklessly despoiling and plundering its riches was unheard of at the time, but it is one that has remained part of Dave's own credo to this day."" Quotes should have a citation immediately after they end, which is not present here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "where he won a scholarship to Clare College, Cambridge in 1945 to study geology and zoology and obtained a degree in natural sciences." This sentence is quite long and might be better split into two sentences. The second sentence can include what his degree was, and when he graduated from Clare College. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

First years at the BBC

  • "After leaving the Navy, Attenborough took a position editing children's science textbooks for a publishing company." Specify when he left the navy, I believe it was 1949? Additionally, a citation should be added either here or to the following sentence. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure on the exact date, but I have added a source for the info. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He soon became disillusioned with the work and in 1950 applied for a job as a radio talk producer with the BBC." Wikilink BBC, as this is the first mention of it in the body of the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done Femke (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Attenborough's association with natural history programmes began when he produced and presented the three-part series Animal Patterns. The studio-bound programme featured animals from London Zoo, with the naturalist Julian Huxley discussing their use of camouflage, aposematism and courtship displays. Through this programme, Attenborough met Jack Lester, the curator of the zoo's reptile house, and they decided to make a series about an animal-collecting expedition." I recommend adding at least 1 inline citation for these sentences. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • It's all covered by the source at the end of the paragraph, which is how you are supposed to cite all info to one source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "However, he accepted an invitation to return to the BBC as controller of BBC Two before he could finish the degree." What is a controller? As someone not from the UK, I am unfamiliar with this term. Can this be wikilinked to an appropriate article? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Pretty much just being in charge of. I can't think of a suitable wikilink Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

BBC administration

  • "Attenborough became Controller of BBC 2 in March 1965 succeeding Michael Peacock." Add a comma after 1965. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Later the same year he filmed elephants in Tanzania, and in 1969 he made a three-part series on the cultural history of the Indonesian island of Bali." Add a wikilink to Indonesia here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    I think Indonesia is too big a country, and should not be wikilinked. Femke (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "BBC Two had been launched in 1964, but had struggled to capture the public's imagination." Replace one of the mentions of "had" with a different word. Perhaps change to "BBC Two was launched in 1964...". Additionally, this paragraph needs a citation or two added to the first half. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "The show - Pot Black was later credited with the boom of the sport into the 1980s." It seems a dash is missing here after the name of the show. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "In 1969 Attenborough was promoted to director of programmes, making him responsible for the output of both BBC channels." Add a comma after 1969. A citation for this would also be a good idea. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Attenborough stated that he wanted to work in Asia, as nature documentaries had mostly focused on Africa." Change to "...work in Asia because previous nature documentaries..." Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Eventually the BBC signed a co-production deal with Turner Broadcasting and Life on Earth moved into production in 1976." Suggest adding a comma after eventually. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:24, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Life series

  • "Beginning with Life on Earth in 1979, Attenborough set about creating a body of work which became a benchmark of quality in wildlife film-making and influenced a generation of documentary film-makers." Add a comma after film-making, this sentence is very long without a comma there. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done Femke (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "In the 1990s, Attenborough continued to use the "Life" title for a succession of authored documentaries." Is there a meaning to the term "authored documentaries" here, as opposed to just "documentaries"? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    I think the meaning is that he actually wrote them rather than only narrated them. Femke (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "In 1993, he presented Life in the Freezer, the first television series to survey the natural history of Antarctica." Add a wikilink to Antarctica here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "As he was neither an obsessive twitcher nor a bird expert," It feels weirdly POV and non-neutral to say "obsessive twitcher". It should be reworded to be more neutral, perhaps just say birdwatcher. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He commented: "The evolutionary history is finished. The endeavour is complete. If you'd asked me 20 years ago whether we'd be attempting such a mammoth task, I'd have said 'Don't be ridiculous!' These programmes tell a particular story and I'm sure others will come along and tell it much better than I did, but I do hope that if people watch it in 50 years' time, it will still have something to say about the world we live in."" This quote is borderline long enough to justify being moved out of the prose and into a separate quote box instead. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    I dislike having quote boxes of the person in question, feels like too much POV. We could shorten it. The second half could be dropped. Femke (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Shortening makes sense to me, I'd go with that. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Beyond Life on Earth

