Talk:Daywalker

This article was nominated for deletion on 11 May 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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First header[edit]

Why was this article article for "daywalker" merged with "dhampir"? I think it needs its own page, or at least a stub. Not all daywalkers are Dhampir. I dont see the problem, so I think I may unmerge. (Animedude 11:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I edited down the section on "folklore vs. fiction", removing the couple of sentences about what effects vampires in "actual mythology" suffer from sunlight. Vampire folklore varies greatly, from vampires who are active only at night, to those who seem to suffer no effect whatsoever from operating during the day. A simple statement that "vampires are weaker in the daytime" doesn't begin to adequately cover the range. Efindel 20:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Under Actual Folklore vs. Fiction: "In our current climate, however, daywalkers are harder to spot..." What's with this stuff? It sounds as if the author either believes in vampires or is making a joke. Either way, I think it should be removed, though I did get a good laugh out of it. --Eruhildo 07:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was obvious vandalism. I removed it. (Animedude 01:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Does Count Dracula count as a daywalker (for the purpose of this article) since the list says: "in a setting where daylight is usually fatal or detrimental to vampires"? --Eruhildo 22:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't his immunity unique in Stoker's works? (Animedude 21:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Connor[edit]

Moved this unreferenced original research here from the article page, because the term "daywalker is not used in the Connor article. "Has been described as" is "weasel words." And before someone dashes over there and adds it, it would need references which satisfy WP:A):

==Daywalker 2.0==
Connor (Angel, Buffyverse Continuity) has been described as the second generation of the daywalker mythology. Connor is the offspring of two vampires, one of whom possesses a human soul. He has all the strengths and powers of a vampire. His powers include, but are not limited to:

Vampiric speed and agility

Vampiric physical strength - Several times the strength of an average human.

Vampiric durability - a 50 ft. drop doesn't trouble him, but is still injured as a human by piercing wounds

Vampiric senses - sensory perception several times more powerful than that of a human.

Connor also has none of the weaknesses of a vampire. The sun, holy water, wooden stakes, crosses etc. affect him no differently than they would a normal human. He also lacks the vampiric blood lust, and possibly even vampiric fangs, and consumes normal food and drink. In some ways, his powers resemble those of the Slayer.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edison (talk • contribs) 14:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Why does Connor get his own "Daywalker 2.0" section?

I mean, I love Wheadon, but don't think that Connor is a. a Daywalker (referring to a Vampire that can walk in the sunlight); b. the next step in Vampire Evolution (as his existence was only possible by direct intervention by a PTB); or c. notable enough that he deserves his own page.

Really, this whole article should just be a stub explaining what a daywalker is, where the term comes from, and the fact that "In most folklore, vampires are not killed by sunlight and therefore are not limited to only nighttime escapades" - which should be sourced somehow, also. Maxvip (talk) 16:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

I noticed some of the daywalkers listed have references for, I'm assuming, where it's mentioned that they are one. I was wondering, do they all need references? Or do any of them really need references? --Eruhildo 18:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I started adding references to the article after it was tagged for needing them. Referencing all of them would be nice. I am finding information on my own, but some thing I really need is the number and name of the first issue of the Blade comic where he is called "the Daywalker". For the Daywalkers themselves, we need to specify where and when it is shown they are immune to sunlight, and that this immunity is unusal in their repsective medium. This makes sure that the list does not get bogged down or vandalized. Adding references will help the page be sited and meet wikipedia standard. I've checked and movies and specific episodes of TV shows can be used as references, as well as specific comic issues and books. (Animedude 05:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Someone erased everything and put in a dumb statement. ShowtimeRyan wrote some stuff that looked like an attempted fix, but I just reverted everything to how it was. I thought what he wrote might be useful for developing the article so here it is:

The above is the definition of a Daywalker given by simpletons world wide who, with nothing special to do in their lives, make up topics to degrade other people, which makes themselves feel better for the pathetic lives they lead.

However, as the rest of Modern Civilization can note, this is not the correct description for a "Daywalker".

The term was first used in the Marvel Comics comic book "Blade the Vampire Hunter", describing the title character. Blade, of course, being half vampire and half human. His mother was bitten by a vampire during the Birh of Blade, which gave hiim all the vampires strengths, but none of their weaknesses. Blade was given Superhuman strength (a good thing) and the vampires Thirst (a bad thing). He could, unlike other vampires, not be bothered with Garelic, and walk in the day light, hence the term, "Daywalker".