  • "As a writer and narrator, Attenborough continued to collaborate with the BBC Natural History Unit in the new millennium. Alastair Fothergill, a senior producer with whom Attenborough had worked on The Trials of Life and Life in the Freezer, was making The Blue Planet (2001), the Unit's first comprehensive series on marine life. He decided not to use an on-screen presenter due to difficulties in speaking to a camera through diving apparatus, but asked Attenborough to narrate the films. The same team reunited for Planet Earth (2006), the biggest nature documentary ever made for television and the first BBC wildlife series to be shot in high definition." None of this is cited, at least 1 or 2 citations should be added to support this information. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "The BBC also commissioned Atlantic Productions to make a three-part, Attenborough-fronted series Great Barrier Reef in 2015" Should the series name be in italics or quotation marks here? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Added along with a link, which was missing for some reason. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Attenborough narrates the 2018 five part series Dynasties, each episode dealing with one species in particular." Change "narrates" to "narrated" for consistency with the rest of the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "On radio, Attenborough has continued as one of the presenters of BBC Radio 4's Tweet of the Day, which began a second series in September 2014." BBC Radio 4 should be wikilinked here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • We already linked this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
      • I see what I missed now, it was linked as just "Radio 4", but I was searching for "BBC Radio 4", which is how it is listed in most places. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Growing engagement

  • The name of this section is a bit unclear, maybe change it to more specifically say that Attenborough shifted towards advocating for environmentalism? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I have wracked my brain for a while for a better title, but I don't really know. Would "increased advocating" be better? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Potential titles I have include "Increased advocacy" "Advocacy in the 21st century" "Turn to advocacy" and "environmentalist advocacy", or simply just say "21st century", though that last one is far from idea. Feel free to pick and choose from none or any of these ideas. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
        • Changed to environmentalist advocacy
  • Are redlinks allowed in GA? I'm pretty sure they're not allowed in FA, but I'm uncertain about the rules for GA. If they're allowed, no action is needed here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    They are allowed in both GAs and FAs. At FAC sometimes people complain a bit, but it does not have a justification in the MOS. If the red link links to something notable, it's fine. Femke (talk) 19:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Environment

  • "Despite this, he has been criticised for not giving enough prominence to environmental messages." By whom? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • The article isn't specific on this - lots of people have suggested that as a nature show, it should educate, rather than entertain. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "On Seven Worlds, One Planet, Attenborough discusses the devastating impact that deforestation is having on the planet and the species." Change "on" to "in". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He gave support to WWF's campaign to have 220,000 square kilometres of Borneo's rainforest designated a protected area." Wikilink Borneo. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "In 2020, he backed a Fauna and Flora International campaign" Remove the wikilink here, the organization is already linked earlier in this paragraph. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Done. Femke (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Human population

  • "He has attracted criticism for his views on human overpopulation and human population control." Criticism from whom? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • That's a difficult one to define. Intentionally left ambiguous, as it's both regular and scientists. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Religious views

  • "In 2009, he stated that the Book of Genesis, by saying that the world was there for people to dominate, had taught generations that they can "dominate" the environment, and that this has resulted in the devastation of vast areas of the environment." Consider changing one instance of the word "dominate" for a synonym. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • In general, this section is inconsistent about if punctuation goes before or after quotation marks. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He strongly opposes creationism and its offshoot "intelligent design", saying that a survey that found a quarter of science teachers in state schools believe that creationism should be taught alongside evolution in science lessons was "really terrible"." Clarify that he was upset about the results of the survey, not the survey itself. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

BBC and public service broadcasting

  • In general, this section is very heavy on quotes, perhaps a bit too much. A bit more prose in Wikipedia's words would be helpful. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Politics

No comments here, well done. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Honorary titles

  • "In 1980, he was honoured by the Open University with which he has had a close association throughout his career." Add a comma after "University". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "He has honorary Doctor of Science degrees from Durham University (1982) and the University of Cambridge (1984) and honorary Doctor of Philosophy degrees from the University of Oxford (1988) and the University of Ghent (1997)" This sentence is missing a period at the end. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "In 2010, he was awarded an Honorary Doctorate from" Change to "awarded Honorary Doctorates from..." as two universities are listed in this sentence. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "Attenborough has received the title Honorary Fellow from Clare College, Cambridge (1980), the Zoological Society of London (1998), the Linnean Society (1999), the Institute of Biology (Now the Royal Society of Biology) (2000) and the Society of Antiquaries (2007)." This sentence needs citations. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Recognition

  • "Life on Air (2002) examined the legacy of his work and Attenborough the Controller (2002) focused on his time in charge of BBC Two." Add a comma after "work". Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  • "However, one of its research sub-sea vehicles was named "Boaty" in recognition of the public vote." This should say "Boaty McBoatface", which is the name of the submersible in question. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • No, this is saying another boat was named "Boaty", which it was. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Species named after Attenborough

  • Consider changing this section to a table. There's so many examples here it's difficult to read this as prose. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    • I really disagree with the idea of having a table here, as it promotes cruft. I get it could be a bit messy, but we are just pointing out how the subject has had lots of things named after them, we don't want a list of things named after Attenborough Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
      • I totally understand your concerns with cruft (my preferred subject area is filled with it) but if possible I'd like there to be a neater way to organize the information. I personally find it hard to read. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Awards

  • "In addition, he is the only person to have won BAFTAs for programmes in black and white, colour, high-definition, 3D and 4K resolutions." This was already mentioned earlier in the body, so one of the two mentions should be removed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Miscellaneous comments

  • I suggest moving or adding a photo somewhere in the first 3 subsections of the Career section, that area has no photos, while some others have several. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    Then the images would not correspond chronologically. I've contacted the BBC to release images of young attenborough, but no success. Femke (talk) 19:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    I see, that explains why there's no images there. I think you are right about this, the best that could be done is adding a photo related to something he has done, but that's less than ideal. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    All issues resolved. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
    All issues resolved. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    No issues here. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:
    From my checking, the sources are all reliable. I did not go through all 254 individually, this isn't FAC, but I'm taking it on good faith that the remainder are all appropriate. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    C. It contains no original research:
    Everything is meticulously cited. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
    No issues, the only things to come up on Earwig were direct quotes, which are all properly attributed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    This article has comprehensive coverage of Attenborough. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
    Everything is relevant to the subject of the article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
    Article is neutral. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
    No issues here, article is stable. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    All are appropriately tagged, and used properly. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
    All images relevant and properly captioned. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 19:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    All criteria are met, and I will be promoting this to GA. Thanks to Lee Vilenski and Femkemilene for their hard work on this article, and congratulations! Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Grammatical error in the first paragraph

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure "an British broadcaster" is wrong. Shouldn't it be "a British broadcaster", as British starts with a consonant? TomBwn (talk) 02:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done —twotwofourtysix(My talk page and contributions) 09:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect editing to be rv

Please rv last edit by inveterate but often misguided editor. Knight Bachelor is NOT the same as Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire (KBE). The "CBE" should be restored. "KBE" is inaccurate. Thanks. 65.88.88.200 (talk) 19:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2022

Under views and advocacy / environment, change:

In 2005 and 2006, he backed a BirdLife International project to stop the killing of albatross by longline fishing boats.[112] He gave support to WWF's campaign to have 220,000 square kilometres of Borneo's rainforest designated a protected area.[113] He serves as a vice-president of The Conservation Volunteers,[114] vice-president of Fauna and Flora International,[115] president of Butterfly Conservation[116] and president emiritus of Leicestershire and Rutland Wildlife Trust.[117]

to In 2005 and 2006, he backed a BirdLife International project to stop the killing of albatross by longline fishing boats.[112] He gave support to WWF's campaign to have 220,000 square kilometres of Borneo's rainforest designated a protected area.[113] He serves as a vice-president of The Conservation Volunteers,[114] vice-president of Fauna and Flora International,[115] president of Butterfly Conservation,[116] president emiritus of Leicestershire and Rutland Wildlife Trust[117] and Honorary Patron of the Cambridge Conservation Initiative.