"Daywalker" was later used in the South Park episode "Ginger Kids" where Eric "Cartman" Cartman did a class speech on Ginger Kids, or kids with red hair. In his speech he relates the Ginger Kids to Vampires. Cartman states that Ginger kids, who have freckles and fair skin, cannot spend much time in the sun, not unlike Vampires. He also goes onto say that the Ginger Gene is a disease known as "Gingervites". Also, in this speech, Cartman point out that there is a race of Ginger Kids who can walk in the sun longer than most Ginger Kids, and have little or no freckles and not as fair skin. These kids are known as the "Daywalkers".

Since the airing of this episode, the Ginger Kid/ Daywalker fade has continued. There are many groups on social sites, such as Facebook, that honour/ degrade Gingers/ Daywalkers.

--Eruhildo 07:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page seem to be a big target for vandalism. often times , it is connected to the South Park episode "Ginger Kids". It seems disgrunted red-haireded people are taking ofence to is, depsite this not being true, as Cartman only calls Kyle a "Daywalker", not all "Gingers" as is being infered by vandals. The episode is already mentioned on the page, and really only had a passing refrence in the south park episode, so any other mentioning of it is uneeded. I suggest we use reverts whenever this happens. (Animedude 04:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Reordering[edit]

Someone asked me why I reordered the list of Daywalkers and the only reason I did is that it wasn't in alphabetical order. Also groups and individuals should be kept separate unless a group over rules me. ≈ Seraph 22:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean by last name? I didn't notice that it is in order by last name until just now. I'm still pretty new to Wikipedia, so please excuse my blunders. --Eruhildo 07:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's cool. The list is weird coz loads of them only have one name then others have titles like Count Dracula.

I've been thinking, we should remove Drake (Blade: Trinity), he was Dracula he just took on a new name. ≈ Seraph 23:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree on the Drake thing, though maybe we should mention somewhere that he's the resurrected Dracula and have a link to the article on him. That way it won't be completely gone, but he won't be listed as a separate character either. --Eruhildo 20:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the movie out-and-out says "Drake is Dracula". It only states that he was "The first vampire", from which all the vampires in the Blade-iverse came from. (Animedude 04:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

This article assumes too much[edit]

"Daywalker" is a term from the Blade series; that's where it should stay. Expanding the term outside of Blade grants the term currency it doesn't have. Not all works of vampire fiction obey Blade's rules. To lump all sun-resistant vampires together as "Daywalkers" is a bit strange. After all, Dracula himself, by this article's definition, was a daywalker, but then so were all vampires in Stoker's vision. Akasha from "The Queen of the Damned" is a daywalker, but she didn't gain her resistance to sunlight through being a human/vampire hybrid. Serendi ^pod ous 18:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. In Tsukuyomi -Moon Phase- the term "daywalker" is used to describe vampires who are unharmed by the effects of sunlight. I think it's safe to say that it's being used quite far from the Blade universe. I've never seen South Park, but apparently "daywalker" is used at one point there as well, though in a different sense. Why must this term stay in the Blade universe when it is used outside of the blade universe? As for the second part of what you said: under the list of daywalkers it says, "Vampiric characters who are partially or fully immune to the effects of daylight, in a setting where daylight is usually fatal or detrimental to vampires." thus stating that "daywalker" doesn't apply to settings where daylight usually isn't detrimental to vampires. However, I think this should be better stated in the opening paragraph. --Eruhildo (talk) 02:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Rayne (from Bloodrayne) actually does burn when sunlight hits her. unicogirl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.123.65 (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other than the very brief definition (and maybe even that), this entire article constitutes original research. I mean, look at the Daywalker 2.0 section. Can anybody point to a use of the term "Daywalker 2.0" outside of this article? -Chunky Rice (talk) 12:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say it's entirely original research, though it definitely needs to be sourced better. In my opinion, the Daywalker 2.0 section should be merged into an appropriate article related to the Blade series. The List of Daywalkers section should probably be made into some sort of category. That leaves us with not very much. I think the article could easily be expanded though after more sources are found. I'll look for some when I have a bit more time. --Eruhildo (talk) 21:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Claire Haslam?[edit]

Who, exactly, is this person? No movie/comic/book verse is listed for this character, and a google search brings up nothing do to with vampires. Is this an original RP character or what? CounterfeitRedhead (talk) 02:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's called vandalism. It happens to this article a lot unfortunately. I reverted the edit. Thanks for noticing that - I usually keep up with that sort of stuff, but I missed it this time somehow. --Eruhildo (talk) 03:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]