reference for citation is https://www.cambridgeconservation.org/about/leadership/ CamConservation (talk) 13:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please provide secondary sourcing for this, to show that it is notable, and to provide proof. Anyone can put something on their own website, and for WP:BLPs the bar is higher for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:29, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Supposed comment attributed to Sir David

The comment which suggests Sir David voiced his doubts that a god would create a worm who's sole purpose is to bore into the eye of a child. This quote was in fact made by Stephen Fry in an interview with Gabriel Byrne 2A02:C7F:3E29:8000:7514:6D70:5421:498A (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

this source seems to suggest he said it Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

I feel like I don’t need to be ultra specific to tell you the jumbled mess of words in the first line is incorrect 2600:387:B:9A2:0:0:0:49 (talk) 10:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The first sentence is basically his name, a long list of honors, DOB, and his notable activities. What is incorrect? Cannolis (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
@Cannolis: I think the complaint is about this: /ˈætənbərə/; which I just don't understand. We also have these additions now: "OM GCMG CH CVO CBE", while our article on Charles, Prince of Wales has no such nonsense at the beginning. I agree that's kind of a mess to lead the article with. There's already an overlong section on "Achievements, awards and recognition", so anyone that cares can go there. Let me know what you think about cutting all of that. Efbrazil (talk) 16:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
@Efbrazil: The first part is just the IPA pronunciation guide - not sure how it looks on a mobile device but on a PC when you click that link it takes you to the IPA guide. Charles is one example, but as a counterpoint, see George Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen. On MOS:POSTNOM it looks like these things go sort of case by case and I really don't have enough experience with this sort of thing to take a strong stance one way or the other. Cannolis (talk) 01:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
@Cannolis: Yeah, there are differing approaches for sure, but the vast majority of readers won't want all that stuff in the way. The lede should be simple- those that want details can click into sections that talk about details like awards and honors. I'll try cutting it all and see how that goes. Efbrazil (talk) 18:51, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
@Efbrazil: I would add the pronunciation guide back in. The other stuff I think is more up for debate but I think the pronunciation of Attenborough is not necessarily easily understood as per MOS:LEADPRON Cannolis (talk) 19:56, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
@Cannolis: My thought was that atten in phoenetic and borough is like the word, so I don't think the pronounciation is hard. Further, I think it's very hard to figure out how to decode /ˈætənbərə/ using the linked article Help:IPA/English. If there was a nice link to a sounding out of his name it would be one thing, but as is I think the article is better off without it. Efbrazil (talk) 16:37, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
@Efbrazil: Do you pronounce the atten as in attention? Borough like bur-row, bur-ruh, or bore-row? It may not be easy to decipher the IPA guide but having it there is definitively beneficial to readers who are interested in how a word is pronounced. Also note that these IPA guides are incredibly commonplace across Wikipedia articles, for words I personally would say are even easier to intuit than Attenborough - see Oxford or Cambridge or even a relatively common word like phoenix. Cannolis (talk) 17:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
@Cannolis: It's subjective in the end, and I can't say things better than I did above. It's not a big deal either way though, so I won't revert or fight if you put it back in. Efbrazil (talk) 19:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Military personnel from Middlesex

Berserker276 added Category:Military personnel from Middlesex to the article. I removed it, on the grounds that it is not a defining characteristic, but was reverted. I still assert that the category is not appropriate, because the reliable sources do not commonly and consistently define Attenborough as being military personnel.

Other editor's opinions are sought, as is Berserker276's response to my challenge. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Page spilt

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Consensus is against splitting. Felix QW (talk) 20:42, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I noticed this is a big page could we page split List of Achievements, awards and recognition received by David Attenborough as it own page 92.236.253.249 (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

The article isn't necessarily too long at 7962 words. I consider splitting for length reasons at about 8000-10000 words. I prefer to slightly (but not too much) condense the section. Splitting means that we also need to write a summary in this article, and thereby duplicating information. FemkeMilene (talk) 18:32, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. We are not yet at the point where we require a split. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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